Originally posted by JimOberg
far from being the outlier exception, it appears to be the standard pattern of the human perceptual process when confronted with this unusual
[literally once in a lifetime] visible stimulus.
Now you're just making things up, Jim. The wild witness exaggerations you keep pointing people towards are the exception
, not the rule.
That's what's been found. See William K. Hartman's Section VI Chapter 2 of the Condon Report -- around p.951 of the NCAS's version -- regarding
the ZondIV re-entry, or see Hartman's comments beginning at 15:18 in this clip
. (A surprisingly
excellent video which Orkojoker brought to the forum's attention just a few weeks back.)
Is there any research you can cite which suggests that these drawings you keep referring people towards are the RULE and not the exception?
Are any of the drawings you reference from witnesses who were 400 or 500 km from the object?
And why have you never answered this very important question: how big would the 'debris swarm' appear to be from those kinds of distances? What
angular size (in both directions)? I've now asked you this twice, directly. I suspect there's a reason you don't want to answer that....
And how long would the "spectacular re-entry light show" portion of the rocket's flight have lasted? (Ted Molczan's words.) Every re-entry video I
can find LOOKS exactly like a re-entry, and the fireworks last for a minute, maybe 90 seconds.
The above two questions are why I've asked you to point us towards a video of a re-entry, from those same distances, of similar space hardware.
You might also want to take a look at H. Zimmer's data
again, and pay
particular attention to the azimuth and especially elevation values. In this Yukon terrain, hilly and filled with tress, that re-entering rocket
would've not even been visible from some of the other Fox Lake witness locations (pretty precisely known), or visible for only maybe 30 seconds for
others. So the re-entry explanation only makes sense if you completely ignore Fox1, 2, 3 and 6, and others. And that's why only Fox4 and Fox5 are
considered in these reports, right? Because they're the only ones whose descriptions can possibly be made to fit.
Now, one last time:
1) Can you point anyone to a video which approximates how this breakup would appear from 400 to 500 km?
2) How big would the debris swarm appear to be from locations 400 to 500 km away?
3) How long would the "spectacular re-entry light show" portion of the rocket's flight have lasted?
(It'd also be good to know at what altitude the light show would've begun. I see different numbers, depending on the particulars of the re-entering
hardware, but always 72 to 84km. I honestly don't know for this type of booster rocket, and can only trust your expertise on that.)
Jim, I don't want to be combative here, but if you want to appear to be treating this topic honestly, then you should finally address these questions
regarding THIS case. If you do not address them -- if instead you just keep pointing people towards unrelated drawings and talking about the general
unreliability of witness testimony -- then we'll know for certain that you're being honest about how well this explanation fits in THIS case.
Answer the questions, please. YOU are the one who keeps straying off topic.