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Armored gunman, 4 people dead in Arizona shooting

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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:50 PM
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I don't see where it saying anything about the granddaughter being of mixed races. If it was about that then I'm sure we would've seen this happen earlier.

Also, what indicates that he was crazy to the point of killing his whole family? Maybe something to do with meth psychosis, but there isn't anything to back that up.

Edit: if you assume is he crazy because he is a neo-nazi, then isn't it more likely he would go on a non-white killing spree ?
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Phoenix is an inferno of bigotry, fueled by drugs, and perpetuated by prison. Everything is so interconnected it's hard to believe a sensible solution exists to turn the tide. I feel bad for those that seek protection within their own "groups" just to later find out they are the true predators they should have been cautious of. Kinfolks kill kinfolks, peckerwoods kill peckerwoods, and so on and so on. People push heroin to pass the time in the pen, then get out and try to kick it by moving to meth. Such a sad cycle.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:55 PM
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I don't think he had any ties to neo-nazis but then again you can't trust the Southern Poverty Law Center. According to them even church's are considered hate groups.
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by MeesterB


Also, what indicates that he was crazy to the point of killing his whole family? Maybe something to do with meth psychosis, but there isn't anything to back that up.

Edit: if you assume is he crazy because he is a neo-nazi, then isn't it more likely he would go on a non-white killing spree ?


What makes me think he was crazy was he apparently killed members of his family before committing suicide.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Heres one of his profile pictures. From whitenationalist.org




And his church was Mormon. He joined them with the Pearce.

blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com...

en.wikipedia.org...



Pearce was also criticized for his association with white supremacist J.T. Ready.[25] Pearce endorsed Ready for Mesa City Council in 2006[26] and appeared with him at several rallies. In 2004 Pearce was photographed attending J.T Ready's baptism into the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). Church documents reveal that Pearce ordained J.T. Ready into the LDS priesthood.[27] Pearce has since claimed he was unaware of Ready's neo-Nazi affiliations at the time he made the endorsement.[28]

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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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Thats doubtful. The Southern Poverty Law Center is behind many controversial cases, they are busy hacking away at state laws and the constitution.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by stanguilles7

Originally posted by MeesterB


Also, what indicates that he was crazy to the point of killing his whole family? Maybe something to do with meth psychosis, but there isn't anything to back that up.

Edit: if you assume is he crazy because he is a neo-nazi, then isn't it more likely he would go on a non-white killing spree ?


What makes me think he was crazy was he apparently killed members of his family before committing suicide.


Just entertain the idea for a second that some other group did it, and that the official story is a cover up. This is ATS after all, and the MSM is often railed for being unreliable and a tool of TPTB.

Edit: maybe the FB page was just to save face, but with his whole family killed... does it matter?

His FB page said a drug cartel may have been responsible, and then the page was apparently taken down. If the official story makes sense to you then eat it up.
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:04 PM
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Oh I came across a blog a while ago, it was the nazi national socialist party and it's members were discussing the occupy protests and where of the consensus that they would not wear any of their nazi stuff and attend and support the protests, because while they were against groups like the black panthers they were all for socialism. So I guess I will not rule that out.

BUt yeah, same guy from the occupy protest with the AR. So was he militia? Probably not if he was a national socialist. Interesting.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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Oh that picture with the Border Patrol. DHS, this is where it gets really tricky.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:08 PM
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Originally posted by MeesterB

Just entertain the idea for a second that some other group did it, and that the official story is a cover up. This is ATS after all, and the MSM is often railed for being unreliable and a tool of TPTB.


Random Speculation is not a theory. I am not 'eating anything up'. But I am not engaging in random speculation, either, which is what you are suggesting.

We can go on the info available at the moment. Your theory is plausible, but not supported by any evidence yet. Dig up some evidence and it can be a 'theory'.


His FB page said a drug cartel may have been responsible, and then the page was apparently taken down. If the official story makes sense to you then eat it up.


Where has that been reported? Screenshots?



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:14 PM
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tucsoncitizen.com...

Oh well, time will tell i suppose



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Man this is a confusing story. Anyways nice find op.
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:21 PM
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Interesting. Thanks for that. Its certainly plausible that cartels killed him and his family given his past-times.

Although some guy posting a comment on faceborg about 'unconfirmed sources' saying something does little to move me.

Indeed more will be coming out...



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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I don't know why people would be surprised the killer would have associations with groups based on anger / paranoia / etc.

Sorry but normal, mentally balanced people don't usually join the neo Nazi's. As Hitler and his little group of thugs quickly found out, there is a powerful, cult like bond a lot of people find attractive when they're told it's OK to blame and hate specific groups of people based on race or beliefs, combined with a touch of violence / dark sexuality and the perception of being "special" by being part of a small, exclusive group.

This might be a human response to the small clan / village origin of our civilization. The same basic mechanism has been used by people to obtain power all throughout history - the crusades, the modern Islamic Jihad, white / black / Hispanic supremacy, etc.

I don't want to blame the groups for creating the monster, however. The monster was there before he joined the group and was probably attracted to them as part of his psychosis. Not that it matters to the Neo Nazi's much, just like the old fashioned kind they no doubt realize they need a special type of person to carry out the "agenda".



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:46 PM
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No doubt he was a racist to me after this video.



And heres how Fox News can distort what a person is when they do a interview with them. Where are the questions about his Nazi ties? I guess they wanted him to be a hero running for office.


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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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phoenixinsurgent.blogspot.com...



In 1996, Ready, then a lance corporal and rifleman with the 1st Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion at Camp Pendleton, Calif., was tried at a special courtmartial where he was found guilty of unauthorized absence, failure to follow an order or regulation, and larceny and wrongful appropriation, according to 1st Lt. Rob Dolan, a Marine Corps. spokesman in Quantico, Va.

Dolan said Ready was absent without authorization for eight days.

He served three months in confinement, forfeited $581 per month in pay for three months and was demoted to private.

Later that year, he was brought up on even more serious charges — conspiracy, assault and wrongful solicitation and advice.

He was found guilty at a general court-martial, served six months in confinement and received a bad conduct discharge.


Criminal record from the military but he was running for sheriff and allowed to run around the border chasing people with firearms?
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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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I wonder what king of antidepressants he was on?
That would totally make sense.We hear of people losing it in this manner and most of them are indeed medicated by a trained professional to control depression.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 12:18 AM
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Full repost of the article .. source from OP.. for future tracking purposes & ATS investigations.. (something doesn't feel right)... the shooting happened at 1pm.. this article was reposted as a update .. anyone got the original ??


By Isolde Raftery, msnbc.com

Updated at 9:20 p.m. ET: A man equipped with several firearms and body armor killed four people, including a toddler, on Wednesday in Gilbert, Ariz., authorities told azcentral.com. They believe he then killed himself.

J. T. Ready, a neo-Nazi and member of the Minutemen Civil Defense Corps, was among the dead, according to azcentral.com. It is unclear what role he played in the shootings.

Sergeant Bill Balafas told msnbc.com that he could not confirm whether Ready was even among the dead or if the crime was a murder-suicide. He said police are still identifying the dead.

"There were a few weapons in the house and we don't know if there was a gun battle or if it was a murder-suicide," Balafas said.

The shooting took place after 1 p.m.

Down the street from where the shooting took place, neighbor Lieselotte Senge said she heard a loud boom around 1 p.m. and stepped out onto her stoop to see where it came from.

“All of a sudden I saw all of the police cars,” Senge told msnbc.com. They were in the garage of a woman who Senge said had a daughter and infant granddaughter.

On arrival, first responders believed the toddler, who was between one and 2-years-old, showed signs of life. She was transported to a children’s hospital but was pronounced dead on arrival, Balafas said.

Two handguns and a shotgun were recovered from the crime scene. Balafas said investigators had obtained a search warrant Wednesday evening and a bomb squad was sweeping the house for precautionary reasons.

Law enforcement agents had been nervous about Ready, according to a 2010 story by the Associated Press. He led a militia group that focused on nabbing undocumented immigrants and drug traffickers along the Mexican border. He was also heavily armed and a self-proclaimed neo-Nazi.

“These are explicit Nazis,” Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Intelligence Project told the AP. “These are people who wear swastikas on their sleeves.”

In Gilbert, a city of 208,000 southeast of Phoenix, neighbor Senge watched as school children had been escorted to their homes by police officers. The shooting had taken place three doors down from her house, at a bend in the road where Tumbleweed Road becomes Monteray Street.

She said it’s a nice neighborhood of single-family homes where neighbors, apart from the occasional wave, mostly keep to themselves.



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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 12:22 AM
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Originally posted by GD21D
Why would he wear body armor if he was going to commit suicide? Some things just don't make sense. It may be coincidence, but it just seems odd. I just seem to notice oddities in these extremist stories, or foiled bomb plots.


Because you can be shot in the leg or arm and jailed for the rest of your life if you can't do yourself in. That didn't require too much thinking on my part.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by GD21D
Why would he wear body armor if he was going to commit suicide? Some things just don't make sense. It may be coincidence, but it just seems odd. I just seem to notice oddities in these extremist stories, or foiled bomb plots.


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