Acclamation...The RNC's Answer To Ron Paul Mischief

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


If RP does win its going to be a slow four years.. Time and again RP is the lone vote, do you really think as president hes going to have more votes? Everything he attempts will be put to a stop by both the right and the left.

Originally posted by hoochymama
Just for clarification, I believe the old hag who is the Speaker asked if there were any Nays. I didnt hear any. Also, I HIGHLY DOUBT Ron Paul will be the one calling for it. I would think Hillary holds a little more clout than Boehner.

Yes, she did ask for Nays...she didn't wait for a response and went right ahead and declared Obama the nominee. Why did she do that??? Because there was a small portion of Hillary delegates that would have objected...she didn't give them a chance.

The same would happen if this happens at the RNC.

I never said Ron Paul would call for Acclamation (if I did it was a mistake)...it will be a big name in the Republican party...it may be Santorum or Gingrich...maybe both of them...hell maybe all the previous candidates besides Ron Paul will do it as a group.

Boehner will be the chair person...he will have the final say.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Your missing one thing. I would bet there were Clinton delegates at that Convention. And I would bet there will be RP delegates at there Convention. Now, can you understand that point?? Those RP delegates will be WAYYYY louder than any LOUDSPEAKER OR ROMNEY CROWD!!! Sorry, thats a fact jack.

No they simply wont be.
They will be seated where they are told, and only if they are a delegate. No other Ron Paul supporters will be present. They will be seated scattered about way in the back and the Front will be packed with full on Romney delegates and GOP guests of each state, all loyal to the GOP party, not to Ron Paul. It will be a controlled environment where the Paul backers will be highly outnumbered and like fish out of water.

This is the big leagues, the minor leaguers are in for an education on stacking the deck in your favor in politics.

reply to post by TinfoilTP

Where Ron Paul takes the stage and graciously offers his support to the nominee, Mitt Romney, thus fulfilling his role.

Funny you should mention this...because it is a possibility. No Paul supporter will admit it, but Ron Paul desperately wants a prime speaking part at the convention.

So the RNC can simply strike a deal...Endorse Romney and you can have your speaking position.


And yes, the reaction would be priceless.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Im glad I brought that up for you but I dont think that will EVER happen. Hillary was very close to Obama but at that time the Party was United. I dont think the Party is United around Romney. Totally different.

You must not have paid attention to the Democratic Primary in 2008.

The party was anything but united...there was a huge divide among the Obama and Hillary supporters...that was the whole point of Hillary calling for acclamation herself.

Ron Paul has wanted a prime speaking part at the convention since 2008...he may just make a deal for that spot.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher
This will not happen.

Hillary had quite a bit of delegates at that Convention not just "a few" and with her making that announcement the way she did, it basically made her delegates "cheer" like little school girls. RP's delegates will not do that.

reply to post by gwydionblack


I honestly think you are overestimating the size of the Ron Paul crowd at the convention.

And Acclamation just happened in 2008 with the Dems...why can't it happen with the RNC?

You seem a bit worried about this possibility....manipulating the rules are a bitch aren't they...can't really complain when that is your own strategy.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

This will not happen.

Hillary had quite a bit of delegates at that Convention not just "a few" and with her making that announcement the way she did, it basically made her delegates "cheer" like little school girls. RP's delegates will not do that.

Lets see all the Republican governers will be there, all the Republican State level representatives and Senators from all 50 States will be there. How many of them got elected running on a Ron Paul ticket? Where is their loyaly for reelection? It will be for the GOP not Ron Paul. The GOP backs all those people and in return they are loyal Party members. Just those elected guests alone will far outnumber any Ron Paul delegates voices, voices who will have no screeming Paul fanatics to overun a gathering with.

reply to post by TinfoilTP
Again, what was the Hard Delegate count again?? What was the "Soft" Delegate count?? Whats the possibility of RP having more delegates than Governers at the GOP Convention??

reply to post by TinfoilTP


The PEOPLE have been privy to these conventions for the past many years. Any and all who will have any desire to be watching, will know enough to know exactly how the thing works.

And as for a "united party" - the difference between this and Obama / Hilary convention is the fact that Hilary ceded the vote to Obama well beforehand in the name of party unity. Ron Paul has no intentions and no indication of ceding any vote to or support towards Romney, and he has no need to - because the majority of those delegates who will be at that convention, be them bound to Romney, Santorum, Gingrich, or Paul himself - WILL BE RON PAUL SUPPORTERS.

There is no way in HELL they are going to let it go down without a fight and if acclamation is called they will deny the call as you can with any convention rules. If it somehow gets accomplished, you can bet your ass that they will be loud as all hell with the nays and will not let it go without a fight. It will be nothing like the dog and pony show that was the DNC in 2008.



reply to post by OutKast Searcher



It is not up to the sole discretion of a few men to make the decisions at this convention, regardless of what you may thing. Thus is the reason for the rules. According to your OP, it takes two men to suspend the rules... sorry.

As stated in the Official GOP 2008 Convention Rules.

RULE NO. 32 Suspension of Rules A motion to suspend the rules shall always be in order, but only when made by authority of a majority of the delegates from any state and seconded by a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more other states severally.

So, six state majorities of delegates must first agree on a suspension of the rules. Not just "One Romney supporter and than another." That is your first problem. With all the delegates that will be Ron Paul supporters, this might be a little more difficult than one would imagine.

Not to mention the fact that, as I said, you compare this to a convention where a nominee ceded the election prior to the convention and assume that all will "go quietly" if acclamation were attempted. This is ridiculous to even imagine, and I hardly doubt that there would be enough support willing to see the giant debacle it would create should they choose to even attempt such a route with such a split delegation.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

This will not happen.

Hillary had quite a bit of delegates at that Convention not just "a few" and with her making that announcement the way she did, it basically made her delegates "cheer" like little school girls. RP's delegates will not do that.

But Romney delegates will cheer.

And if Santorum or Gingrich are the ones that call for acclamation....their supporters will cheer too. Of course this would all be planned out and all the supporters and attendees will be instructed to cheer as loud as they can so nothing can be heard clearly after the call of acclamation.

There will be thousands of people there...between 40,000 and 45,000. Even if Ron Paul has 1000 supporters there as delegates or alternates....they won't be noticed among 44,000 other people cheering.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Again, what was the Hard Delegate count again?? What was the "Soft" Delegate count?? Whats the possibility of RP having more delegates than Governers at the GOP Convention??

He has zero chance of having the majority of the 40,000 to 45,000 people at the convention.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

Again, what was the Hard Delegate count again?? What was the "Soft" Delegate count?? Whats the possibility of RP having more delegates than Governers at the GOP Convention??

Zero chance

Because each state has dozens of GOP House of representative and senators, plus national representatives and senators plus former elected GOP guests. They will all want to express the will of their respective counties or states, hardly any of which Ron Paul won in the elections. They will outnumber all the delegates total combined for the whole of the GOP.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher


There is next to zero percent chance that the delegates, supportive of Ron Paul, would ever allow for a suspension of the rules have followed them to a tee so far.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

There is next to zero percent chance that the delegates, supportive of Ron Paul, would ever allow for a suspension of the rules have followed them to a tee so far.

These are the rules. They have no control the Party chairman has total control. They have zero to say about it.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


It is the delegates themselves that have to vote to suspend the rules.

If they don't, then they can get all the governors and senators they want and it won't matter worth a damn.

Ron Paul has been accumulating delegates like no tomorrow. It is ridiculous. Romney delegates are Ron Paul delegates. Santorum delegates are Ron Paul delegates. Each state where the final "truth" has come out, Ron Paul has shown to have the majority of delegates.

Therefore, the delegates WILL NOT vote to suspend the rules and therefore acclamation will not even be possible.

reply to post by gwydionblack

There is no way in HELL they are going to let it go down without a fight and if acclamation is called they will deny the call as you can with any convention rules.

If Acclamation is called...it only needs a "second" to proceed.

It is not up to the sole discretion of a few men to make the decisions at this convention, regardless of what you may thing. Thus is the reason for the rules. According to your OP, it takes two men to suspend the rules... sorry.

Um...yeah...it kind of is in control of the party leaders. That is why people have been shaking their heads at the naivity of Paul supporters.

It will all be done by voice vote if it comes down to it...and Boenher, no matter what the response is, will pass the motion.

Maybe you should go re-watch the 2008 DNC video...it happened in a matter of minutes...they didn't go around and cast votes. Hillary called for it, Pelosi asked for a second, there was a cheer...she asked for all in favor, loud cheer...she very very quickly ask for those opposed and declared it passed without waiting for a response. Done deal.


You think this is ridiculous...and yet you just think the entire RNC and loyal Republicans are just going to sit quietly if Ron Paul tries to manipulate the rules in his favor??? No...they will fight back using this...and there isn't a damn thing Paul or his supporters can do about it besides cry the next day.

Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to post by TinfoilTP

 

It is the delegates themselves that have to vote to suspend the rules.

If they don't, then they can get all the governors and senators they want and it won't matter worth a damn.

Ron Paul has been accumulating delegates like no tomorrow. It is ridiculous. Romney delegates are Ron Paul delegates. Santorum delegates are Ron Paul delegates. Each state where the final "truth" has come out, Ron Paul has shown to have the majority of delegates.

Therefore, the delegates WILL NOT vote to suspend the rules and therefore acclamation will not even be possible.

The chairman will follow the existing rules and call for acclamation. It was all spelled out for you by the OP Outkast already.

reply to post by TinfoilTP


What are you even talking about?

Have you even read the GOP Convention Rules? I have? Let me list it for you again as I have above to let you smoke on that.

RULE NO. 32 Suspension of Rules A motion to suspend the rules shall always be in order, but only when made by authority of a majority of the delegates from any state and seconded by a majority of the delegates from each of five (5) or more other states severally.

Outkast himself said in the OP that they must suspend the rules in order to have acclamation, he is just wrong that it takes only two people to do so, as is clearly stated above - it takes MUCH MORE than two people. Unless they change these rules beforehand, which they have not yet done - THESE ARE THE RULES.

Here is the link for you to carouse at your leisure. GOP PARTY RULES

Originally posted by gwydionblack
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

There is next to zero percent chance that the delegates, supportive of Ron Paul, would ever allow for a suspension of the rules have followed them to a tee so far.

They simply don't have the numbers and the RNC simply doesn't care about them.

45,000 people will be in attendance...what is your honest estimate of Ron Paul supporters in that crowd??? Mine is less than 500.