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Originally posted by LiberLegit
And so moan the smug Atheist crowd. And so moan the jaded ex-Christians claiming their "prayers were never answered." I've had it with this "whoa is me" generation, constantly identifying with their own egos and wallowing in their self-pity. Suck it up people. Whether you believe in God or not, amazing things happen every single day - who or what caused it doesn't change the fact that it happens. People think different ways. Not everyone is some purpose driven life cloud riding Christian, and not everyone is some cynical know-it-all Atheist. Either way, who cares?
Again, prayer isn't some kind of charity by God, it isn't Christmas morning. Christian or not, most people have such a warped view on prayer.edit on 4-5-2012 by LiberLegit because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SoulReaper
reply to post by Unity_99
I'm afraid God does not allow you to define who he is and who he isn't. Like I said, you can choose to deny the true nature of the Alpha and Omega... but it is just that, your denial.
And look I completely understand that you can say the same thing back to me... that it is merely my flawed understanding declaring God to be otherwise.
There is a difficult Truth to behold which is foolishness to one who will not believe. I don't expect it to be appealing to you. I understand that it does not line up with your reason or logic or sense of self worth.
Only when you have forsaken building your own kingdoms here in this temporal existence can you truly look forward to the divine and eternal kingdom built without human hands.
This world must answer to one who is pure and holy. And for him to truly be pure and holy... all who come before him on that day of days who remain mired in imperfection will perish. For God will not allow anything that is corrupted to become one with him in eternal perfection. It is impossible. Which is why that which has become corrupted (and man in his flesh certainly has been) must be purified before entering into oneness with God. There is no other way. That which remains corrupted will indeed endure Gods Wrath in his righteous judgement.
I hope that you will one day see the light.
Souledit on 4-5-2012 by SoulReaper because: typo
Originally posted by jeantherapy
I am in the group of people that believe the power of prayer comes from the power of the mind, not an outside source. I think the mind can in some ways manipulate matter around you and each year more studies on the topic are published. Positive thoughts can have a good effect on your mind and in turn the world around you. I am so curious about why people are eager to give credit for their achievements to Jesus when they put in their own hard work. Like Jon Jones, I am sorry but I don't believe god created you for the express purpose of elbowing peoples' faces in - you put in all those hours training, studying, dieting.
Originally posted by TiM3LoRd
this feels like a troll thread to generate stars for everybody EXCEPT the OP lol
I'll just chime in some generic drivel about how god is great and how all powerful he is and the rest of the jesus sheep will hail stars on my comment too. wheeeeee. Just look at the first page.
So much back slapping its funny.
Originally posted by AGWskeptic
reply to post by XXXN3O
You're selling yourself short dude, no god changed your life, you did.
You took the steps you needed to change your life, you took action to change your circumstances.
Seriously dude, be proud of yourself, it's ok.
God wants us to pray for things we want, provided that God agrees that what we want is good for us. Disssatisfied?! You speak as though there are no evil spirits, as though you think that people just sit there and have everything arranged for them by God, well I'm sorry but it doesn't work like that. Ask and you will recieve. Seek and you will find. Knock and the door will be opened to you. Don't just sit there telling people that what they are doing is not cool, being considered cool is not our objective here, our works matter to God. I realize that many so-called Christians don't believe that their work is going to be judged, it's not as if they don't have a bible, they just don't believe that God gave them understanding of the scriptures so they turn to preachers who are taught by other men and then we can see that Jesus was right when he said that misunderstandings abound when you look for information from the wayside instead of the source. God doesn't play tug of war, either he agrees with what we ask for or he doesn't. When praying it is a very good thing to be as specific as possible. I have had prayers answered, from life and death prayers to headaches and missing snowpants, God cares about it all. Just because we don't understand why God does what he does it doesn't make him less powerful.
Originally posted by Shoonra
If you work hard to remember, yes, a lot of your prayers were answered. Not all, to be sure. And probably not the Really Big ones like grandma's cancer being cured, or you getting to marry Nicole Kidman. But a lot of minor league prayers were answered: You got a new softball, you got a new bike, you got something better than new underwear for Christmas, you passed a test, you got a date for the prom, you got a new job - maybe not THE job but a job, you got to third base with that redhead. OK, evanescent stuff. Like most Christmas toys, broken and forgotten within a week.
Some people make a virtual career out of asking God for things - and they're real specific about what they want. And, that's the point: It's always what they want, it's not necessarily what God wants. In fact, asking for stuff you don't have, for changes to your advantage, etc., is telling Him (in effect) that you are dissatisfied with the way He has already arranged things. Not cool. And if it's a tug of war between you and God, guess who wins!
Instead of asking for things, try asking for insight, try asking for the strength and wisdom to do the right thing - not necessarily to have things done your way but for you to do things God's way.
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