The Biblical Crucifixion

There seems to be much confusion going on right now about the crucifixion, people thinking that Mel Gibsons Passion was an embellishment of the scriptures and that scriptures don't really describe the passion and the crucifixion as we commonly think of it,

Well folks, I am going to clear this up, with scripture, right here for you all, right now

Matthew 27
Matthew 27

When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death:

And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,

Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

And he cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of blood.

And they took counsel, and bought with them the potter's field, to bury strangers in.

Wherefore that field was called, The field of blood, unto this day.

Then was fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremy the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was valued, whom they of the children of Israel did value;

And gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me.

And Jesus stood before the governor: and the governor asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And Jesus said unto him, Thou sayest.

And when he was accused of the chief priests and elders, he answered nothing.

Then said Pilate unto him, Hearest thou not how many things they witness against thee?

And he answered him to never a word; insomuch that the governor marvelled greatly.

Now at that feast the governor was wont to release unto the people a prisoner, whom they would.

And they had then a notable prisoner, called Barabbas.

Therefore when they were gathered together, Pilate said unto them, Whom will ye that I release unto you? Barabbas, or Jesus which is called Christ?

For he knew that for envy they had delivered him.

When he was set down on the judgment seat, his wife sent unto him, saying, Have thou nothing to do with that just man: for I have suffered many things this day in a dream because of him.

But the chief priests and elders persuaded the multitude that they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.

The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas.

Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified.

And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified.

When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children.

Then released he Barabbas unto them: and when he had scourged Jesus, he delivered him to be crucified.

Then the soldiers of the governor took Jesus into the common hall, and gathered unto him the whole band of soldiers.

And they stripped him, and put on him a scarlet robe.

And when they had platted a crown of thorns, they put it upon his head, and a reed in his right hand: and they bowed the knee before him, and mocked him, saying, Hail, King of the Jews!

And they spit upon him, and took the reed, and smote him on the head.

And after that they had mocked him, they took the robe off from him, and put his own raiment on him, and led him away to crucify him.

And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.

And when they were come unto a place called Golgotha, that is to say, a place of a skull,

They gave him vinegar to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted thereof, he would not drink.

And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.

And sitting down they watched him there;

And set up over his head his accusation written, THIS IS JESUS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand, and another on the left.

And they that passed by reviled him, wagging their heads,

And saying, Thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days, save thyself. If thou be the Son of God, come down from the cross.

Likewise also the chief priests mocking him, with the scribes and elders, said,

He saved others; himself he cannot save. If he be the King of Israel, let him now come down from the cross, and we will believe him.

He trusted in God; let him deliver him now, if he will have him: for he said, I am the Son of God.

The thieves also, which were crucified with him, cast the same in his teeth.

Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Some of them that stood there, when they heard that, said, This man calleth for Elias.

And straightway one of them ran, and took a spunge, and filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.

The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.

Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.


That's Matthews account, ends with the resurrection testimony, good for dispelling myths that Christ didn't die or resurrect.

Folks, the only reason we know of Jesus Christs crucifixion is because of the Bible and the apostles who spread the Gospel. Don't be deceived by the unbelievers and people who God hath chosen to blind to His Truth....

More to come in next post.....

Mark chapter 15 (there's also quite a bit of details in chapter 14 and the final chapter 16 as well)

And straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.

And Pilate asked him, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answering said unto them, Thou sayest it.

And the chief priests accused him of many things: but he answered nothing.

And Pilate asked him again, saying, Answerest thou nothing? behold how many things they witness against thee.

But Jesus yet answered nothing; so that Pilate marvelled.

Now at that feast he released unto them one prisoner, whomsoever they desired.

And there was one named Barabbas, which lay bound with them that had made insurrection with him, who had committed murder in the insurrection.

And the multitude crying aloud began to desire him to do as he had ever done unto them.

But Pilate answered them, saying, Will ye that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

For he knew that the chief priests had delivered him for envy.

But the chief priests moved the people, that he should rather release Barabbas unto them.

And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?

And they cried out again, Crucify him.

Then Pilate said unto them, Why, what evil hath he done? And they cried out the more exceedingly, Crucify him.

And so Pilate, willing to content the people, released Barabbas unto them, and delivered Jesus, when he had scourged him, to be crucified.

And the soldiers led him away into the hall, called Praetorium; and they call together the whole band.

And they clothed him with purple, and platted a crown of thorns, and put it about his head,

And began to salute him, Hail, King of the Jews!

And they smote him on the head with a reed, and did spit upon him, and bowing their knees worshipped him.

And when they had mocked him, they took off the purple from him, and put his own clothes on him, and led him out to crucify him.

And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.

And they bring him unto the place Golgotha, which is, being interpreted, The place of a skull.

And they gave him to drink wine mingled with myrrh: but he received it not.

And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.

And it was the third hour, and they crucified him.

And the superscription of his accusation was written over, THE KING OF THE JEWS.

And with him they crucify two thieves; the one on his right hand, and the other on his left.

And the scripture was fulfilled, which saith, And he was numbered with the transgressors.

And they that passed by railed on him, wagging their heads, and saying, Ah, thou that destroyest the temple, and buildest it in three days,

Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.

And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

And some of them that stood by, when they heard it, said, Behold, he calleth Elias.

And one ran and filled a spunge full of vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink, saying, Let alone; let us see whether Elias will come to take him down.

And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.

And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.

There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

(Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.

And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,

Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.

And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.

And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled

Luke 22:25 - And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.

But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.

For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.

Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.

And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;

That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.

And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.

And he said, I tell thee, Peter, the cock shall not crow this day, before that thou shalt thrice deny that thou knowest me.

And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing.

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

And he came out, and went, as he was wont, to the mount of Olives; and his disciples also followed him.

And when he was at the place, he said unto them, Pray that ye enter not into temptation.

And he was withdrawn from them about a stone's cast, and kneeled down, and prayed,

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

And there appeared an angel unto him from heaven, strengthening him.

And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.

And when he rose up from prayer, and was come to his disciples, he found them sleeping for sorrow,

And said unto them, Why sleep ye? rise and pray, lest ye enter into temptation.

And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.

But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?

When they which were about him saw what would follow, they said unto him, Lord, shall we smite with the sword?

And one of them smote the servant of the high priest, and cut off his right ear.

And Jesus answered and said, Suffer ye thus far. And he touched his ear, and healed him.

Then Jesus said unto the chief priests, and captains of the temple, and the elders, which were come to him, Be ye come out, as against a thief, with swords and staves?

When I was daily with you in the temple, ye stretched forth no hands against me: but this is your hour, and the power of darkness.

Then took they him, and led him, and brought him into the high priest's house. And Peter followed afar off.

And when they had kindled a fire in the midst of the hall, and were set down together, Peter sat down among them.

But a certain maid beheld him as he sat by the fire, and earnestly looked upon him, and said, This man was also with him.

And he denied him, saying, Woman, I know him not.

And after a little while another saw him, and said, Thou art also of them. And Peter said, Man, I am not.

And about the space of one hour after another confidently affirmed, saying, Of a truth this fellow also was with him: for he is a Galilaean.

And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest. And immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew.

And the Lord turned, and looked upon Peter. And Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.

And Peter went out, and wept bitterly.

And the men that held Jesus mocked him, and smote him.

And when they had blindfolded him, they struck him on the face, and asked him, saying, Prophesy, who is it that smote thee?

And many other things blasphemously spake they against him.

And as soon as it was day, the elders of the people and the chief priests and the scribes came together, and led him into their council, saying,

Art thou the Christ? tell us. And he said unto them, If I tell you, ye will not believe:

And if I also ask you, ye will not answer me, nor let me go.

Hereafter shall the Son of man sit on the right hand of the power of God.

Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard

Luke 23

And the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.

And they began to accuse him, saying, We found this fellow perverting the nation, and forbidding to give tribute to Caesar, saying that he himself is Christ a King.

And Pilate asked him, saying, Art thou the King of the Jews? And he answered him and said, Thou sayest it.

Then said Pilate to the chief priests and to the people, I find no fault in this man.

And they were the more fierce, saying, He stirreth up the people, teaching throughout all Jewry, beginning from Galilee to this place.

When Pilate heard of Galilee, he asked whether the man were a Galilaean.

And as soon as he knew that he belonged unto Herod's jurisdiction, he sent him to Herod, who himself also was at Jerusalem at that time.

And when Herod saw Jesus, he was exceeding glad: for he was desirous to see him of a long season, because he had heard many things of him; and he hoped to have seen some miracle done by him.

Then he questioned with him in many words; but he answered him nothing.

And the chief priests and scribes stood and vehemently accused him.

And Herod with his men of war set him at nought, and mocked him, and arrayed him in a gorgeous robe, and sent him again to Pilate.

And the same day Pilate and Herod were made friends together: for before they were at enmity between themselves.

And Pilate, when he had called together the chief priests and the rulers and the people,

Said unto them, Ye have brought this man unto me, as one that perverteth the people: and, behold, I, having examined him before you, have found no fault in this man touching those things whereof ye accuse him:

No, nor yet Herod: for I sent you to him; and, lo, nothing worthy of death is done unto him.

I will therefore chastise him, and release him.

(For of necessity he must release one unto them at the feast.)

And they cried out all at once, saying, Away with this man, and release unto us Barabbas:

(Who for a certain sedition made in the city, and for murder, was cast into prison.)

Pilate therefore, willing to release Jesus, spake again to them.

But they cried, saying, Crucify him, crucify him.

And he said unto them the third time, Why, what evil hath he done? I have found no cause of death in him: I will therefore chastise him, and let him go.

And they were instant with loud voices, requiring that he might be crucified. And the voices of them and of the chief priests prevailed.

And Pilate gave sentence that it should be as they required.

And he released unto them him that for sedition and murder was cast into prison, whom they had desired; but he delivered Jesus to their will.

And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

And there followed him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.

But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on us; and to the hills, Cover us.

For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?

And there were also two other, malefactors, led with him to be put to death.

And when they were come to the place, which is called Calvary, there they crucified him, and the malefactors, one on the right hand, and the other on the left.

Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

And the people stood beholding. And the rulers also with them derided him, saying, He saved others; let him save himself, if he be Christ, the chosen of God.

And the soldiers also mocked him, coming to him, and offering him vinegar,

And saying, If thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself.

And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek, and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS.

And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him, saying, If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.

But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation?

And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss.

And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.

And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.

And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave u

John 18

When Jesus had spoken these words, he went forth with his disciples over the brook Cedron, where was a garden, into the which he entered, and his disciples.

And Judas also, which betrayed him, knew the place: for Jesus ofttimes resorted thither with his disciples.

Judas then, having received a band of men and officers from the chief priests and Pharisees, cometh thither with lanterns and torches and weapons.

Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye?

They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.

Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.

Jesus answered, I have told you that I am he: if therefore ye seek me, let these go their way:

That the saying might be fulfilled, which he spake, Of them which thou gavest me have I lost none.

Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and smote the high priest's servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant's name was Malchus.

Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it?

Then the band and the captain and officers of the Jews took Jesus, and bound him,

And led him away to Annas first; for he was father in law to Caiaphas, which was the high priest that same year.

Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people.

And Simon Peter followed Jesus, and so did another disciple: that disciple was known unto the high priest, and went in with Jesus into the palace of the high priest.

But Peter stood at the door without. Then went out that other disciple, which was known unto the high priest, and spake unto her that kept the door, and brought in Peter.

Then saith the damsel that kept the door unto Peter, Art not thou also one of this man's disciples? He saith, I am not.

And the servants and officers stood there, who had made a fire of coals; for it was cold: and they warmed themselves: and Peter stood with them, and warmed himself.

The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine.

Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing.

Why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said.

And when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so?

Jesus answered him, If I have spoken evil, bear witness of the evil: but if well, why smitest thou me?

Now Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.

And Simon Peter stood and warmed himself. They said therefore unto him, Art not thou also one of his disciples? He denied it, and said, I am not.

One of the servants of the high priest, being his kinsman whose ear Peter cut off, saith, Did not I see thee in the garden with him?

Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew.

Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.

Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?

They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee.

Then said Pilate unto them, Take ye him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:

That the saying of Jesus might be fulfilled, which he spake, signifying what death he should die.

Then Pilate entered into the judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Art thou the King of the Jews?

Jesus answered him, Sayest thou this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?

Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what hast thou done?

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and saith unto them, I find in him no fault at all.

But ye have a custom, that I should release unto you one at the passover: will ye therefore that I release unto you the King of the Jews?

Then cried

Then cried they all again, saying, Not this man, but Barabbas. Now Barabbas was a robber.


There we go!

That's that!

Now, enough of the "Christ didn't get crowned with thorns, or scourged, or whipped or mocked and the Bible doesn't say he does either!!!" lying nonsense, PLEASE!

Amen!

reply to post by Iason321

Now, enough of the "Christ didn't get crowned with thorns, or scourged, or whipped or mocked and the Bible doesn't say he does either!!!" lying nonsense, PLEASE!

Now you've got me curious.

Did someone on ATS deny that the bible records these things?

Or were they denying that it happened as the bible says it did?

For real... the best you have is scripture?

I wish I was as subservient as you, in regards to my relation with the texts...

It is not possible to prove anything with real historic accuracy with scripture, I wish people would understand this... but to each their own I suppose.

Many have gone to great lengths as to providing the history of the texts and their creation on ATS. Some how you have seemingly averted any contribution to such Threads.

If you'd like an example...:

The Origins of the King James Bible and the New Testament, and the Forgery, and Pagan influences in
www.abovetopsecret.com...

which then you'll find links such as...

St Paul - History, Biblical Epistles, Gnosticism and Mithraism
www.vexen.co.uk...

Influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism and Christianity
team-aow.discuforum.info...

That's just scratching the surface as to the origins of the texts...

I could care less what someone wants to believe, I only suggest... that instead of just using scripture to defend a stance or in attempts to provide any historical accuracy to an event, that you should find other means. Unless your attempts are to convert the 'non-believers', in that case... keep up the good fight.

All in all, S&F's for the copy and paste of scripture that aims to provide some accuracy to any account of the crucifixion. I only stated the previous, so that you may be further aware that there are other means outside of the texts to be used in establishing any truths in regards to the claims.

Not everything that opposes the views expressed in the 'great book' is blasphemy... maybe heretics in relation to your understanding... but there is no amount of sustenance in arguing any of these points if you are to only simply reply with scripture...

I'm just sayin'...

reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS


KJV is not my only bible plus your full of it anyways,

you're links are garbage and your bible bashing is garbage,

thx

reply to post by Klassified


All
of the above

Just another poor brainwashed soul believing everything the Pisos wrote for them. I'll bet they all had a good laugh making up all those stories.
A little history on the chosen name, "Iason."

The son of Aison and Alkimede (Alcimede) and the great-grandson of Minyas.

The life of Iason was defined by two major and interconnected events: the quest for the Golden Fleece and the love of the sorceress, Medea (Medeia).

As in most heroic episodes in Greek pre-history, there is no clear beginning or starting point from which we can draw a clear cause-and-effect relationship for Iason’s glory and his, seemingly pointless, death; Iason’s father, Aison, was supposed to take the throne of Iolkos (Iolcos) after the death of his father, Kretheus (Cretheus), but he was cheated out of his inheritance by his brother-in-law, Pelias.

As a child, Iason was removed from Iolkos and put in the care of the Centaur, Kheiron (Chiron), for his protection and education; the goddess, Hera, on one of her frequent excursions into the world of mortal humans, disguised herself as an old woman and waited on the banks of the river Anauros for a kind stranger to help her cross the surging river; Iason, now a young man, assisted Hera and, by this simple demonstration of his chivalrous character, earned the eternal love and protection of the queen of the Immortals.

source
Let him waste bandwidth, no one's paying attention anyway.

reply to post by autowrench


Better to be brainwashed than braindead, autowrench.

I'm glad you cared enough to reply, though I doubt you actually read the scriptures I posted.

reply to post by Iason321


Is there a TL: DR version?

reply to post by Iason321


Um, Mel Gobson's "The Passion" was no embellishment. He was beaten so bad he was unrecognizeable. They dressed him in a purple robe, put a crown of thorns on his head and a stick in his hand for a scepter and then beat him on his head with the stick. They spit on him, jerked his beard out by the roots and jews never shave so his beard was long. They took a 9 tail whip to him that had bits of bone and sharp metal lead tips and flayed him alive giving him the 39 lashes, because at 40 lashes you would die and they ripped the flesh off his ribs so bad his ribs exposed.

There was a shortage of mercy in those days, and the worst part of it was, his own people rejected him. His own people hated him then and most still do today, they turned him over to the romans to do those things to him, but he found a people who were not his own who would love him. He was an outcast who was accepted by outcasts and the unwanted, the hurting and broken people.

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by Iason321

 

Now, enough of the "Christ didn't get crowned with thorns, or scourged, or whipped or mocked and the Bible doesn't say he does either!!!" lying nonsense, PLEASE!

Now you've got me curious.

Did someone on ATS deny that the bible records these things?

Or were they denying that it happened as the bible says it did?

There is a spirit that denies both.

reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

It is not possible to prove anything with real historic accuracy with scripture, I wish people would understand this... but to each their own I suppose.

Bullcrap. There are archaeologists who go to the lands of the bible and use the text to locate things never found before. There are atheist historians who don't deny that Christ died on the cross who take the gospels as letters of historical record that they can subject to the same methods they apply to all historical texts of antiquity. They deny the supernatural aspects of the gospels, but not the historical aspects.

reply to post by autowrench


The Pisos were incapable of the heptadic structure of the text, no human can duplicate it, not even computers if they began working since the dawn of time can duplicate it.

Originally posted by Iason321
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

 

KJV is not my only bible plus your full of it anyways,

you're links are garbage and your bible bashing is garbage,

thx

Not a suprising response from someone who alluded to me being the anti-christ in a different thread. In which you totally misunderstood the reason for the thread, and took EVERYTHING out of context... once again. BTW, i'm still much anticipating your response on:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Highly Religious People Are Less Motivated by Compassion Than Are Non-Believers

I'm full of it? What exactly am I full of?

Everything I said to you in my previous post, is the exact same thing I said to leaders with in my church. Yet, they some how found a constructive way of putting it, and were very enlightening...

They didn't just go off and say... you're full of it, your links are garbage, you're bible bashing.

I don't know exactly who you think you are, but just a reminder... you are on ATS, this is not conversion hour at the hill top. You'd be more effective if you were to spend the time you do on ATS trying to convert, in working, and spending that money on a billboard filled with your rhetoric.

Just because the only means you have of attempting to 'deny ignorance' is to resort to one body of texts, doesn't mean you should just lash out, and claim that I am 'full of it'.

My relationship with Jesus and the Texts are totally different from one another. Although that seems contradictory, being that Jesus stems from the texts... but that doesn't mean that I have to agree with everything the texts say. It's fairly complex, and I don't care to defend myself any further.

I'm not here to test your faith, only to ask you to further explain things... I respect your undertakings in your attempts to 'save' others, but that only gets you so far.

I will bash the bible all I want, I however, will never bash Jesus... I hope you understand this difference.

Do what thou wilt with the whole of rhetoric! Gotta love those who outwardly appear beautiful, but inside are full of dead mans bones...
Just because a person has the ability to recite or post scripture, says absolutely nothing as to who they are... who they are comes out in their words and actions outside of the body of texts, not with in their acknowledgement.

Any ways... this is twice we seem to have butted heads, so I will move on and not address you further. Have fun, keep up the good fight, and never take in account any words I have ever put your way. matt 7: 6-7

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

 

It is not possible to prove anything with real historic accuracy with scripture, I wish people would understand this... but to each their own I suppose.

Bullcrap. There are archaeologists who go to the lands of the bible and use the text to locate things never found before. There are atheist historians who don't deny that Christ died on the cross who take the gospels as letters of historical record that they can subject to the same methods they apply to all historical texts of antiquity. They deny the supernatural aspects of the gospels, but not the historical aspects.

I suppose I mispoke, yet I did reiterate the point I was trying to make previously... and that is..
or should have been...

It is not possible to prove anything with real historic accuracy with ONLY scripture...

If you think that I am denying the accuracy as to 'Christ' dying on the cross, you are wrong in this assumption.

sorry for the confusion

Originally posted by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MESSAGEFROMTHESTARS

 

It is not possible to prove anything with real historic accuracy with scripture, I wish people would understand this... but to each their own I suppose.

Bullcrap. There are archaeologists who go to the lands of the bible and use the text to locate things never found before. There are atheist historians who don't deny that Christ died on the cross who take the gospels as letters of historical record that they can subject to the same methods they apply to all historical texts of antiquity. They deny the supernatural aspects of the gospels, but not the historical aspects.

I suppose I mispoke, yet I did reiterate the point I was trying to make previously... and that is..
or should have been...

It is not possible to prove anything with real historic accuracy with ONLY scripture...

If you think that I am denying the accuracy as to 'Christ' dying on the cross, you are wrong in this assumption.

sorry for the confusion

My scope was FAR greater. Watch some videos about all the things they have found in the lands of the Bible. Jerhico, Sodom and Gomorrah, old city of David, pool of Salom, the list goes on and on. Most everything skeptics for centuries have condemned as innacurate have now been discovered with the Bible and archaeology. Including the real Mt. Sinai in Saudi Arabia (Jabal al Lawz), not Egypt.