Student's 'Jesus' shirt sparks feud with school

Originally posted by MidnightTide

I wouldn't have my child to go to a school like that. The kid just wants to express himself, to express his thoughts, beliefs and religion.

How old is your child?

I'm kind of on my third generation. I raised mine - - and helped raise my now 18 year old grandson.

I'm now helping raise my 4 year old grandson and 12 year old granddaughter.

I've had lots of practice.

Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Kang69
. . . It's not like he's offending anyone, and if your offended by letters on a t shirt,

Did you bother to read the article?

People complained.

So if people complained, it warrants infringing on the teenagers right to expression/speech?

Again, by your logic, right to marriage for gays should be banned...because people complained.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Even though God believers want to think it does.

Im all for abolishing religion but that will all be in good time. This dude should be able to advertise whichever religion he wants in any way he wants as long as he isnt causing disturbance other than someones poor little feelings. Satan worshipping should be allowed to be represented in every way that christianity is too. Satan is God and God is Satan. God is omnipotent and therefore he created satan to serve his will therefore satan is a representation of gods will because angels were not given free will right? anyway I dont see the fuss if he wants to be a tool let him he has a right to show the world his beliefs as long as he isnt harrassing people

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by DrChuck

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Kang69
. . . It's not like he's offending anyone, and if your offended by letters on a t shirt,

Did you bother to read the article?

People complained.

So if people complained, it warrants infringing on the teenagers right to expression/speech?

Again, by your logic, right to marriage for gays should be banned...because people complained.

One has nothing to do with the other.

Even though God believers want to think it does.

In the context of this argument, of course it does!

Both issues address the RIGHTs of people and whether those rights should be preserved when others complain.

Originally posted by Starchild23
It's not a gang slogan

Yes, it is.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by Annee

 

There were complaints because he was expressing an opinion that was distasteful to a politically correct school afraid of censure.

He decided to voice his beliefs, spreading love and worship, which is completely harmless, instead of being a fearful sheep. Is there something wrong with this?

Some schools do allow students to wear "self expression" T-shirts.

Christians have tried to ban Pro Gay shirts.

Christians don't get it that not everyone welcomes Jesus.

Another shining example of why tolerance and acceptance are failed doctrines.

Did you know the First Amendment only applies to Congress? The States can legally declare themselves Christian Republics. In-fact most of the Original 13 States were Christian Republics that only allowed the freedom to worship Christianity or Judaism.

But in all seriousness this violates California's law's in regards to discrimination(which are the strictest in the in the Union) and seems eerily similar to the atheist teacher in California who knocked 5(or was it 1) points off of students grades if they uttered the phrase "God bless you" if someone in the class room sneezed.


If you examined the histories, there always seems to be a percentage of psychopathic zealots that liked to persecute people who believed differently then them. Now that it is acceptable to be an atheist, the number of Christian Zealots has dropped to all but a handful while the ranks of atheist zealots has swelled. Remember, the concept of burning a witch alive started in Pagan Rome, and it seems atheists are continuing the practice in spirit only(but many atheist openly write about longing to butcher Christians by the millions).

Originally posted by korathin

Did you know the First Amendment only applies to Congress? The States can legally declare themselves Christian Republics. In-fact most of the Original 13 States were Christian Republics that only allowed the freedom to worship Christianity or Judaism.

I definitely remember the 50s when there were no real laws to combat Christianity or housing discrimination.

I now go by legal cases won against Christian control.

States rights? Not if Federal trumps them. Disability Act - Civil Rights Act - Fair Housing Act - etc.

reply to post by korathin


According to what source are atheist's numbers swelling? And what has you believe that Christian's numbers are waning? This is a total fabrication and just hearing someone say something so dumb is annoying as hell. Atheists aren't suddenly surging in numbers, its simply that the small population in this country (US) is exercising their right to be just as vocal and forward in their viewpoints as so many Christians are. How many atheist houses of non-god do you see on the road? How many centuries have you seen atheists factions of the non-god church mobilize armies and lead crusades and have their motto printed on currency? If anything Christianity has become mainstream the last ten fifteen years and thats what has atheists taking a bit of a stand these days. I for one am glad. In my experience many of these younger Christians are quite obnoxious and entitled and...blind. They're blind because as far as I can see, they really aren't interested in being spiritual, they're concerned with being on a side, and feeling entitled to be on the side thats winning. Thats why charity is a sham too. If you want to help the less fortunate, just do it. Be abstract about it, help the first person you see. Or, skip that person and run to your charity organization and help the groups you want to help......meh...

I don't call myself atheist, but I'm definitely not a Christian in the popular sense of the word, and I'm glad about that. Im also glad that you're a glide.

reply to post by flyJoseph


I am a Christian and I must say...you make a very good point. This generation joins the religion for all the wrong reasons. They want to appear a certain way, they want to judge others, and they want others to see them doing good so they can feel better about themselves. I wish people spent less time bashing mainstream Christianity and spent more time realizing that most of it now is trash. The churches, the giant sermons, the music - all trash.

reply to post by Annee

Don't even try to "yank my chain" - - that Christians are all A'OK with freedom of expression - - - that they don't approve of.

1) You feel it's okay to deny a Christian student in Nova Scotia his "freedom of expression" because others claim they were offended by it.

2) You feel it's NOT okay to deny an atheist student in Tennessee her "freedom of expression" because school administrators felt it might offend others. The article she DID write for the year book DID offend Christians! I'm sure you feel that's okay though.

3) You feel it's okay when Dan Savage exercises his "freedom of expression" to INTENTIONALLY offend Christians.

Because of your bias regarding "freedom of expression", you are no different than those you complain about!

I feel that YOU are the one that is doing the chain yankin' around here!

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by JohnnyCanuck


I didn't research that out as well as I should have. It was not a by-law, but rather a ruling by a judge that was later overturned. I had heard about the ruling but not about it being overturned so, thank you for the comment.

Toronto judge has banished a Christmas tree "Christian symbol" might alienate people of other faiths

This was not a by-law but rather a ruling by a judge that was later overturned in 2006.

View Postnormanchateau, on Dec 14 2006, 06:37 PM, said:
Last year Wal-Mart staff were not allowed to wish shoppers a Merry Christmas. People complained and this year Wal-Mart staff can wish customers a Merry Christmas.

Why did Wal-Mart change their position? Because the number of Christians complaining about being wished Happy Holidays last year was far greater than the number of Muslims and Jews offended by being wished a Merry Christmas in previous years.



The poor Toronto judge is about to discover that Canada has no shortage of cry babies.

reply to post by BenReclused



Let them express themselves outside of school. And by the way - if another kid wore an 'I support gay marriage' t-shirt, I'd bet good money the jesus one would be screaming bloody murder.

Funny how double standards are allowed in religion.

reply to post by flyJoseph


I more or less agree with your post. I'm just replying to give you the data. (Sorry, I can't seem to figure out how to link PDFs so it'll be to the US Census page.) The growth can be seen in both the US Census data and in the ARIS surveys. Those who self-identify as atheist or without religion have grown in the past 22 years from approximately 14.3 million in 1990 to approximately 37.1 million today vastly outpacing all other religious identifications.

Wow, this makes me embarrassed to be a maritimer.... Stupidity on the school's part, nitpicking on what opinions are allowed to be expressed is ridiculous. As long as it's not violent or pornographic, who gives a crap who it offends? What kind of message does this send to kids? What a bunch of whining little pussies, crying over a tshirt like that..... What is the world coming to, where we can't even wear a tshirt without offending someone? And worse yet, that wimps can't be offended, without appealing to some authority to have it stopped......Might as well ban all shirts that have any writing or artwork on it.

"Life is wasted without Jesus"

Amen:

Originally posted by Garfee
reply to post by BenReclused

 

Let them express themselves outside of school. And by the way - if another kid wore an 'I support gay marriage' t-shirt, I'd bet good money the jesus one would be screaming bloody murder.

So according to your logic, such pro-gay t-shirt will also cause controversy and thus may be banned on school grounds just as a Jesus shirt. Let them express themselves outside of school, am I right?

reply to post by Maslo


Exactly. I see no reason why school kids should be wearing inflamatory or provocative slogans or pictures on their clothing.

You do?

reply to post by Sablicious


What did you think that picture would be considered controversial to believers when you posted it? It's not. It really represents the truth. Just as I feel compassion and mercy for the reptilians and greys that have abducted me for years. Although I know that many factions are acting out very sinister actions. I'm also a firm believer that is even compassionate towards demon, exactly as Christ was. If you I'm misunderstanding your intentions then please explain what it is your trying to get across with this?

More and more I see that people have just never met a follower of Christ teachings and think that all the religious nuts make up the body of Christ. I have news for you..many of those folks are just religious and that's it and you can be religious about many things. For instance you could be religious about brushing your teeth or keeping your car clean and go around preaching that others should do the same. This type of mentally has nothing to do with following Jesus.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
reply to post by Annee

 

religion isn't. there shouldn't be a problem with wearing a tee shirt that has a non threatening message unless you're terribly insecure.

Speaking of insecurity, if christians loved their god and religion so much they wouldn't have to make/wear shirts that promote it. The message it gives is that you need everyone else to validate your beliefs. Why not just believe, be content with your view point of life and wear a normal tee-shirt to school?

*mind boggling*

reply to post by SearchLightsInc


I think they found out that Islam is the fastest growing Religion and they want to advertise more to get converts