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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 01:33 AM
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Were the Black hand and the Black hundred connected to Marxist Communism??
Leading up to World war one, we have these two secret societies. one connected to Rasputin and the other connected to the Arch Duke. Can this be connected to modern day Communism?


*The Commune was a revolutionary group which governed Paris from March 18 to May 28, 1871

Blanqui belonged to a network of French secret societies which organized and planned the revolutions. Nearly all of those secret societies were outgrowths of Brotherhood activity and were patterned after Brotherhood organizations. Each society had a different function and ideological foundation for drawing people into the revolutionary cause. Although the revolutionary societies sometimes differed in matters of ideology and tactics, they had one objective in common: to bring on the revolution. Many revolutionary leaders participated in several of these organizations simultaneously.

Franz Ferdinand
The Gods Of Eden - 14
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/godseden/godseden14.htm

Marx did not like the romantic conspiratorial character of the secret society network ..... assassins who belonged to a secret occult society called the “Black Hand.


Cheers ATS History at it's best----
ljb




posted on May, 1 2012 @ 01:56 AM
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Is this the black hundred?

fc08.deviantart.net...

lol



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 02:13 AM
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Originally posted by thehoneycomb
Is this the black hundred?

fc08.deviantart.net...

lol


Hi theh
Eh ep, we are sort of an odd couple.
Like Barry and Dave eh
You make me laugh.
Is good comrade lol ljb



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 02:19 AM
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Hey ljb,
I try

good to see you



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 02:42 AM
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The world has been apocalyptic since RNA attacked DNA.
Are the sheeple the junk dna.
I think not.
Americans have a chance to be unique. They can defeat anything the world hurdles against them. Interestingly enough, most European/Americans came to the shores of the Western Hemisphere seeking relief from the back stabbing covert psychopaths. Australia, South Africa, New Zealand as well.
Great Britain needs a bit of clarification. LOL

The Roman Syndrome need NOT continue.
Hence you and me. LJB



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Were the Black hand and the Black hundred connected to Marxist Communism??
Leading up to World war one, we have these two secret societies. one connected to Rasputin and the other connected to the Arch Duke. Can this be connected to modern day Communism?



The Russian Black Hundred were hostile to Communists so outside of shooting them during the Civil War and no doubt hating the guts of Communists before, there isn't any connection, and the Black Hand seemed to far more interested in unifying Serbia then you know bringing about the workers paradise.

So no, they are about relevant to modern day Communism as Kasier Wilhelm was.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by Koffee

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Were the Black hand and the Black hundred connected to Marxist Communism??
Leading up to World war one, we have these two secret societies. one connected to Rasputin and the other connected to the Arch Duke. Can this be connected to modern day Communism?



The Russian Black Hundred were hostile to Communists so outside of shooting them during the Civil War and no doubt hating the guts of Communists before, there isn't any connection, and the Black Hand seemed to far more interested in unifying Serbia then you know bringing about the workers paradise.

So no, they are about relevant to modern day Communism as Kasier Wilhelm was.


Hi Kof
One thing you will have to admit here is The Manifesto had been circulating around for some fifty years amongst these folks.
Am I trying to establish a link? Yes I am. Thank you for your opinion.
An attempt for me is better than something gross being swept under the rug of history.
What can you tell us about the French Commune?? Sounds sorta socialistic.
the best ljb



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by Koffee

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Were the Black hand and the Black hundred connected to Marxist Communism??
Leading up to World war one, we have these two secret societies. one connected to Rasputin and the other connected to the Arch Duke. Can this be connected to modern day Communism?



The Russian Black Hundred were hostile to Communists so outside of shooting them during the Civil War and no doubt hating the guts of Communists before, there isn't any connection, and the Black Hand seemed to far more interested in unifying Serbia then you know bringing about the workers paradise.

So no, they are about relevant to modern day Communism as Kasier Wilhelm was.


Hi Kof
One thing you will have to admit here is The Manifesto had been circulating around for some fifty years amongst these folks.
Am I trying to establish a link? Yes I am. Thank you for your opinion.
An attempt for me is better than something gross being swept under the rug of history.
What can you tell us about the French Commune?? Sounds sorta socialistic.
the best ljb



French Commune a short lived socialist government that got crushed by rest of France after its defeat of the Franco-Prussian War. It was crushed by a nationalist government, though in France and Germany there was socialists (who were basically co-opt by the system) involved in their political system but if the communists had their way they wouldn't be fighting each other but the capitalists within the system. If I may suggest if you're interested in seeing where communist thought was during the World War 1 period, I would focus later on stuff like the actual German communist party.

Just to make it pretty clear, World War 1 wasn't a communist conspiracy, the communists were not in power, and the key decisions that were made that lead to war was basically German and Russian military mobilization, which set the train-wreck in motion. In case you want a book recommendation on how that came to be the classic in the field is Guns of August In case you want a good short book on the rise of communism and how it took over Russia, Shelia Fitzpatrick's Russian Revolution is good read for beginners.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:55 AM
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Thank you Koffee.
I may be found wrong. And that's Ok
But you know as well as I do wars and MAJOR assassinations are not that philosophically simple.
What about Rasputin?



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 04:04 AM
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Originally posted by longjohnbritches
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Thank you Koffee.
I may be found wrong. And that's Ok
But you know as well as I do wars and MAJOR assassinations are not that philosophically simple.
What about Rasputin?


Everything I have read, suggested he was a clever peasant holy-man that got his clutches into the royal family. Interesting figure personally, but highly unlikely from what I know about him, that he was part of a communist conspiracy, the Tsar was dolt enough on his own to get himself into trouble to lose his position.



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by Koffee

Originally posted by longjohnbritches
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Thank you Koffee.
I may be found wrong. And that's Ok
But you know as well as I do wars and MAJOR assassinations are not that philosophically simple.
What about Rasputin?


Everything I have read, suggested he was a clever peasant holy-man that got his clutches into the royal family. Interesting figure personally, but highly unlikely from what I know about him, that he was part of a communist conspiracy, the Tsar was dolt enough on his own to get himself into trouble to lose his position.


Yes I am sure he could be his own thread. When I wake up I will see if he has one right here on ATS.
Nite kof ljb



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 08:59 AM
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Yes koffee
Looks like Rasputin has more than one thread here on ATS.
I can't seem to get the links to work. They are here and there is plenty discussion about Communistic connections. Although some what obscure as you mention.

later ljb
edit on 5/1/2012 by longjohnbritches because: links



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 10:18 AM
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Hi Koffee I see what you mean about Germany
German Social Democratic Party
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERsdp.htm

German Social Democratic Party
The German Social Democratic Party (SDP) was established in 1875 with the publication of its Gotha programme. The programme was a mixture of the ideas of Karl Marx and Ferdinand Lasselle. Its originally leaders included Ferdinand Bebel and Wilhelm Liebknecht.

In the 1877 General Election in Germany the SDP won 12 seats. This worried Otto von Bismarck, and in 1878 he introduced an anti-socialist law which banned Social Democratic Party meetings and publications.

After the anti-socialist law ceased to operate in 1890, the SDP grew rapidly and in 1912 the party won 110 seats in the Reichstag. Led by Ferdinand Bebel, Karl Kautsky, Friedrich Ebert, and Eduard Bernstein, the SDP was now the largest political party in Germany. During the First World War a group of members led by Kurt Eisner left to form the Independent Socialist Party (USPD).

In October, 1918, Max von Baden invited right-wing members of the SDP to join his coalition government. On 9th November Friedrich Ebert took power and during the German Revolution he called in the German Army and the Freikorps to deal with the extreme left. Ebert was now condemned as a traitor by the Independent Socialist Party and the German Communist Party.

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It seems to me that Marxist Socialism is the father of Communism and most likly a MAJOR player in the onset of WW 1.

Here is a little of what is going on in Austria that is contemporary with Germany just prior to WW 1

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The Austrian School's Critique of Marxism - Eugen-Ma...
mises.org/daily/5114

Apr 12, 2011 ... According to Mises, socialism would be bound to fail not because of morality but because of insuperable intellectual difficulties.

He came to the conclusion that "not for one day could the [socialist] economic state of the future be administered according to any such reading of value." For Wieser, "in the socialist theory of value pretty nearly everything is wrong" (cf. Wieser 1889/1893, pp. 64–66). Johann von Komorzynski extended the analysis to political science: he distinguished between a "true," "philanthropic socialism," and a "delusory socialism" aimed purely at class interests (Komorzynski 1893).

After the posthumous editing of the third volume of Das Kapital (1895), two in-depth contributions of the Austrian School marked the temporary cessation of its critique of Marxism. In one perceptive essay, Komorzynski tried to prove that Marxist theories were "at the greatest possible odds with the real economic processes." The contradiction stemmed "from the basic principle, not from the utopian thinking" (Komorzynski 1897, p. 243). In his famous Zum Abschluß des Marxschen Systems (1896) (Karl Marx and the Close of His System, 1949), Böhm-Bawerk summarized his previous critique and came to the conclusion — based on the well-known contradictions between the first two and the third volumes of Das Kapital — that the final Marxist theory "contains as many cardinal errors as there are points in the arguments." They "bear evident traces of having been a subtle and artificial afterthought contrived to make a preconceived opinion seem the natural outcome of a prolonged investigation" (Böhm-Bawerk 1896/1949, p. 69). "The Marxian system," according to Böhm-Bawerk,





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