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That "Jesus Heals Cancer" Billboard

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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 07:54 AM
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NZ Herald New Zealand


Complaints about a controversial Napier church billboard claiming 'Jesus heals cancer' have been upheld by advertising officials.

The Equippers Church sign, which also displayed a tally of six to signify the number of people the church claimed had been healed of cancer caused outrage among many people, and sparked an investigation with the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA) after nine complaints were laid.

They argued the advertisement was offensive to people with cancer, misleading, as it lacked proof for the claim, and was socially irresponsible.


So this church claims that they have had miracle healings of cancer in it. They put up a big sign saying that Jesus heals cancer and the insinuation is that it is happening at their church. The complaint against the sign is that "is dangerous and deceptive as it could potentially offer false hope and lure in the vulnerable in their time of illness and sadness" (exact complaint quote from the site).

The Advertising board says the sign is unethical and needs to go.
The Church group says the sign is a fact and is truth and needs to stay.

The Church group replaced the "Jesus Heals Cancer" message with
"Jesus heals every sickness and every disease - Matthew 4:23''

What do you think ATS?

Freedom of speech and the group can say what it wants? They may actually believe they are helping people. (Of course, the increased number of people attending their services and donating money may be a factor)

Or unethical and cruel to people who are suffering and/or who are ignored by God when they ask for miracles? etc etc

Should the church be forced to change their billboard?




posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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jesus healed my impotence!!!

defiantly take it down! what if a hospital put up this billboard?!!!! LAWSUIT!!!!



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:06 AM
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Pretty soon churches won't be able to advertise on there signs outside, free speech is slow eroding away



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:07 AM
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As this is not in the U.S, I guess we can't claim 1st amendment. That being said, why is it not equally offensive that cigarette advertisements are so vague on their cancer causing effects?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:11 AM
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It should be removed. It is making false claim and should fall under the same rules as any other medical device or treatment.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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How do we know it is false? They stated that Jesus heals. Not Their church or pastor or some healer. Wasn't there some written documentation about a person named Jesus that went around healing people? I don't see where the false hope is. They are not saying come to our church to get healed of cancer. Just that Jesus heals.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:22 AM
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I think it would be fair to expect the same of this church that is expected of any entity claiming it has found a cure for any disease or medical condition: prove it.

Were these claims made by a naturopath, a company manufacturing vitamins, or Cancer Centers of America, the same burden of proof would fall upon their shoulders.

This is where science and religion collide - there will be no polite way for science to capitulate to this church without shaking its own foundation.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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As far as I know, if there is any case of someone with cancer being cured by Jesus (or, more correctly, without a know cause), it was most likely investigated by the Catholic Church, as they always investigate cases like that, as if they are considered miracles they will join the list of the officially recognised miracles and can be linked to a specific person that, because of that, may be canonized in the future.

But, even if there are any cancer cures that cannot be attributed to a specific cause and, because of that, can be considered miracles, they cannot really be attributed to Jesus, so I think that the billboard should be removed.

But if Jesus is the name of some doctor that cured at least one cancer case, then it's true and should be left alone.


PS: I think rewording the text a little could be the best solution.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:27 AM
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Should the church be forced to change their billboard?


How about I post up my own billboard proclaiming Jesus Causes cancer...

Jesus is the son of god, and is worshiped as a god. god created the heavens and the earth and every creature within it's realm. A virus is arguably a creature. god created cancer.

Jesus is god.

Jesus causes cancer.

anyone have any problems with that?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:30 AM
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This billboard was put up by a non-Catholic church group so the Catholic church wouldn't be investigating. The Catholic church usually does a very good job. They get all the documentation and they investigate with a 'devils advocate' who tries to debunk the 'miracle'. VERY FEW alleged miracles actually reach the 'approved' stage in the Catholic church.

They wouldn't investigate this group's claims.

Unless the group can somehow prove it, I believe it to be false advertising.
Although I'd bet that they actually believe what they put on the billboard ...



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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They have the right to say it, whether or not it bears validity to all. To some, it could. It's something we truly don't know.

Our country is not run by "mob rule". It's not ours to question or determine whether it should "be taken down".

They are within their rights to say it, valid or not.

Campbell's can say their soup is good for you, can they not? Same thing, only the former is an unknown, and the latter isn't.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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In my opinion, the claim that "Jesus cures cancer" is no different than the commercials claiming "Red Bull gives you wings".

Going to church does not necessarily cure cancer and Red bull does not give you wings.....so it is up to the individual to take that advertisement in whatever way they choose.

I am not going to expect an advertising board to regulate ads that make false claims. It is my responsibility to decide what is true or false.

So I say keep the sign up. It's claims are no more radical than ads for Gatorade, Viagra or any other commercial product.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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I'm sure there are people who would have a problem but don't you agree that freedom of expression is a valid reason for allowing the billboard?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by phishyblankwaters
Jesus is god. Jesus causes cancer.
anyone have any problems with that?

Oh man ... you really just cranked this thread up a notch!


(supposedly) God knows everything .. even down to the number of hairs on your head. God could stop cancer from happening but he allows it. Isn't that the same as causing it? So is God guilty of neglect? And further .... if God stops the cancer that He infact started but doesn't stop other cancers when people pray and pray to Him for cures .. what does that mean?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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In the first-century Church, the gifts of the Spirit (healing, prophesying, tongues, etc.) were all for two things: 1) the edification of the Church, and 2) the proclamation of the power of Jesus Christ to the rest of the world. And the latter was the case especially with healing, which was more often than not a method of showing the power and authority of Christ to a sick and sinful world. So, that being said...
If people are really being healed, then it should be in the interest of the Church to show this power to the world as was done following Pentecost nearly 2000 years ago. In that case, the power of Christ to heal among this congregation will be evident and the sign will be truth, and so it should be allowed to stay.
However, if they cannot heal in view of the outside world, then they are working with a secretive spirit - something the Spirit of God is not. In that case, the sign is deception and should be taken down.

This is similar to what others here are saying, but my reasoning is different. Most people will come at this from a legal standpoint, claiming that what's good for the claims of pharmaceutical companies is good for the claims of faith-healing congregations. Where the Church is concerned, however, it's no longer a matter of evidence or legality...it's a matter of discerning the Spirit of God from deceptive spirits (and deceptive people). Though, on the surface, the two can have similar results.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
If people are really being healed, then it should be in the interest of the Church to show this power to the world as was done following Pentecost nearly 2000 years ago.

To date they have offered no real proof. There may or may not be six people who are cancer free in their church. But at the same time nothing has been revealed about any possible cure from other means .. like surgery or chemo or whatever. At this time it's just a billboard with a claim.

(not that it matters, I DO believe that miracles happen, but I'm skeptical of this billboard claim)



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:50 AM
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The gifts of the Spirit following Pentecost were given for proof. If they can't offer it, then it should be obvious that it's either lies or some deceptive spirit. And, just as an aside, one of my neighbours is claiming this exact same thing...and I've spoken to the man responsible for laying his hands on him and "healing" him of his own cancer. While this man was "in the Spirit," he forgot my name and, better still, forgot Scripture. That says a lot to me right there. And there's a lot of it going around.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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Originally posted by CLPrime
one of my neighbours is claiming this exact same thing...and I've spoken to the man responsible for laying his hands on him and "healing" him of his own cancer.

I'd love to chat with the fella doing the healing.
I have a few medical issues of my own and my requests for miracles have gone unanswered. (so far)
I have met people who have been miraculously cured. So I know it happens.
I'm just doubting what this church is selling .. (at this point)



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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I hate to side with the religious bunch, but even though I don't believe their claim, they have a right to say what they want. If people aren't smart enough to know better, then oh well.

It's no worse than claims by MD Anderson or the other cancer cash cows. Their treatments are about effective as jesus, only with many harmful side effects added.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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I would like to see some stats from members of that church, along the lines of :

How many are still paying their health insurance premiums?? Wouldn't any and all insurance policies be evidence of a 'lack of faith'......an affront to God?

I worked in advertising......there is always a way around the 'truth in advertising' bit, without going with the outright lie or even the questionable claim.....
I would have suggested the alternate " Have cancer? Jesus can help. " ....makes no claims of a cure, does not specify what the help might be, perhaps simply 'peace of mind' could be worth more than a 'cure'.




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