Ron Paul is only hope for real change...

reply to post by yoyoyoyo


I've got a question. How is he going to change the law? If I remember correctly, no bill he has proposed has ever been passed. So how is he going to get his laws passed when he isn't even in a position to propose them? Not to mention that even if he is against TPTB he is still facing a Congress filled with TPTB and their lackeys. So how do Ron Paul supporters actually expect him to achieve these sweeping changes?

Originally posted by yoyoyoyo
You want real change, Ron Paul is our last hope to break free of this 2 party system that has gripped control on the USA...

Sorry for short post, but please if anyone could explain why I should vote for another canidate. Please do.

edit on 2-5-2012 by yoyoyoyo because: (no reason given)

I guess all hope is lost for you then because he’s got about as much chance of winning in this rigged system as you or me!

Don’t worry…the sun will rise the day after the election.

reply to post by seabag


We need to change the minds of the people, Who believe their is no hope.


Ron Paul is trying to save us from becoming a third world nation. We are on that track right now.

Romney or Obama elected would just put the nail in the coffin...

Our elected politicians are just as bad as the elected politicians in mexico... Welcome to the next third world country USA...

We're on that track with people that believe Obama or Romney will do anything for the people... Only people they help are their business partners...

Welcome to global control. Divide and conquer.

Originally posted by yoyoyoyo
reply to post by seabag

 

We need to change the minds of the people, Who believe their is no hope.


Ron Paul is trying to save us from becoming a third world nation. We are on that track right now.

Romney or Obama elected would just put the nail in the coffin...

Our elected politicians are just as bad as the elected politicians in mexico... Welcome to the next third world country USA...

We're on that track with people that believe Obama or Romney will do anything for the people... Only people they help are their business partners...

Welcome to global control. Divide and conquer.

Please, back these statements up.

I love how this post got hijacked by the few people who do not buy into Paul's propaganda and can actually, "think for themselves," as the paulites love to say. IDK why this thread even exists. The fact that it is still trending on the forum is very troubling to me. Not just because I hate RP, its because this brings nothing to the table. We all know what RP folks believe, give it a rest trollies!

It's time for the non-RP supporters to come out of hiding and re-take ATS! at least in the political sections

Originally posted by yoyoyoyo
reply to post by seabag

 

We need to change the minds of the people.

So because you believe that there is no hope you assume all others do? And changing minds sounds a lot like brainwashing to me. Brainwashing people to believe that RP is the only hope. Sounds a lot like the Obama campaign, and look how great he turned out to be! No Thanx

I am not American, however I have watched a few debates between the current candidates and found Ron Paul to be the best choice for America. His economic plan, of not using bailouts to fix the economy is very much correct (Greece is case and point) the underlying problem is that jobs are moving abroad, no amount of money will fix that. It needs a good strategy, not money.

It is also prudent to point out Obama has already spent Trillions trying to fix the economy; with very little to show for it.

You guy's have a good candidate this time round, don't waste it

I think the fact that the poster is called yoyoyoyo speaks a lot about his character and how serious people should take him.

Originally posted by yoyoyoyo

Ron Paul is running as a republican, which is one of the two major parties.

How would he "fix" the country ? Please explain. I want to know how his economic policy will be better than what we have now since every respectable economist disagrees with him.

Wow, are you serious?

1. Yes he's running as a republican to get all the republican votes away from the other pawns...

2. Economic policy could be better... dude do you even know what your talking about? Ron Paul is the only hope for real change, He would : 1. end the fed. 2. reinstate the gold standard. 3. bring the troops home and have us bunker up instead of policing the world. 4. he's the only person that votes no against taxes consistently. 5. he is a man, but look at his supporters compared to the others. 6. majority of armed forces and reservists support Ron Paul. 7. Ron Paul is the only person that hasn't bent over for big business.

Ending the Fed is a horrible decision. I assume you know nothing about what the Fed does and how it works. You also dont know about the the boom and bust cycle of the 1800's which is the reason we now have the Fed.

The gold standard is another bad idea. we have been there and tried that and it didnt work. It didnt work then and its not gonna work now. As the economy grows the currency creation as to keep pace with it, with gold we would be tied to how fast we can mine it out of the earth. Its a horrible idea to lose control over monetary policy. ect...

Why is gutting taxes a good thing? we have a low tax rate already. Voodoo regonomics doesnt work.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
I know what he wants to do.

You clearly do not understand a single point of the RP campaign. Not one.

He wants to turn america into a third world nation.

He wants to return us to the functional nation both economically & governmentally that allowed us to go from a colony to the richest most prosperous country in the world in a short span of 150-ish years. What he have been doing for the last +100 years (straying from those founding principles) is what is turning us into a 3rd world nation.

He wants to default on debt.

You mean the debt from the unconstitutional FedRes that they created out of thin air? The debt they created & dole out to anyone who asks & that you & I pay?

He wants to outlaw abortion.

You mean strip that control from the fedgov, from whom it constitutionally does not belong, & return it to the states? Regardless of whether you consider abortion murder or not, it is not within the power of the fedgov to dictate.

He wants to cut funding for our schools, and the most needy of us.

You mean he wants to return control of schools back to the communities where it belongs. Why don't you check out what federalizing education has done, why we've gone from the top to damn near the bottom of education all while spending the most.

YOU are the ignorance that the RP campaign is trying to fight. What 'the government" is doing now has been done over & over throughout history & it always ends the same way, in ruin. Only by returning to the principles that made us the envy of the world can we become great again.

I heard rumors of a people long ago that were brought here on slave ships.
They would take a vote in a democratic way,
as they out numbered the crew,
but they always
lost when they voted for freedom.
I live in America,
Its time that I look at the truth.

Originally posted by gorgi
Ending the Fed is a horrible decision. I assume you know nothing about what the Fed does and how it works. You also dont know about the the boom and bust cycle of the 1800's which is the reason we now have the Fed.

Those boom & bust cycles are now called the "business cycle". Business cycle, bull & bear markets, all controlled by a few select banking groups. They know when they are coming, obviously, but you & I don't. Who do you think is making a killing off of it all?

The Fed sure did a great job in 1929, didn't they? Of course they did. They eliminated a huge swath of their competition, consolidating thousands of small banks into their fold... oh, & destroyed a good bit of our economy in doing so.

Wow, you need to read
The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

You obviously have no clue how the Fed works & what exactly it has done to us over the last 100 years; why the founders tried so hard to destroy the 1st & 2nd national banks we had; why the silver $1 coin in my pocket right now is currently worth +30FRNs yet purchases about the same amount of goods it did when it was minted in 1922.

The ignorance & sheer stupidity of all the RP haters... amazing. Simply amazing. Try opening a damn book once in a while.

The gold standard is another bad idea. we have been there and tried that and it didnt work. It didnt work then and its not gonna work now. As the economy grows the currency creation as to keep pace with it, with gold we would be tied to how fast we can mine it out of the earth. Its a horrible idea to lose control over monetary policy. ect...

"lose control over monetary policy"? Are you feckin' kidding? Who do you think controls it now? Congress? Ha! The Fed has stated flat out they are answerable to no one.
Greenspan on the FedRes

"Paper money eventually returns to it intrinsic value - zero". ~ Voltaire

Good luck, yo^4. You're on your own with this lot. I just wasted an hour of my time arguing with the clueless. That's why i hardly ever post. Just not worth the aggravation...

Nreply to post by mal1970




I know plenty of his stances and policies.

1) you do admit that he wants to default on debt. Have you considered what that would do to americas international standing? To the imports and exports that are the bloodline of this country? To the price of oil in this country, when it is no longer traded in dollars?

2)he does not wish to take abortion to the state level. He wishes to outlaw it altogether.

3)he wishes to cut funding to public schools, creating a greater divide between those with the means to go private, and those without.simple as that.

Thank goodness this man won't be elected.

Originally posted by mal1970

Originally posted by gorgi
Ending the Fed is a horrible decision. I assume you know nothing about what the Fed does and how it works. You also dont know about the the boom and bust cycle of the 1800's which is the reason we now have the Fed.

Those boom & bust cycles are now called the "business cycle". Business cycle, bull & bear markets, all controlled by a few select banking groups. They know when they are coming, obviously, but you & I don't. Who do you think is making a killing off of it all?

The Fed sure did a great job in 1929, didn't they? Of course they did. They eliminated a huge swath of their competition, consolidating thousands of small banks into their fold... oh, & destroyed a good bit of our economy in doing so.

Wow, you need to read
The Creature from Jekyll Island : A Second Look at the Federal Reserve

You obviously have no clue how the Fed works & what exactly it has done to us over the last 100 years; why the founders tried so hard to destroy the 1st & 2nd national banks we had; why the silver $1 coin in my pocket right now is currently worth +30FRNs yet purchases about the same amount of goods it did when it was minted in 1922.

The ignorance & sheer stupidity of all the RP haters... amazing. Simply amazing. Try opening a damn book once in a while.

The gold standard is another bad idea. we have been there and tried that and it didnt work. It didnt work then and its not gonna work now. As the economy grows the currency creation as to keep pace with it, with gold we would be tied to how fast we can mine it out of the earth. Its a horrible idea to lose control over monetary policy. ect...

"lose control over monetary policy"? Are you feckin' kidding? Who do you think controls it now? Congress? Ha! The Fed has stated flat out they are answerable to no one.
Greenspan on the FedRes

"Paper money eventually returns to it intrinsic value - zero". ~ Voltaire

Good luck, yo^4. You're on your own with this lot. I just wasted an hour of my time arguing with the clueless. That's why i hardly ever post. Just not worth the aggravation...

A boom and bust cycle is different than a regular business "up and down" cycle.

The depression had a lot of causes and one of them was lack of regulation and another was the Fed doing to little and the gold standard that was in place at the time made it worse.

The founders wanted to not have national bank ? What? please read up on Hamilton. Hes he guy on the 10$ bill, you know the one made by the evil fed.

Thanks for giving a Voltaire quote. A crazy dead french guy really helped your point.

First of all Ron Paul belongs on the libertarian ticket and it seems he sold out his party for the chance to get elected by the most corrupt party on earth called the republicans.

Second I disagree with his ultra-small government ideas, agree with his non-interventional foreign campaign policy, agree partially with his "lets end the Federal Reserve" but disagree with going back to the gold standard.

Third even if elected what chance in hell would he have to pass anything when his own party backstabs him to death?

Fourth only a progressive party can save america. The democrats are NOT progressives. They are liberals of the corporate establishment. I believe in a mixed economy where critical infrastructure is nationalised and everything else can remain private and for-profit.

Fifth he is too old.

Sixth he once believed in reaganomics which is very scary. Thanks to reagan with his leveraged buyouts and market deregulation america is totally screwed up today. Then came bush to repeal the glass steagel act which allows great freedom to banks to become investment firms.

Vote SPUSA or Green Party. Give the little guys a chance!

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
First of all Ron Paul belongs on the libertarian ticket and it seems he sold out his party for the chance to get elected by the most corrupt party on earth called the republicans.

Second I disagree with his ultra-small government ideas, agree with his non-interventional foreign campaign policy, agree partially with his "lets end the Federal Reserve" but disagree with going back to the gold standard.

Third even if elected what chance in hell would he have to pass anything when his own party backstabs him to death?

Fourth only a progressive party can save america. The democrats are NOT progressives. They are liberals of the corporate establishment. I believe in a mixed economy where critical infrastructure is nationalised and everything else can remain private and for-profit.

Fifth he is too old.

Sixth he once believed in reaganomics which is very scary. Thanks to reagan with his leveraged buyouts and market deregulation america is totally screwed up today. Then came bush to repeal the glass steagel act which allows great freedom to banks to become investment firms.

Vote SPUSA or Green Party. Give the little guys a chance!

Not here to argue, but it was the Clinton Reich in 1999 that repealed Glass-Steagall.

And (ok, i guess i'm arguing) your fallacy is that you still think in party terms. They are both corrupt. Sure the Dems admit to being socialists & the Reps are all fascists. Does it matter? They are all collectivists. More for them & their pets/masters, less for you & me.

RP stands on the Rep platform that the Rep party had left when they turned neo-con. He *is* a Republican, just not a neo-con. He's the old guard, the principles that made this country what it once was, the richest, most powerful nation the world.

You want to embrace a philosophy that has or is in the process of destroying most every nation on the planet. Collectivism, in any form, doesn't work. Period. Paint it whatever color you want; communism, socialism, fascism, corporatism; it has been tried over & over throughout history & has failed every time & it is about to claim us. Over the past 100 years these forms of government have killed more of their own citizens than all of the wars over the same time period, but i'm sure it would be different for us, right? Not.

These names we use are loaded with meaning, yet have no meaning. "Liberals" oppose liberty. Neo-Cons are anything but conservative. They are meaningless. Call them what they are, tyrants, collectivists, control freaks, enemies of mankind.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Way to try to discredit Ron Paul with your silly statement about my screen name.

Is that the best you got?

Originally posted by gorgi
Seriously Peter Schiff? That's your answer?
I suppose you didnt see the "debate" with Krugman where Paul rambled like a crazy person with bad talking points.
Like I said before no serious economist is on board with Paul.

Really??



These two have a Nobel Prize to their credit... is that serious enough for you?

man ron paul would not be able to change anything, once he gets into office he wont be able to. the deck is stacked against him. obama was supposed to bring change and look how far he got. i think we should have the loser of the presidency automatically become vice president that way it would force both parties to work together.

reply to post by conspiracy nut


I don't believe you know how serious Ron Paul is or how much of a true leader he is.

Have you seen his following, That is the following of a true leader looking for real change.

Not Obama change.