reply to post by TruthSeekerMike
Ive studied a lot too regarding the early roman pontificates and their role in the bastardisation of the message of Christ etc..but personally..I keep
coming back to a simple truth, that Jesus, when he called them to serve, said to follow HIM; that Jesus said HE would build HIS church on this rock.
would...not the popes or even the apostles ( as evidenced when Jesus called Peter an adversary/satan in the biblical account...Jesus
(appeared to know) or already knew what Peter would do with the gold laid at his feet by repentant ( after Jesus's death) local nobilities, and how he
would be used by the romans to subvert the message/gospel).
So if HE is doing it..why are people following 'church leaders'? Why arent they following Him? Why is their faith ' in the 'church' and in church
doctrine, and not in Jesus?
Why do they rely on the ( humanly manipulated and several times reinterpreted) bibles words and not the spirit of Jesus himself?
If those biblical words are truth, then even they lead you to that Spirit..as that was what was left for us to find...so why believe instead of act on
his teachings and so, learn and know his spirit and The Way and Life for yourself?
Given the infancy of my own journey of action rather than believing, I could never intelelctually or spiritualy explain that oddity to myself with any
success..I had to let go of people too....but it still bugs me, even given the human need to belong and the sharing of a faith etc...as it never made
sense to me, why otherwise rational people would enter into wilfull religous and spiritual slavery.
A lot of people seem to be questioning their beliefs lately..and I think this is a very good thing. I do see many people who've been following
church/religious doctrines instead of the message of Christ are being given a wake up call as to what they have really been believing 'in'. Its
always hard to question indoctrination..but I hope more do..and so..become open to possibilities beyond doctrine.
Here is the original Lords Prayer in Aramaic...
As an example of how religous groups twist a simple premise..there's no better.
If you like, are game, compare it yourself to the roman catholic version. This one, like Jesus, has no power or fear mongering overtones..has a
cosmological view ie: no limited gender based view of God or The One who sent Jesus...is quietly wise, has no impolite demand for God to 'feed us"
...says nothing of cowering fear or demands for fear or repentance ' or else'...it just exudes love..respect...compassion...acceptance...everything
Christs own life implied was essential to a spiritual way of life. It also speaks to mankind having a purpose...it doesnt diminsh us to cowering
slaves of gods..rather it elludes to the notion we are part of a universal flow of life to and from 'The One' that Jesus came from....the
progenitors/birthers of all life in the cosmos.
Shrugs..given how hard those things are..( love respect compassion and acceptance)...its not the easier softer way by any means..as it does require
maturity and a challenging of self and belief...but to me this early interpretation is certainly a more respectful ( of life and God/The father and
mother) and a more fulfiling less self absorbed way of living and believing....this one makes us a part of 'it'..of something bigger..the roman
catholic one..reduces us..seperates us from 'it' entirely.
Lords Prayer Original Aramaic
Translation by Neil Douglas-Klotz in Prayers of the Cosmos
O Birther! Father- Mother of the Cosmos
Focus your light within us - make it useful.
Create your reign of unity now-
through our fiery hearts and willing hands
Help us love beyond our ideals
and sprout acts of compassion for all creatures.
Animate the earth within us: we then
feel the Wisdom underneath supporting all.
Untangle the knots within
so that we can mend our hearts' simple ties to each other.
Don't let surface things delude us,
But free us from what holds us back from our true purpose.
Out of you, the astonishing fire,
Returning light and sound to the cosmos.
Regardless of what your believing or living I supose..it's all good eventually...and I figure that out of piles of shi*t..beautiful roses grow
edit on 2-5-2012 by Rosha because: editing