Originally posted by jeantherapy
reply to post by Indigo5

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Thanks. I have spent time in bear and cougar territory, but those were black bears and not many cats.I have only limited time around wolves and grizzlies, but am looking forward to learning more things about the earth which cannot be learned in classrooms or internet forums.

Originally posted by redhorse

Originally posted by slaine1978
reply to post by redhorse

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if i was in the us i would get a nice L115A3 rifle and go hunting
the wolf murderers
might sound a bit extreme to you but i value the wolves more
than the people wanting them dead.

Please get the help you need before you hurt someone. You are not sane.

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by Indigo5

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I understand that. I never said we should kill all the wolves, or that I hate them. I just wish you would entertain the thought that along with everything else, balance is needed. I feed a lot of deer through the winter, I haven't needed to much lately because of the mild winters. Most of those that I helped before were slaughtered. Is it nature? Yes. However, even wolf populations I believe to be kept in check. Yes wolves have been around for a long time, however nature is always evolving and it always finds a way. If that weren't the case we would still have dinosaurs running around.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by redhorse

Originally posted by slaine1978
reply to post by redhorse

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if i was in the us i would get a nice L115A3 rifle and go hunting
the wolf murderers
might sound a bit extreme to you but i value the wolves more
than the people wanting them dead.

Please get the help you need before you hurt someone. You are not sane.

I'm obligated to second Redhorse here. Passion for the wild things is good, but that post sounds unstable. If you value nature it would be good to remember that we are nature too.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by redhorse

Originally posted by slaine1978
reply to post by redhorse

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if i was in the us i would get a nice L115A3 rifle and go hunting
the wolf murderers
might sound a bit extreme to you but i value the wolves more
than the people wanting them dead.

Please get the help you need before you hurt someone. You are not sane.

I'm obligated to second Redhorse here. Passion for the wild things is good, but that post sounds unstable. If you value nature it would be good to remember that we are nature too.

Originally posted by jeantherapy
reply to post by Indigo5

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Ever hear of Stockholm Syndrome? I believe this explains pet behavior as well as human captive behavior. And I don't have any deep rooted loathing of myself, I said I was ashamed to be part of a group known as "human civilization", a group which I believe is intelligent enough to be the guardians of the Earth, rather than the defilers we have become.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by Covertblack
reply to post by Indigo5

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I understand that. I never said we should kill all the wolves, or that I hate them. I just wish you would entertain the thought that along with everything else, balance is needed. I feed a lot of deer through the winter, I haven't needed to much lately because of the mild winters. Most of those that I helped before were slaughtered. Is it nature? Yes. However, even wolf populations I believe to be kept in check. Yes wolves have been around for a long time, however nature is always evolving and it always finds a way. If that weren't the case we would still have dinosaurs running around.

OK. I would comment though that often what "we" see as balance is not what nature sees as the best balance. While we might favor a deer or bunny...nature has it's own balance. Lions are magnificient...they also will kill and eat young wildabeast etc. which is hard for "us" to watch, but just as nature intended it.

The wolves will find balance...and I am sure part of that balance will be learning to avoid places they get shot at...they are smart creatures. I have no tolerance though for those that call for extermination or those that are incapable of appreciating the wolf or other wild creatures. I learned long ago to appreciate equally both prey and predator even when one is mauling and eating the other. You have to find the lion majestic both when it is posing or nurturing it's young as well as when it is killing another creature.

I have no issue with those that hunt for utility, we are part of the natural cycle after all. I have no tolerance for those that would shoot a wolf for sport, intolerance or ignorance.

Originally posted by Indigo5
reply to post by Covertblack

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I agree mostly. I think that as a species, the more we stay to the center lane...closer to the balance that nature demonstrates for us..the better/healthier/happier we are as a species. I also think that arrogance is a disease when it comes to our interaction with our natural world and when we assume we know better than nature, sh*7 usually hits the fan in months or years and then we are left trying to fix a problem we created and the fix usually creates another problem etc. And I believe all of that is relevant to our happiness as a species, not nature..nature is supreme to us. We like to believe we are smarter, more supreme than nature...or that "God" thinks we are special creatures...and then a Tsunamie, tornado or Hurricaine strikes and washes us away like an ant hill in the rain. Our interactions with nature and all of it's creatures should always begin with respect and appreciation vs. arrogance or conciet. And in the end how we manage that relationship has to do with "our" happines as a species. Nature doesn't care about time and has no specific love of people, we can very easily make ourselves extinct and 'nature" would be fine in a blink of an eye.