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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 04:24 AM
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Originally posted by YourDreamsCanceled
What is interesting about all these video? Well, yes they are all from the 1950's to the 1970's, but that's not the point, the point is in every single video you cannot find a white line in the sky anywhere...at all. ]


Please post the weather conditions on each day those video's were taken - or dont you realise contrails are affected by weather....




posted on May, 3 2012 @ 04:36 AM
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To support your viewpoint, can you offer an opinion or explanation as to how increased numbers of aircraft over the last four decades, coupled with the replacement of all turbojet powered and many turboprop powered airliners with high bypass turbofan powered aircraft that also fly higher up in colder air would NOT increase the likelihood of 'normal' contrail formation on routes where trails were not previously seen, and thus illustrate why such trails are the result of deliberate spraying?

Thank you



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
I can hear birds outside my window right now. I don't remember ever hearing birds as a child. Birds only started appearing a few years ago. What devious plot is behind them? Are they responsible for the debt crisis?


really?

lol and the 'chemtards' have flawed arguments here?

this is just epic, thanks for the laugh.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 06:24 AM
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Originally posted by Ghost375

Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Originally posted by FutureThinker
I always see people making comments that these are just planes on their regular flights, so how is it that they are doing these "curved" lines in the sky, and this was two or more planes flying in pretty close formation.

People really need to start thinking outside the box, this is not NORMAL by any means.

Have you ever heard of a holding pattern?

And yes, this is quite normal, even though it is generally avoided when possible, but it still happens. How's that for thinking outside the box

That explains why I've seen them curve no where remotely near an airport...right?

Probably not. Do you think there's only one reason why a plane would turn? Without knowing the circumstances of what you've seen, I can't comment on those occasions specifically. But planes can be routed around weather systems, their route can be made to coincide with a jet stream (to save fuel) and may require them to eventually turn back on to a different heading, and sometimes the navigation routes will require them to make adjustments to their heading. It's not always possible to fly in a perfect straight line to your destination.

If you do see this occurring, and you think something nefarious is going on, you should try going on flightaware.com to see if you can find out what flight it is, or perhaps post a thread and see if anyone else knows what's going on. Immediately jumping to the conclusion that there's a conspiracy because a plane is turning would be rather foolish. I'm not saying there definitely isn't something going on, but a little logic and common sense goes a long way.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 06:58 AM
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Although pre-dating What in the World are they Spraying, this documentary is quite informative.
I don't agree on some points in it but on the whole it's worth watching !

topdocumentaryfilms.com...

Peace



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 06:59 AM
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Originally posted by Pilot
I think he's insinuating that Proudbird is a chemtroll, and rightly so.

These kinds of posts are just pathetic. If you think someone is trolling, call them out on it and show them why. Simply resorting to ad hominem attacks because you don't agree with someone is weak (and also violates the T&C's). If you think they're posting false information, show why you think so. It's not that hard when you have any kind of logic and evidence to back up what you say.


Originally posted by Pilot
No one is convinced by anything the other side ever provides.

Do you speak on behalf on everyone on this site? There are many people who come here who don't post, but like to look at what other people say to try and form an informed opinion. I came here to learn and open my mind, but sadly I found that many people were posting illogical and flawed reasoning (such as in the OP) to try to prove a point, and I will call them out on it if I think it's necessary for others to understand why. I'm happy for someone to show where I am wrong, and I will gladly accept it if they can adequately show why. Not everyone is so close minded.


Originally posted by Pilot
Ask yourself why people spend so much effort and time, dedicated to the occupation of debunking chemtrails and it becomes apparent. If you think something is bunk, you leave it to the loonies to blather about. No?

No. Perhaps you're not aware of the motto of this site, but simply leaving "loonies" to spread lies and misinformation is not denying ignorance. If you want to post somewhere where you only have people agree with you, there are plenty of youtube channels who screen their posts to only show those that agree with the chemtrail theories. Some people post here to try to have an informative and intelligent discussion without the use of ad hominem attacks and baseless claims. It's very rare in this particular forum, but one can hope.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 08:29 AM
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I don't have the smarts to argue one way or another about whether or not there were chemtrails long ago. I do remember seeing them as a child, but I'm under 30. It wasn't until I started frequenting these types of sites that I ever really paid any attention to them at all. Last year though, I was swimming with my children in our pool when a smaller plane flew over our heads and it was so low that we went inside the house and watched it float with the wind a little ways, and hitting the ground barely missing our pool. Now that experience was definitely NOT a normal contrail. It was also not a crop plane, or if it was the pilot was severely drunk and had no clue what he was doing. Besides, I live in the country, but we don't have crops around these parts. It's mostly trees. We didn't go outside for the rest of the day.

As an intuitive female, I can only go by my feelings and the more I noticed the trails, the more it bothered me. Maybe it is just the "what if" ..or maybe its just the ideas put into my head. Who really knows? I'm not going to allow it to consume me, I don't believe there is truly anything we could do to stop it anyway.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Still? Again? More of this?

How do you expect to be taken seriously when you guys flagrantly, and consistently, fail to understand the basic science behind this, or in some cases, refuse to acknowledge it all together.

It makes me sad, it really does, that we've dropped so far down into the tard hole that people will believe a random youtube video with no source or credit, and misinformation, over DECADES of tested science.

For the love of all that is right in the world, go educate yourself on contrails, what makes them form, what they are, how they react to different atmospheric conditions.

chemtrail theory CAN co-exist with the science of contrails. but continually denying basic scientific principles because you "feel" something is "off" just makes you look silly. You simply can't say "this is a chemtrail" while being completely ignorant to what a contrail is.

Dropping chaff, is not spraying chemicals over cities. But again, those videos will be ignored because they don't fit into the "sky is falling" theory. contrails have existed since the beginning of high altitude aviation, and only expanded even more as more jets, higher altitudes, and different engines, came into effect.

A contrail is NOT engine exhaust, and does NOT come from the engines. A contrail is condensation, formed because of the temperature differences, that's it. It's completely dependent on atmospheric conditions, and the altitude of the plane.

I've spent years following this, nothing folks, nothing tangible at all, in fact, it seems to be getting worse with time, almost like those wanting you to believe this theory are getting desperate.

Please, Please, Please, don't open another chemtrail thread until you have a basic grasp of contrails, honestly, you are doing yourself a disservice by not being able to tell the difference.

I fully believe it's possible. I an certain it is not happening, and until I see something to lead me to think otherwise, I will continue to be skeptical of this theory, and I will continue to post the same basic science in each and every thread I see pop up.

Not because I'm a disinfo agent. Not because I enjoy being a contrarian. No, I do it because I refuse to let the uneducated and ignorant corrupt the minds of people coming here looking for answers. I refuse to let you guys ruin the reputation of ATS and turn it into GPL with your nonsense.
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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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How do you expect to be taken seriously when you guys flagrantly, and consistently, fail to understand the basic science behind this, or in some cases, refuse to acknowledge it all together.

I know what you mean.
When are people going to realize that they are conducting Global Dimming if the majority keep saying "the lines are normal!"?



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:08 AM
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Although they are not Chemtrails, the contrails I believe can effect our weather. Just like irrigating water to the desert changes the desert as well as rain patterns elsewhere, contrails create cloud cover that was never supposed to be there in the first place. So would this not affect The weather in one way or another?
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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:12 AM
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Originally posted by ArrowsNV

Originally posted by JibbyJedi
Cue the photos from the early 1900s showing massive contrails behind a squadron of planes... and all the other old photos of contrails.

Then let's mention that more flights are happening than previous decades.

Then talk about the conducive air conditions to form contrails.

And then mention how the gov't and military would absolutely disclose any and all info on projects involving spraying over populations, because the gov't has never lied before, and the CIA has never tested on unknowing civilians before. Plus, they share all their tech with us all.



Tap the Kool-aid kegger!!
All from WWII






Yes, what is quite interesting is that these CONTRAILS can be seen dissipating rather quickly. I remember seeing CONTRAILS from a jet flying overhead when I was a kid. I distinctly remember these contrails disappearing within a few seconds after being emitted.

What I don't get, is the pervasive CHEMTRAILS that not only persist after forming, but spread out to form thin, hazy clouds that eventually blot out the blue sky! And, that these CHEMTRAILS contain an oily substance that can be seen when light reflects off them.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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For those of you who do not know my history, I have worked on aerospace projects that were deemed classified, am a pilot myself, and personally know some well respected pilots.

Yes, certain airplanes do emit a sort of vapor, depending on altitude. But also consider that many governments around the world have admitted to cloud seeding. I know this to be true because thirty years ago I worked on airplanes that were designed for this purpose.

One thing I have also noted, is that Los Angeles although one of the sunniest areas of the westcoast, is now perpetually covered with these checkerboard cloud-like con-trails.

I have spent the better part of the last four months in San Diego due to my medical treatments and the avilability of certain specialist doctors. The funny thing is, with all the military bases in the general area down here, the constant roar of jets overhead, I see maybe less than 10% of the lines in the sky in SD as I do in LA. Strange....
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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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S & F.
I pointed this out a long time ago. There were no lines in the sky when we were young. Not even when I was older. Not even 4 years ago!!!
Here in South Africa, they started spraying in 2010.
So, how is it that in this modern age, all of a sudden there appear lines in the sky that never where there before??
Eyes wide shut.......
Yes! Of course Vaccines are great for you!
MSG and Aspartine are VERY healthy for your body and especially your brain!
Fluoride is totally harmless, Silly!
Coco cola DOES add life!
Your bank REALLY cares about you!
Nuclear energy and its waiste is NOT a problem to planet earth! Duh!
and on and on.....

AND CHEMTRAILS ARE NOT HAPPENING! Get it? It just is not. OK!??

Now, go back to sleep and do not wake up.

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posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:25 AM
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its not the movie or even seeing this for myself that has me believing in these trails , what really sold me is the massive campaign to debunk this , seems like where ever there is a chemtrail thread 20 or 30 people go out of thier
way to attack it, you have all kinds of programming conditioning that try to get you to accept chemtrails. for example microsoft game gears of war 3 has chemtrails in the skys! ive also seen commercials with them movies
so i believe , question is why? why always near the sun? hiding something or global cooling , but why only at sunrise and sunsett/



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Still? Again? More of this?


Yeah dude... and there is going to be a lot more in the future. So, I suggest getting over your stage of denial.

It would seem that most of us here actually know more about Contrails than you do. You claim to "know" the science and tell us to go "educate ourselves" ...... heh.... ok

If you have actually read all the "science" that has been provided by NOAH, NASA, and others then you should have seen a long time ago that the science does NOT match up with what happens in the sky.

Some days there are persistent trails in the sky when according to the "science" there shouldn't be..... Watch the sky for years and apply what they have told you.... there are major discrepancies.

Seems like you've been reading too much from contrailscience .....


And people who link WW2 pics of bombers are grasping at straws ..... That was a WAR with tactics used with chaff and who knows what else.... Not to mention if you read some history books and accounts ...the bombers were well below 30,000 ft (they descended to have more precise drops) when they went in to drop the bombs ...which is when some of those pics were taken.




I refuse to let you guys ruin the reputation of ATS and turn it into GPL with your nonsense.


Ohh Please.... IMO you are the one ruining this site with your ignorance. It's almost as if you can't comprehend the many many patents explaining all this stuff....

Or simply realize this that scientists have been dabbling in climate engineering for a long time.

I mean.... I'm sure the SRMGI is something that was conjured up just last week... Its not like they haven't been R&Ding this for decades or anything...



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Originally posted by Pilot
I think he's insinuating that Proudbird is a chemtroll, and rightly so.

These kinds of posts are just pathetic. If you think someone is trolling, call them out on it and show them why. Simply resorting to ad hominem attacks because you don't agree with someone is weak (and also violates the T&C's). If you think they're posting false information, show why you think so. It's not that hard when you have any kind of logic and evidence to back up what you say.


Originally posted by Pilot
No one is convinced by anything the other side ever provides.

Do you speak on behalf on everyone on this site? There are many people who come here who don't post, but like to look at what other people say to try and form an informed opinion. I came here to learn and open my mind, but sadly I found that many people were posting illogical and flawed reasoning (such as in the OP) to try to prove a point, and I will call them out on it if I think it's necessary for others to understand why. I'm happy for someone to show where I am wrong, and I will gladly accept it if they can adequately show why. Not everyone is so close minded.


Originally posted by Pilot
Ask yourself why people spend so much effort and time, dedicated to the occupation of debunking chemtrails and it becomes apparent. If you think something is bunk, you leave it to the loonies to blather about. No?

No. Perhaps you're not aware of the motto of this site, but simply leaving "loonies" to spread lies and misinformation is not denying ignorance. If you want to post somewhere where you only have people agree with you, there are plenty of youtube channels who screen their posts to only show those that agree with the chemtrail theories. Some people post here to try to have an informative and intelligent discussion without the use of ad hominem attacks and baseless claims. It's very rare in this particular forum, but one can hope.


The entire forum is pathetic, there is more than enough compelling information on the subject for an intelligent individual to come to a conclusion. We are talking about the sky, not the little ATS world where some of you seem to think answers can be proven by spouting "deny ignorance" like it's some kind of magic incantation. The motto of this site has nothing to do with the reality of what actually happens, any kind of spurious nonsense is tolerated as long as clicks happen, disinformation can be tossed about as long as clicks happen. Are you offended by that? That this is a money-making enterprise that tolerates loads of tabloid nonsense for the sake of the almighty dollar? Please. Save your moral outrage for something that deserves it.

Again. if you are looking for answers, you can't find them neatly packaged in a thread on this website. Talk to real people. I am open minded enough to consider that the spraying is designed to help rather than hurt, but people here who continuously debunk will not consider that spraying is occurring. It's all about calling names and appeal to authority and deflection. Over and over and over.

I have watched this go on for years and it disgusts me. If you sir, do not like what I have to say, fine. I will continue to say it because it happens to be part of the reality of the forum, that there are a number of dedicated shills whose presence obfuscates and damages the honest questioning process by trying to make people feel stupid for having an opinion different from their own. This is common knowledge to anyone who has been around for a while. I won't try and convince anyone to come around to my way of thinking because it is not important to me. What is important is that honest inquiry is given a chance for those who are new to the subject-before the abuse starts.



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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the premise of your thread is that the sky didn't used to look like it does today. I will agree as I think anyone with a brain would.

I have learned not to try to dismantle a man's religion so I will not trample on your "chemtrails are real" church, but I would ask you one simple question..........Are there more planes in the sky now than there were in 1960?

Things to ponder.........



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by YourDreamsCanceled
 


the premise of your thread is that the sky didn't used to look like it does today. I will agree as I think anyone with a brain would.

I have learned not to try to dismantle a man's religion so I will not trample on your "chemtrails are real" church, but I would ask you one simple question..........Are there more planes in the sky now than there were in 1960?

Things to ponder.........


more planes would explain more trails sure.
however they should dissipate, not form into
lingering clouds that block the sun, just sayin



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by Pilot

Originally posted by Curious and Concerned

Originally posted by Pilot
I think he's insinuating that Proudbird is a chemtroll, and rightly so.

These kinds of posts are just pathetic. If you think someone is trolling, call them out on it and show them why. Simply resorting to ad hominem attacks because you don't agree with someone is weak (and also violates the T&C's). If you think they're posting false information, show why you think so. It's not that hard when you have any kind of logic and evidence to back up what you say.


Originally posted by Pilot
No one is convinced by anything the other side ever provides.

Do you speak on behalf on everyone on this site? There are many people who come here who don't post, but like to look at what other people say to try and form an informed opinion. I came here to learn and open my mind, but sadly I found that many people were posting illogical and flawed reasoning (such as in the OP) to try to prove a point, and I will call them out on it if I think it's necessary for others to understand why. I'm happy for someone to show where I am wrong, and I will gladly accept it if they can adequately show why. Not everyone is so close minded.


Originally posted by Pilot
Ask yourself why people spend so much effort and time, dedicated to the occupation of debunking chemtrails and it becomes apparent. If you think something is bunk, you leave it to the loonies to blather about. No?

No. Perhaps you're not aware of the motto of this site, but simply leaving "loonies" to spread lies and misinformation is not denying ignorance. If you want to post somewhere where you only have people agree with you, there are plenty of youtube channels who screen their posts to only show those that agree with the chemtrail theories. Some people post here to try to have an informative and intelligent discussion without the use of ad hominem attacks and baseless claims. It's very rare in this particular forum, but one can hope.




I am open minded enough to consider that the spraying is designed to help rather than hurt,



Hi Pilot!

Never crossed lines with you before.

You really make exellent statements!

Intereseted to know what you may consider the HELP would be that you referring to? I realise it may only be your hypothesis, but still, please share?



posted on May, 3 2012 @ 10:56 AM
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The plane was made in the 60s. The video was not in the 60s. The GPS must have been put in recently. One bad vid compared to the rest. I still think the OP did a great job.





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