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Half Course to the 21 December of 2012 ; EXACTLY on May 20 .. Are You Prepared for whats coming ?

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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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I've never watched such absolute nonsense in my life. Oh well, that's a wasted 8 minutes I'll never get back.

Seriously who believes this crap?

If anything does happen on December 21st, 2012 it will be because of all the hysteria about the date and will be caused by society alone.




posted on May, 2 2012 @ 09:58 AM
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If by 'Are you prepared' you mean having started my Christmas shopping.....it's a bit early to be honest. so no.....not really.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Originally posted by Q2IN2Y
I must say though, I feel very sorry for the ones who are extremely materialistic, as they will suffer the most from this change.

As long as I have access to toilet paper and a toothbrush I'll be fine.

Water too. That's probably important.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:01 AM
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Amazing how these dates always coincide when i am on holiday, while getting some sea air in my lungs. Bloody well loathe it, as it is the time of the year i am not with my family.

I believe nothing will happen, but won't it just suck if something does. That goes through my mind, well it will be.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Caroline13456
If anything does happen on December 21st, 2012 it will be because of all the hysteria about the date and will be caused by society alone.


^Exactly, there is no prophetic thing or occurance that is "supposed" to happen. Our minds are stronger than matter, and if enough people want it bad enough something WILL happen on that day.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:09 AM
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Originally posted by DominusIlluminatioMea

Originally posted by Caroline13456
If anything does happen on December 21st, 2012 it will be because of all the hysteria about the date and will be caused by society alone.


^Exactly, there is no prophetic thing or occurance that is "supposed" to happen. Our minds are stronger than matter, and if enough people want it bad enough something WILL happen on that day.


That is what i believe. Take the millions, if not billions that do/will believe something will happen. Something's gotta give.

Hopefully majority will believe by that time nothing will happen.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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Keeping in mind that not everybody believes something bad will happen. Some of these people believe in a positive change, so maybe that's the balance that's needed.

Or maybe it will be a massive coast to coast riot, which is what North America needs to clean out the rusty ol' corrupt pipes. I certainly would not object.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Originally posted by Xaphan
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Keeping in mind that not everybody believes something bad will happen. Some of these people believe in a positive change, so maybe that's the balance that's needed.

Or maybe it will be a massive coast to coast riot, which is what North America needs to clean out the rusty ol' corrupt pipes. I certainly would not object.


I am all for the former. The latter i believe will happen, it has to, eventually.

But, so it counts for many parts of the world. The corrupt must must go.

And so, even if it is a change for the good, i am thinking how many of us will be "collateral damage".



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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What I'm seeing is first a reference to the con man Hunbatz Men. This is then followed by the Chilam Balam prophecies. The Chilam Balam "prophecies" are more or less propaganda. They were written after the arrival of the Spanish and influenced by the Spanish missionaries. This is explicitly clear in the inclusion of H'unab K'u. According to the Chilam Balam H'unab K'u is the supreme god of the Maya. The only problem with this is that there is not a single reference to to him prior to the Chilam Balam books. He was created for the sole purpose to insert the Christian God into Mayan beliefs. Despite all of this it is impossible for the Chilam Balam books from referencing 2012. They were Yucatec in origin. The Yucatec Maya had no tradition of using the Long Count and even if they had it would have been out of use for a while before the writing of the Chilam Balam prophecies.


How about some sources there almighty one?

First of all, let's correct you on a few things...

Hunbatz men is not "one guy", that is the concoction of the internet. Have you ever visited the Mayan people? The Hunbatz MEN are a group of Mayan elders, not just one person, and the idea of them being a fraud was due to the claim of ONE MAN - Cesar Mena Toto - which has nothing to do with the Mayan elders who are known as the "time keepers" or the "men of old". Get your facts straight before you twist them.

Second, I dare you to go to Yuca and tell the Mayan elders that the Chilam Balam is propaganda, and would like to see a VALID source backing up your claim of such a statement - meaning someone who has done actual research into the archaeology, theology, anthropology and philosophy of the Mayan cultures and not just a few quotes from internet sources. (hmmm, maybe a book that someone would have to spend significant time writing rather than a forum post or internet page that takes a few minutes to copy and paste.)

The reason there was not an inclusion of the "supreme god" H'unab K'u prior to Chilam Balam is because your understanding of it is wrong, and the language was changed once the Spanish invaded and changed things to Latin for the parts of the Mayan language that they couldn't understand. The H'unab K'u is the "force" in the Universe that guides, the spirit of all creation, "the giver of movement and measure", and was wrongly mislabeled over many years of mistranslation. It was the basis for the Tzolkin calendar, which was created long before the Spanish invaded, so you are incorrect about it never being mentioned prior to the Chilam Balam, so again, I'd like to see your source. The Mayans believed that the energy of the cosmos was linked to the cyclical nature of time due to "pulses" of energy that came from H'unab K'u in periods of 260 days, which still has significance even today, outside of the Maya traditions. The Spanish forced the Mayan to overlap their "supreme force" with that of Christianity, which is why your understanding and many others is incorrect. They wanted the Maya to adopt "God" as it's known in the bible as H'unab K'u and make them one in the same. The cyclical nature of time was a Mayan belief long before the Chilam Balam was created.

Lastly, your understanding of the long count calendar is also wrong. The Mayans had been using a combination of the Tzolkin and the Haab, which counts DAYS and Venus cycles, not years, so the dates were based on how many days/cycles passed from the origin date of August 11th 3114BC, and can be found elsewhere besides the Chilam Balam books. (such as the stones of Quirigua, stela C) When counting days, the long count was used in a similar fashion to how we annotate dates (ie 5/2/2012 = x.x.x.x in long count) and was not a "calendar" in use by the Mayans, but rather just a form of keeping track of dates. The Tzolkin and Haab were the more important calendars, and using these rolled into the long count calendar. The reason the calendars are not disputed is because they align with astronomical alignments and events and have been verified by many scholars. There was never a direct year of 2012 cited, but going from 8/11/3114 and counting the number of Tzolkin and Haab turns of the calendar wheels, brings us to 12/21/2012 and 13.0.0.0.0, which is referenced by the Dresden Codex, which predates the Chilam Balam.

See how that works when you don't mangle historical facts with internet lore and actually read books?

You are throwing the baby out with the bath water... just because there are mixed influences of Christianity within the Chilam Balam does not make it devoid of Mayan tradition, prophecy, science or substance overall. Some of your information is probably accurate, but your interpretation is not.

But you are entitled to your own views...

~Namaste
edit on 2-5-2012 by SonOfTheLawOfOne because: (no reason given)



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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I've got some work to do around the house today so I won't be able to address all of your points right now. Hopefully this evening I'll have time to pull some sources together. However, I can easily provide a source for my claims regarding H'unab K'u and the Books of Chilam Balam. In 2010 the highly esteemed Dr. William F. Hanks published a book looking at how Mayan beliefs changed after the arrival of the Spanish titled Converting Words: Maya in the Age of the Cross. This is what Hanks has to say regarding the Books of Chilam Balam.


“it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the Tizimin […] is a statement about Christianity and the Chilam Balam is telling Maya people to convert. The lost and abandoned gods to be forgotten are none other than the Maya divinities labeled false and idolatrous by the missionaries, and the ‘true God’ is the triune God […]. The author of these words was either Christian or intimately familiar with the language of Christianity”



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:02 AM
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I have been 100% right about my predictions, 99% unsure why, 1% undeniable evidence where the info came from . Beleave what you want. I am not an elite but I know history from expirience. If you don't beleave in a soul and spirit, you will never understand how the great father, impregnated you into the old mother because, you are conditioned to be close minded by your peers. An asthetic life is a lonly life, but its one way to understand the universe around you. I said there will be a black prez and, he will be ignored by the ignorant. This last prediction deals with the war on class and race, neither side will win due to the fact of outside influences most of you troll about.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:09 AM
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To prepare I have been working out, just in case I have to walk hundreds of miles. Also, me and my wife have several fishing poles to ensure our family is well fed. That's all you need, good health and fishing gear. Thats it.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Xcalibur254
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I've got some work to do around the house today so I won't be able to address all of your points right now. Hopefully this evening I'll have time to pull some sources together. However, I can easily provide a source for my claims regarding H'unab K'u and the Books of Chilam Balam. In 2010 the highly esteemed Dr. William F. Hanks published a book looking at how Mayan beliefs changed after the arrival of the Spanish titled Converting Words: Maya in the Age of the Cross. This is what Hanks has to say regarding the Books of Chilam Balam.


“it is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the Tizimin […] is a statement about Christianity and the Chilam Balam is telling Maya people to convert. The lost and abandoned gods to be forgotten are none other than the Maya divinities labeled false and idolatrous by the missionaries, and the ‘true God’ is the triune God […]. The author of these words was either Christian or intimately familiar with the language of Christianity”


That's fine, and I don't disagree with your cited source, that is exactly what I just stated in my post, so we agree.

My complaint is that you can't JUST take what one author is saying and ignore the entire Chilam Balam, because it wasn't completely re-written by the Spanish. That is not how they assimilated the Mayans, otherwise it would have a much bloodier battle than it was. They had to keep certain aspects of Mayan tradition in tact to avoid a complete rebellion, so they allowed much of the Mayan's beliefs to remain, only interwove the Christian beliefs and ideas into it. Many scholars have picked apart the semantics and syntax of the words used in the books to determine what had major Spanish influence versus what originated in Mayan tradition. This is why I said you can't throw the baby out with the bath water. There are still priceless pieces of information in those books which even after the Spanish, remained because of how important they were to the Mayan people.

I understand that you are probably as frustrated as I am about how the Mayan's beliefs were twisted around a new age concept by a few influential people, but I feel as though you are discounting the accuracy of some of that information in lieu of the perpetrators of it, and that shouldn't be the case. There is a ton of accurate interpretations of the Maya that show how advanced they were, regardless of how one believes they got that way, and so we can't be so quick to discount what they did or said.

~Namaste



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:32 AM
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I think I am prepared

After Dec. 21st comes Dec 22nd right?

Yeah I think i'll be good



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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A simple question for everyone who is just so damn certain that something is going to happen on the _____ day of the _____month in 2012. Because, you know, some people said so.

What if it doesn’t? What if we go into 2013 and things ain’t changed a bit?

Is your belief system going to be rocked so violently that you become lost?

Or will you continue to peddle, what I perceive, as “Doom Porn”?



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by BIGPoJo
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To prepare I have been working out, just in case I have to walk hundreds of miles. Also, me and my wife have several fishing poles to ensure our family is well fed. That's all you need, good health and fishing gear. Thats it.


My instinct told me to buy a bug out plan just recently

Do you have your Survival / Preppers Kit ready ?? Time to share mine

Dont want to be caught having nothing usefull

Tried to influence my parent to buy and stock food
Cans,Pasta,Beans,Flour and many water bottles

So far all my father is obsessed with is buying more wine
he already have a couple hundreds in his wine cave
and hundreds of toilette paper and kleenex box
but NO FOOD



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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May 20th is not exactly halfway. There are 366 days in 2012 because of the leap year. Dec 21 is julian day 356; half of which is 178 (June 26).

There is a super moon this weekend, an eclipse on May 20, and the Venus transit of the Sun on June 6th. I am sure we are all in for mother nature's wild ride.

I also agree that the Elite know what is going on. It is no coincidence that the NATO summit is in Chicago on May 20 and The Queen's Diamond Jubilee is June 2-5.



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Until we know exactly whats coming how can we prepare? It could be a physical change or a spiritual one. Until then just be!



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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How about some sources there almighty one?

Your sources please?

From here we learn about Hunbatz Men, one guy.
badarchaeology.wordpress.com...

The leader of the Maya Itzá Council and its representative in the Council of World Elders is a Maya named Hunbatz Men. The pronouncements of the Council seem to be taken seriously by UFO buffs and alternative spiritual practitioners.

You can read more about this guy and his travel with the fake crystal skulls and the fake Mayan codices.

en.wikipedia.org...

The earliest known reference to the term "Hunab Ku" (which translates as "Sole God" or "Only God") appears in the 16th century Diccionario de Motul, where "Hunab-ku" is identified as "the only living and true god, also the greatest of the gods of the people of Yucatan.



Lastly, your understanding of the long count calendar is also wrong.

Not sure where you got your mistaken ideas about the long count. I'm sure it was some 2012 new ager.


See how that works when you don't mangle historical facts with internet lore and actually read books?

So is this from Jenkins or some other writer that has mangled the facts?



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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Perhaps you could be a bit more specific about "what's coming" before you ask people is they are prepared. Nobody really seems to know what is coming. Just a bunch of speculation.



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