Five Pointed Palm Exploding Heart Technique

Originally posted by taibunsuu
What about that move on the movie "Five fingers of Death," where the dude had fingers conditioned so hard that he could just stab through your sternum and rib cage and impale your heart on his fingers?

This could happen its called a spear hand, but instead of going through the ribs you go UNDER them

I have studied Martial Arts for almost 40 years and although there are a lot of pressure points and a properly conditioned man can do some fantastic things the move on kill bill 2 I have never heard of

Here's a reference to what I was talking about above where people drop dead from sudden impact to the sternum in karate classes. It's a mirror of a New England Journal of Medicine article, and I've just posted the abstract only below.

Could this be possible as a way to kill with purpose? To strike someone with your hand or fist at just the right time to make their heart stop intentionally?

www.okinawan-shorinryu.com...

Abstract Background. Sudden death from cardiac arrest in a young person may occur during sports play after a blunt blow to the chest in the absence of structural cardiovascular disease or traumatic injury (cardiac concussion or commotio cordis). We studied the clinical features of this apparently uncommon but important phenomenon.
Methods. We identified cases from the registries of relevant agencies and organizations, as well as newsmedia accounts, and developed a clinical profile of 25 children and young adults, 3 to 19 years of age.
Results. Each victim collapsed with cardiac arrest immediately after an unexpected blow to the chest, which was usually inflicted by a projectile (such as a baseball or hockey puck). Incidents took place during organized competitive sports in 16 cases and in recreational settings at home, at school, or on the playground in 9. In each instance, the impact to the chest was not judged to be extraordinary for the sport involved and did not appear to have sufficient force to cause death. Twelve victims collapsed virtually instantaneously on impact, whereas 13 remained conscious and physically active for a brief time before cardiac arrest. Cardiopulmonary resuscitation was administered within about three minutes to 19 victims, but normal cardiac rhythm could be restored in only 2 (both incurred irreversible brain damage and died shortly thereafter). Seven victims (28 percent) were wearing some form of protective chest padding.
Conclusions. We speculate that most sudden deaths related to impact to the chest (not associated with traumatic injury) are due to ventricular dysrhythmia induced by an abrupt, blunt precordial blow, presumably delivered at an electrically vulnerable phase of ventricular excitability. This profile of blunt chest impact leading to cardiac arrest adds to our understanding of the range of causes of sudden death on the athletic field and may help in the development of preventive measures. (N Engl J Med 1995;333:337-42.)

reply to post by cimmerius

the movie your thinking of is Kiss Of The Dragon(a very good movie in my oppinon just under budget)

I actually believe there is such, and I would actually want to learn this move in case of an emergency. (life threatening situation) If you hear how to learn such a move, contact me at [email protected] thanks.

Years ago there was a documentary on television called East of Krakatoa. It was narrated by Richard Gere and told the story of two brothers journey sailing through the islands of Indonesia. One of the brothers got an eye infection and they took him to an Indonesian healer.

The healer was an accupuncture specialist with a twist. He used the needles but he augmented them by transferring chi from his own body to that of his patients through the accupuncture points. He had learned how to control his chi from a healer of an earlier generation who was deceased.

After treating the brother's eye, he talked for a while to them about his unusual abilities. He had developed an ability to create a high temperature within his body. One of the film crew was not able to keep her fingers on his stomach because it was so hot.

He said his skill was dangerous and could be used to kill people. To reinforce the point he rolled up a piece of newspaper and held his palm over it on the floor. His palm trembled for a few seconds and the newspaper burst into flames.

I think this kind of thing is involved with the martial arts technique known as "iron palm." The blow given sends a blast of chi into the vital organ of the victim.

Edit: To correct the title of the documentary cited.

[edit on 18-11-2008 by ipsedixit]

In 1991 I had a friend whose dad said he knew this technique from when he was in the French Foreign Legion. As a Legionnaire they were in many secret deadly situations where they could be caught by the enemy and kept in POW camps. He said that the Five point exploding heart technique was taught to them to use on each other or themselves when threatened by death or to divulge the Legions secrets to the enemy. My friends dad then told us to put on our coats, get into the back of the truck and shut up. He drove to this place where there was a bunch of park benches by a lake. He woke up the bum on the bench and did the technique to him. The guy started to run off, but after five steps he fell on his face and rolled down into the lake.

This is from a student of Isshinryu karate-do and pressure point attacks. IT'S IT'S HOLLYWOODHOLLYWOOD. That being said from my studies, everyone has the flight or fight response or in martial arts it's known as Bodily Alarm Reaction. BAR=Palms get sweaty, forehead and face gets sweaty, tunnel vision,body gets flooded with adrenalin,dexterity changes or gets sloppy,etc. That being said unless your as fast as Bruce Lee or Jet Li, in a fight you will have trouble picking out individual pressure points. I've also learned that at least +/- 10% are what's called non-responders. They don't respond to pressure point attacks. I've been told or trained that the best way is to look at my katas, take the individual techniques and prepatory moves, apply them to my attacker then find out what points that there attacking. Sometimes Blunt force trama is the only way to go. If you think that by training in any dojo that your going to be able to pick an individual point like Xena or something you've never been in a fight. That being said I've found that my studies in martial arts and pressure points have somehow(which sometimes I find completly wierd) has steered me into the medical field.
I've have become interested in Anatomy, Acupressure, etc.

After saying all that I would like to say a little rant. Please ,Hollywood, stop putting non-martial artists, white actors in action movies and then training them for a particular movie and then calling them martial artists. Why not use real martial artist, they can be white, black, asian, native american, I don't care just use real martial artists.

If Brandon Lee had lived wouldn't it had been cool to have been the star of the Matrix instead of Keanu Reeves.

And I do think that Kill Bill 1&2 is one of the coolest martial arts movie, samurai flicks I've ever seen.

Has anyone seen the trailers for Street Fighter.

For those who want the reality. NatGeo has a good series called fight science, I think, where they show the anatomy and stuff it's really good.

Hey! You guys should check out this video. Its about an ancient secret style of martial arts that uses pressure points to kill. This guy is demonstrating on tv.





[edit on 25-2-2009 by DaMod]

i'm going back to the very first post, yes the Five Pointed Palm Exploding Heart Technique would be possible to do if you could hit hard enough and accurate enough to cut off all blood flow to and from the heart, and the reason it would 'explode' is because the pressure inside the heart would be so high do to it trying to beat the blood around the body it would just explode, because the force on the inside would be much great than the force on the outside of the heart

If a muay thai kick in the chest from a clinch isn't enough to make a heart explode I really can't see what you can do with a palm that would... I mean it sounds pretty fictive in first place but even though it would be a real actual attack/discipline into any type of combat form I really don't think there's anything you can do with a palm that can apply enough pressure to cause this reaction if a knee straight into the chest can't...

Bruce Lee's 1" punch?

Just sayin' ...



P.s. How does this thread even get found in the archives, Lolz

Im sure Dim Mak could be pretty scary, but I prefer .45 ACP Hydra-Shok (reduced recoil). Maybe more messy, but at least I dont have to get close to or touch ( yech) the zombies.....

Originally posted by plasmaspatz
i'm going back to the very first post, yes the Five Pointed Palm Exploding Heart Technique would be possible to do if you could hit hard enough and accurate enough to cut off all blood flow to and from the heart, and the reason it would 'explode' is because the pressure inside the heart would be so high do to it trying to beat the blood around the body it would just explode, because the force on the inside would be much great than the force on the outside of the heart

Then why does a heart keep beating and doesn't explode after being removed from a human body it has no circulation anymore.

13-year-old dies after being hit by pitch.

The pitcher had to have alot of chi to be able to do this.

reply to post by Jetman44


or blunt force trauma

Then why does a heart keep beating and doesn't explode after being removed from a human body it has no circulation anymore.

the heart keeps beating because around the heart all muscles the create the rhythm of the heart beat, but as they lose the blood that is in them they stop beating the heart

So Dim Mak does work?

probably yes, but as i said, only if you could hit hard enough and accurate enough, might test it on a ballistic gel torso