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Originally posted by kman420
Its really only a matter of time before someone decides to use a nuke, i just cant see practically every country racing to get nuclear weapons if no one planned on ever using them.
And it really only takes one going missing or sold to the wrong people, and somehow i cant see that "never" happening.
I mean how much money would a nuke and stealth sub cost? Wouldnt one of the oil rich companies easily beable to afford this? Im sure there only waiting till they have so many nukes in so many countries all pointed at us then what could we do?
Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen
A nuclear weapon that wasn’t supposed to exist, a single 500 kiloton hydrogen bomb, one of four being tracked, was seen being loaded at the German port of Bemerhaven, Germany. The groups assisting in what we were informed was a counter-terrorism surveillance operation were the American NSA, British MI 6, the Office of Naval Intelligence and the British Royal Navy.
The “device” was loaded onto a Germany built “Dolphin” submarine and left the harbour doing 7.5 knots.
The submarine disappeared while being tracked by every sophisticated device NATO seems to be able to own or borrow.
Weapons of this type are generally located through use of specialized aircraft, in this case, the Boeing Sentinal E3D. These are highly modified 707 aircraft. The British have 7 of these operating out of RAF Waddington. They were placed on “mechanical fault standown” on April 14. Who would have thought all these planes were preparing to discombobulate?
It seems Germany is giving these things out as party favors, sub included. Hope this does not end badly.
Israel's Navy ordered six Dolphin Class U212 Submarines, of which three have been delivered and two more will be delivered by 2014. The sixth submarine was ordered in May 2011.
ETs/EDs Raid Bremerhaven, Germany Last Week;
“Disappear” Dolphin Sub, Nuke & Crew While Under Comprehensive NATO & Intelligence Agency Surveillance!
ETs/EDs (extraterrestrials/extradimensionsals) of the Liberation Forces raided Angela Merkel’s Germany last week, a move expected by the writer, given Germany’s decades of WMD (weapons of mass destruction) proliferation (chemical weapons and precursors, supplying missile expertise, illegal sale of ultra centrifuges to anyone with cash, plus providing quiet Diesel-electric subs to Israel, but set up to allow for rapid conversion to nuclear cruise missile launch platforms). Call the ETs/EDS most unhappy!
Originally posted by zeeon
Can we stop with all the armchair "experts" in this thread? Honestly?
For all the people calling BS on this story, how much real world experience do you really have?
I've worked on, tested and been in an E-2C Hawkeye (similar to the AWACS). Further that - I've worked on a multitude of electronics for many air frames, spent 13 years as an Aviation Electronics Technician.
AWACS DO have the capability to track multiple targets - especially if they can get a track on any type of signal originating from the sub (such as a tracking signal or any other type of electromagnetic emanation that leaves the surface of the water with enough signal strength).
You only need ASW (Anti-Submarine Warfare) detection when a subs running silent with no comms. Theoretically, if they knew the bearing of the sub when she left harbor an AWACS could fly around and passively detect any RF signals and trace them back. Just depends on bearing, range, and signal strength.
If the subs running with no comm's then we're talking about Passive/Active dipping sonar, MAD (Magnetic Anomaly Detection), Sonobouy's etc - typical ASW tactics to track her down.
Now that the technical details are out of the way - Those of you asking for official sources aren't going to get any.
If you think that the MSM (as biased and controlled as WE ALL KNOW THEY ARE) is going to report on a story of this magnitude - ie. the Germans lost a freaking nuclear weapon AND a submarine - then pass some of those drugs your using my way because I'd like to have some.
Fact of the matter is, if this is real - then it's most certainly classified.
If you want a little historical precedence - Tom Clancy's famous book "The Red Ocotober" was based on factual events. A Russian submarine really did defect to the United States, and she really did make it past our (at the time it was called) SOSA net surround Pearl Harbor. I have inside knowledge (from a family member who was an ASW officer on active duty) who can confirm this for me. The United States has still yet to release any classified material surrounding the situation.
Please don't assume something is fake because we don't have "Official" (read state sponsored media) telling you it is. Let's be smarter than that.
Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Now that some facts have emerged i think it's safe to say the Israeli's are not about to blow up Chicago or London.
However, when it comes to nukes things start to get murky, especially when combining nukes with Israel.
Lets review the new sub, INS Tanin ( Crocodile ) Dolphin class, Air-Independent Propulsion, 10 forward Torpedo tubes .
6 x 533 mm/ 21 inch tubes - Torps/Harpoons/Tomahawk : Although Clinton refused to supply Tomahawks Israel may have acquired elsewhere (murky) or subsequent administrations may have supplied (murky).
4 x 650 mm/ 25.5 inch tubes - ?????? Popeye turbo nuke cruise (Israeli) ????? (very murky).
The only warhead that comes close to 500 Kiloton is the W88 (475 Kiloton) used in Trident II as MRV's , up to twelve by design but limited to 8 by treaty.
It is technically possible to fit a W88 to the Popeye Turbo and fire it through the bigger tubes, not so sure that it can be fitted to a Tomahawk and fired through the standard tubes, but it may be the case.
If the story about a missing nuke is true it can only be a W88, i find it very hard to believe a W88 has gone missing, although i cannot blame Israel for wanting to acquire one.
Even if Israel has Acquired a W88 they still have to modify the Popeye Turbo and the Tomahawk (Again if acquired).
Much more likely they would reverse engineer the W88 for production while modifying the delivery missile.
As of now this just pure speculation, we do not know if any warheads are missing, we do know that Israel has capable subs and is looking around the world for suitable nuclear warheads.
There may be something to this story but it won't be as told, it may be a deliberate leak or false trail, or a story to spook the Iranians.
I think it would wise for us all to keep a watchful eye on the Dolphins in the coming months/years as that is where Israel intends to place it's nuclear arsenal, of that i am in no doubt.
As for false flags..erm not this time, this is more strategic and political.
Originally posted by AnonymousCitizen
How does the W88 compare with what we assume Israel already has in their arsenal?
Or is it "buy a sub and get a free nuke" week in Germany? I hate missing those sales.edit on 5/4/12 by AnonymousCitizen because: (no reason given)