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Five Arrested For Allegedly Trying to Blow Up Ohio Bridge

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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by Sahabi
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These guys originally wanted to knock down some business signs. The FBI gets involved, supplies a fake bomb, and all of a sudden knocking downs signs turns into blowing up a bridge?


If he wanted to knock off the signs,he would have just done that! If this guy was THAT gullible to let the FBI hold his hand,and convince him blowing up a bridge,was a better target,then he NEEDS to be locked up. But As another poster said,it ALL smells fishy. I tend to agree with it. You want this Government to do the right thing,but there's too much Government doing the WRONG thing. You cant trust any of it,even if your moral compass once did......


Sad times we live in.




posted on May, 1 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
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I cant trust ANYTHING,it seems.


Me either.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 10:34 AM
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Okay .. they are definately described as 'anarchists'. Not terrorists. Not Occupy Wall Street May-Day mehem makers ... but anarchists. Not much else except that the FBI undercover guys may have got them to switch targets. Should be interesting to see how this plays out.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:19 AM
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Too many times the media gets these press releases from the agencies, don't question anything, (at lesst they don't seem to) and voila! We get the Christmas underwear bomber, and tighter TSA guidelines, people may have liquid explosives, now we can't bring a bottle of water on the planes, cruise liners will be next but oh wait! There's more! Occupy movements on May Day? Let's scare the people. More white powder, and what's this? The evil doers that are protesting got serious, thank god we stopped these guys from blowing up a bridge that we have been trying to get money to fix!
To me, what the FBI and the other agencies have been doing is playing one long psyop on the American people. So they can continue to erode our freedoms and keep us scared. The last few cases seem like total entrapment. But I am not a LEO. ok, tinfoil hat coming off now.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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The public was never in danger from the explosive devices, which were inoperable and controlled by an undercover FBI employee, according to sources close to the investigation.


Read more: www.foxnews.com...


Always slightly suspicious when the security services were operating and controlling the explosive devices.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:35 AM
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To all the suspisious minded out there.

They will get a trial by a JURY OF THEIR PEERS.

So if they feel it was entrapment these idiots will go free.
Would you rather the FBI let another Tim Mcveigh slip through?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 01:21 PM
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I want to question the wording of this.

Why do they use anarchists, instead of domestic terrorist?

The way they like to throw around terrorism, it just seems that the anarchist title does not quite seem as fitting as the word terrorist. I don't know, maybe I am reading something into it. TPTB are usually very careful with the words they use and this seems a bit off if you ask me.

ETA: Or in this case, if they used the word terrorist, Obama would have to use his NDAA power?
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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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According to an affidavit filed by FBI agent Ryan Taylor, the group was infiltrated by a paid informant. Over the course of several months, its members discussed in recorded conversations a number of potential targets, including Federal Reserve banks, a train, a federal counterterrorism center and a neo-Nazi or Ku Klux Klan office, the affidavit said. One of the suspects allegedly envisioned using smoke grenades as a distraction to topple financial-institution signs on high-rise buildings in downtown Cleveland.


So the FBI always has to be there to encourage and make the explosive materials available?


Authorities say the group eventually agreed to pay $50 apiece for eight one-pound bricks of what they thought were plastic explosives from the undercover agent. They allegedly planned to attack the Route 82 Brecksville-Northfield High Level Bridge, which passes over the Cuyahoga Valley National Park, the affidavit said.


Entrapment

online.wsj.com...

I live near Cleveland so I can imagine my family driving over the bridge. If they were seriously considering to do it even with the help of an FBI informant... still means they're crazy and potentially dangerous. I don't care how much someone tried to get me to blow up a bridge, I WOULD NOT DO IT. They still have a terrorist/willing to kill innocent people mindset... entrapment or not. They get a trial so..





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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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www.techdirt.com...


NYTimes Realizes That The FBI Keeps Celebrating Breaking Up Its Own Terrorist Plots
from the not-quite-as-impressive dept

Over the last few years, we've noticed that nearly every victory the FBI celebrates against terrorism is actually about stopping its own terrorist plots that it feeds to hapless individuals, often nudging them and pushing them down the road to "become" terrorists, despite commonly displaying little to no aptitude for actual terrorism...

...As the article makes clear, claims of entrapment rarely work in these cases, but it certainly raises questions about whether the FBI is actually protecting us from real plots or spending time creating publicity stunts that leave some people in jail...

...There's no doubt that there are real plots being attempted. But wouldn't the FBI be better off focusing on those, rather than play acting all the time?





posted on May, 1 2012 @ 09:49 PM
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Deny ignorance remember?

That is a giaaant leap. You just assume that it is OWS for absolutely no reason. There is nothing that should ever make you think that except your own bias. The whole point is peaceful protest and they have never strayed from that since they began. It is most likely an isolated group of idiots.

Of course shills like you are out there doing FOX news job for them and trying to blame it on Occupy. What is wrong with you? Seriously?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Exactly. They are doing that probably in anticipation of the Occupy protests. People have seen the Occupiers they know that no one will ever believe they are terrorists and they could never be arrested under those pretenses. However call they can build up stories about anarchists maybe they will have hopes of labeling Occupiers that in the coming months and people will be willing to lock up completely innocent and peaceful protesters, ignorant OP leading the charge.

I would say this is a non story that was completely blown out of proportion. I doubt that a group of anarchists (have anarchists ever pulled off something like this in American history?) could destroy a bridge. Also why on Earth would they want to? I bet it was a bunch of bored, troubled teens, more akin to columbine than anarchists.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 09:57 PM
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The CIA and FBI have been escalating these things for a couple years now. It is all about pumping their numbers up and keeping fear alive.

It's sad because if they spent their resources helping these people it would probably save a lot of money, wouldn't be a psy op on Americans, and wouldn't ruin the kids life.

Instead we have some punk vandal turned into a "anarchist"/terrorist and now prisoner for life, a town now in fear (extended to America), and the agency funding for their next pull out plot.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 10:58 PM
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Anyone that is willing to blow up a bridge is dangerous. I don't care how much someone encouraged me to blow up a bridge, I'm not going to do it. They were willing to kill innocent people in the area I live in. I am glad they are locked up.


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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Hey,what kind of antidepressants are they taking?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Why do people kill anyone? They just do.

None of the people involved were teenagers. They were all adults.


The suspects were identified as Joshua S. Stafford, 23, and Anthony Hayne, 35, both of Cleveland; Brandon L. Baxter, 20, of nearby Lakewood; Connor Stevens, 20, of suburban Berea; and Douglas L. Wright, 26; of Indianapolis. The charges carry possible penalties of more than 20 years in prison.



The men planted the fake explosives at the base of the bridge, armed them, went to a remote spot and "entered the codes that they thought would blow up the bridge with innocent people traveling over it," Dettelbach said.



www.google.com...

And yes, anarchists have committed acts of terrorism in the USA before.
en.wikipedia.org...
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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow


Instead we have some punk vandal turned into a "anarchist"/terrorist and now prisoner for life, a town now in fear (extended to America), and the agency funding for their next pull out plot.


The problem with this theory is this Gogo.

The punk vandal(s) LET this happen to him. Ignorance,should never be a reason,to do wrong,even if this "theory" was proven factual.



posted on May, 4 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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...and so have Socialists (Weather Underground) and Christians of several sects (Abortion Clinic bombings come to mind). Perhaps Capitalists have been our largest suppliers of domestic terrorism in the last century, however, between massive land grabs that terrorize whole native and local populations, industrial mishaps that destroy lives and livelihoods and of course the all-out disenfranchisement of whole sectors of society.

Be all that as it may, there is nothing inherently violent about any ideology and Anarchism is not removed from this. It is a valid social theory with tenets and dogma and written arguments for how it should or could be implemented. Anarchy in the sense of chaos is not synonymous with the ideology Anarchism and unfortunately most people don't seem to make the case in the media that clears this up. Perhaps Fox news or CNN should consider inviting Noam Chomsky on...however, I've never seen good ol' Noam speak for shorter than 30 minutes and that's hard to condense into those neat little three-minute windows that go for "a good debate" on the cable news channels. He wouldn't get through even half of one of his ironic, detailed side-bars that usually preface his argument before Megan Kelly would tell him they're coming up against a hard break and need to go to commercial.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 12:14 AM
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Anarchists aren't really terrorists. I don't agree with their politics, but people who are into rioting and etc like to align themselves with Anarchy/volunteerism, but they don't know the first thing about it. Calling them anarchists is incorrect, but I'm sure it's intentional.

Also. I understand what you are saying. I don't live far from there, but there are undeniably cases where people that would never do something like that are coaxed into it by the government. Would you feel the same about them if you found out that an agency not only supplied the stuff, but also had an agent talking to them pumping them full of things that depressed them about their lives or made them think they were starting a revolution or something. Politics and hopelessness you know?

What if an agent talked someone into committing suicide and then sold them blanks? Know what I mean? It's the same kind of scenario. We don't know what they are saying. I am not saying yell entrapment and let them go, but maybe getting them help instead.

If it was all their idea and they just wanted the stuff and they hadn't been pushed for months leading up.. then eff em lock them up. I do think it is tremendously #ed up that they were going to blow up the bridge with people on it. So there is clearly something not right with them mentally. I just wonder if locking them up is the answer as opposed to getting them help. I just wonder if they were that bad of people or if they were changed through operations. The FBI and CIA seem to be fluffing their numbers. First it was getting Muslim people to do this kinda stuff, now it's regular joes. We have to assume they are wanting us to fear "regular American" people now for a reason. They have to have us afraid of something. I rarely see them busting cases where they didn't supply the stuff and busting terrorists that had their own cell and own contacts for getting equipment to build these things.

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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 12:29 AM
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I understand and I am not trying to justify their actions at all. I just wonder how much they were manipulated before trying to pull this off. If the agencies involvement was just as a supplier/contact lock them up forever, but if they were in contact with some vandals that wanted to spray paint anarchy around town and they were manipulating them for months and implanting ideas then I think maybe they should be considered for mental help rather than a prison forever.

Also I think it is weird that the FBI was targeting muslim people for these kinds of ops (so they could parade that they stopped a terrorist, though the never seem to stop any that have their own connections for bombs and stuff that aren't FBI and still those attacks don't come), but now they are wanting people to fear these homegrown "anarchists." I've never been one of the FEMA camp/civil war conspiracy guys, but the first step would be getting people to fear their neighbors and be suspicious of everyone.



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Like I said before. I don't buy into the FEMA theories and etc, but think about 9/11 and guantanamo bay. If an attack happened and it was a group of people like these do you think they would say it's isolated or would they use it to scare people enough that they might just look the other way if there was a guantanamo bay for "regular American" citizens?



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