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That is very true. I find myself unable to debate it sometimes because I get so emotional about it. So my misinterpretation of your posts aside, would you mind elaborating on your original post?
Originally posted by Skyfloating
Originally posted by seberhar
If not OWS then what?
That is as impossible as it would be for you to prove they ARE part of 'occupy'.
But if you want to ignore the media reports showing regular people confronting these 'anarchists' (anarchists who, btw. show open contempt for 'occupies' peaceful tactics') that is your own doing. Look over my posts in these occupy threads. I've provided TONS of evidence of just that.
I never said " every single "occupier" is innocent". You appear to be very good at straw men.
I merely stated your claim that they ALL are part of occupy is not truthful.
Funny you demand evidence from me, yet provide none of your own.
You dont debate facts.
You argue straw men and false dichotomies, wile demanding evidence for things you yourself cant prove or disprove.
Is high school out for the day?
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Individual non-acquiescence to managed economy, the federal reserve and banking, as well as every act of tyranny both federal and state governments are guilty of.
But in a country full of lazy apathetic people, we would need the majority to be on board with this sentiment, no?
So at the very least OWS, which started with a few hundred people, has grown to hundreds of thousands nationwide.
I don't see a plausible way to get these apathetic uninformed people to all of a sudden buck the system and leave banks when we're all so dependent on them.
National Bank Transfer Day was an effort mostly driven by OWS and it's effects were pretty minimal:
So until there are enough people united to do what you suggest, nothing will happen.
So at the very least, the fact that OWS has brought so many people together (albeit in a fairly unorganized and crude manor), at least it signifies that such a unification might be possible, no?
Using that as a premise, what do you do to awaken them from their apathy? What will work?
My own thoughts on this matter are pessimistic. The majority of the apathetic have no interest in changing things. They, quite simply, don't give enough of a damn to be bothered.
I know, or hope rather, that the vast majority are there to try and send a message. That's lost when all we hear about is the damage caused.
Originally posted by seagull
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
Our thoughts on this issue run virtually in lock step. I found that poll story hugely amusing...sad, but amusing. Was that an actual poll, or your imagination? It seems all too close to reality.
one of the most powerful weaponds against corpratism is consumerism, let me explain, when corperations put profits above all else, that is their weekness, they require us to consume for them top make profits.
we must noy buy the products of companies who seek control, they must be starved of our purchases in order to slay the corperate beasts.
any corperation not seeking to seceretly right legislation for thier own purpose should be rewarded with our consumerism.
not to celebrate consumerism per say, but to vote with our choices ands purchases against seceret legislation that benifits the 1% at the expense of liberty choice and a free market.
What is the goal for OWS and how will they realise when their goal is complete?
I definitely agree with many of the concerns of OWS, but they lack a clear goal and have no leadership to articulate the message. I saw video of yesterdays protests and they were having 3 separate general assembly meetings all at the same time. It just seems like no way of running a successful protest.
Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by seberhar
I'm sorry, but no. I cannot see how a unified movement of lazy apathetic people is any better than an individual lazy apathetic person, possibly even worse.
I strongly defend the unalienable right of all people everywhere. Because of this, I strongly defend all people's right to peaceably assemble, and as skeptical as I am of protest, to protest. Protest can be cathartic, but non-acquiescence is truly therapeutic. Of course, many therapies come with painful side effects. Such is life and growing pains.