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Originally posted by ProudBird
reply to post by jpzaino
I went to have a look at this website that you linked. (In the post I am replying to).
It is nonsense.
This is the "headline":...and hyperlink:
Chemtrails Produced by Aviation Fuel Laced With Trimethylaluminum
SO, the main "point" (I snickered when I wrote "point") is about this "trimethylaluminum" being "laced" into Jet A1 (layman's term, "jet fuel").
Go ahead....read the Wiki article on (I write as 'TMA'). Take your time.......
If you will note, this IS the substance by NASA in rockets that were launched last month (or was it in March)that went OUT of our atmosphere......out of the air part of our atmosphere, into space....the ionosphere.
Here, read about the NASA ATREX mission.
In the NASA article they (unfortunately) use a common term, "jet stream". I say 'unfortunately', because most people associate that term with the stratospheric-level jet stream....winds, made of air, that occur from the tropopause, and above....so, 23,000 to 52,000 feet typically (depending on latitude).
(You should read all about it, and grasp the knowledge for future edification).
And, NO!! TMA is not added to Jet A1 aviation fuel!!
Here, these are the specs on Jet A1:
Aviation turbine fuels (jet fuels) are manufactured predominantly from straight run kerosines which normally require further treatment to meet the specification requirements.
There are VERY stringent tests and limits on what can be added to aviation fuels....not only for the most obvious reason (safety, number one), but because of the way the fuel will perform, and how it will affect the engine components, the fuel pumps, the filters, ALL of the fuel system and power-plant functions on an airplane.
Here, from Wiki, ALL of the additives in jet fuel:
I don't see TMA listed there.
Finally, a little bit aviation ground school:
IF this substance (TMA) which as a component includes atoms of a metal (aluminum) where included in the fuel??
Firstly, it would alter the weight and density substantially....and EVERY airline or corporate pilot would notice!!
Secondly, well....again, this is a metal we are talking about.....and, besides likely clogging the fuel filters, once it got to the engines, where the combustion temps are in the range of, or exceed, about 2,000°? What happens to aluminum at that temp? The atoms of aluminum would NOT just "come out in the exhaust".....they would, from the heat, they would tend to deposit on, and coat, the turbine blades. This would lead to engine failure.
Have you heard what happens when a jet accidentally flies through a volcanic cloud? In that case, engine failure happens quickly because even thin amounts of the volcanic particles, when ingested by the engines, go through th combustion and melt, and then coat the turbine blades.
(A secondary effect is in the compressor turbine section, where they have an erosive quality).
Why Can't Planes Fly Through Volcanic Ash?
OK....? Get it?
Originally posted by IpsissimusMagus
reply to post by flyswatter
What subject are you talking about?
He may be more knowledgeable than you.
But he certainly is not more than knowledgeable than me on the subject of chemtrails.
How would you know if he is or isn't more knowledgeable than me?
From 2 posts in this thread?
One thing is for sure. You are obviously NOT knowledgeable about this subject at all.
LOL, I just noticed this is your very first post.
How do you know PB so well?
Welcome back Weedwhackeredit on 5/3/2012 by IpsissimusMagus because: (no reason given)
When you live at the beach in California, where is the western airport from which they perform the east/west spraying?
Originally posted by jpzaino
I just noticed it takes about 10secs before you can actually see the plane spraying his Deadly chemtrail mixture of Aluminum and Boron
Here is a link to what is actually in these things.. Thanks
www.kipnews.org... -produced-by-aviation-fuel-laced-with-trimethylaluminum/edit on 3-5-2012 by jpzaino because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ignorant_ape
reply to post by network dude
further - how does your alledged jet fuel " laced " with TMA produce a boron / aliuminium aledged chemtrail ???
I think the chemtrails are cloud seeds to create clouds to block the sun in an attempt to combat global warming.
Originally posted by TheTardis
The funny thing that most people are missing here while trying to explain strange patterns in these contrails is the military. Do you think that Air Gard pilots, Navy Pilots, Air Force Pilots just sit at a desk during the day? I assure you that most of the time they are out flying. They do training maneuvers all over the place, they do all kinds of tandem flying and running mach drills and they will make some pretty crazy looking contrails sometimes and a lot of times they do this over populated areas because they are not performing dangerous maneuvers. They are just training runs, follow set flight plans, or doing who knows what. They have to practice, they have to stay sharp and they live near you. Bottom line though is that not all of these figure 8's or trails heading or coming from odd directions are commercial. The military doesn't usually fly the same rout's that your average 747 is on.
....and most of the "holding" patterns I've witnessed have the planes flying circles around the airfield, not figure 8's...