The Catholic Church brings back indulgences, can you buy your way to heaven w/ the root of all evil?

30 Antigonish diocese properties for sale
Last Updated: Thursday, September 9, 2010 | 11:18 PM AT CBC News

Antigonish diocese begins property sales
Antigonish diocese to sell hundreds of properties
N.S. diocese sells property for abuse payments
N.S. bishop wanted on child porn charges
Court approves $15M church sex-abuse deal
N.S. church parishes to pay in sex-abuse settlement More than two dozen church properties are now on the market in Cape Breton and northeastern Nova Scotia to raise money for a multi-million dollar settlement with victims of sexual abuse by priests.

Rev. Paul Abbass, a spokesman for the diocese of Antigonish, said 30 properties — from ball fields to old parish halls and unoccupied priests' houses — are on the market so far.

One of the most visible properties on sale is the Diocesan Pastoral Centre in downtown Sydney, which houses administrative and pastoral offices for the Catholic Diocese of Antigonish.

"It was our intention that given the suffering and the struggles of the parishes, that we felt that one of the first properties that should be put out there is a diocesan property," Abbass told CBC News.

"We do appreciate that there is sacrifice involved here, just as there will be sacrifice for our staff in the pastoral centre … so that was the first property, in fact, that we put out on the market."

The diocese needs to raise $18 million to cover a $15-million settlement reached last August with victims of sexual abuse by priests dating back to 1950. Another $3 million is needed for claims by six other people.

The settlement with abuse victims was negotiated by Raymond Lahey, the former bishop of the diocese of Antigonish. He has since been charged with possessing child pornography.

The landmark deal was hailed as the first time the Roman Catholic Church apologized and set up a compensation package for people who claimed they were sexually abused by priests, without fighting the charges in court.

400 properties to be sold off

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now not to get into the actual crimes, but here is indication that the church needs to raise money...plus I wonder how was the church effected by the derivitive and banking scandals?
would this not be a reason to bring absolvences back into the puplic eye?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Danbones

 

Good God. We're heading back to the medieval feudal days. Un-freaking-believable.

Thanks for posting this. Maybe I'll start wearing my Renaissance garb around town instead of just at the festival.

*facepalm*

Well, let's hope they don't go back to murdering Christians also in the Inquisitions. They already have the blood of 18+ million on their hands.

well, there is a point not often made re the inquisition:
most of the people affected were christians..
ETA
just a thought here:
I wonder how the fear of inquisition affected the church coffers?

To me, it's always been about buying your way in. Why have tithing?
Group of old men thinking: "Hmmm, What's a good way of getting them to support us so we don't have to do any work"
One speaks up and says:"I know!" 'We tell'em GOD wants them to!'
Others: Yeah! "That's good, they'll believe that one!"

The more you give, the holier you are.
Catholic church keeps getting richer.

Salvation is a gift that can not be merited or purchased...
...this is just business/corporate greed.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
the pope will not be able to make an error because of what Christ said in scripture .. Matthew 16:18 ... to Peter who was the first pope ... 'You are Peter, the Rock, and upon this rock I shall build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Whatever you hold bound on earth will be bound in heaven, and what ever you let lose on earth will be let lose in heaven" ....

I am saddened that you, a representative of the minority catholic faith, would resort to lies and misinterpretations of the Holy words to support your contentions.

"18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

It is 'Upon this rock I will build my church', not upon Peter, even though in greek, peter means rock. 'This rock' is our planet.

"19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."

"I will give you key" does not mean Peter had the key.

22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

24Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
25 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.
26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Did the Messiah at any time appointed Peter in a clerical position, when Peter was as flawed as any other mortal? 3 times Peter denied knowing the Messiah while he hung on the cross, and 3 times the resurrected Messiah had to ask him if he love him and remind him to feed his sheep(Christians),without questioning the other remaining 10 disciples.

Pay one's way to heaven? It's a joke, if not an abomination to religion.

reply to post by Danbones


Yehaa for an egg you can be forgiven for swearing near chirch, for a pile of silver you can be free to do whatever you want to who ever you want and still get into heaven REALLY? its back? Indulgences wow.

I guess they need to add money to coffers in order to repay for the loses due to the touchy feely priests (and pope?) I love catholics, but much like OUR leaders in the US, THE LEADERS ARE NUTS.

I hope the inquestion comes back, I got alot of questions to ask.... with a head clamp

Ohh ohh AND lets bring back witchburning!!!! I got this evil looking lady on my block.... who has a cat......

wow I hope Petras Romanas is real.

Originally posted by Danbones

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Danbones

 

Good God. We're heading back to the medieval feudal days. Un-freaking-believable.

Thanks for posting this. Maybe I'll start wearing my Renaissance garb around town instead of just at the festival.

*facepalm*

Well, let's hope they don't go back to murdering Christians also in the Inquisitions. They already have the blood of 18+ million on their hands.

well, there is a point not often made re the inquisition:
most of the people affected were christians..
ETA
just a thought here:
I wonder how the fear of inquisition affected the church coffers?

Want to know what's truly sad? Most of the killings were for people trying to translate and produce Bibles in the common language of the people. And to build schools and train people to read who were kept illiterate by the RCC. To give them the Word of God and to give them the necessary tools to be able to read it for themselves. The RCC was terrified their strangle-hold on the laity would be shook. They also murdered scores of people for wanting to be baptized after they believed, and didn't want to baptize unbelievers.

To this day there hangs a mural in the Vatican commemorating the murder of 100,000+ Christians in a single day.

reply to post by merkej23

Ohh ohh AND lets bring back witchburning!!!! I got this evil looking lady on my block.... who has a cat......

She didn't by chance turn you into a newt did she?

Like I said ... this belongs in off topic religion. :shk:

Originally posted by benrl
And thats why I love Catholics, they wont site the Bible,..

You didn't read the links. The bible is quoted all over the freak'n place.
But keep in mind ... the bible is not 'all inclusive'.
Mark 4:33 - "with many such parables he spoke the word to them" \
(so many parables are not recorded)
Mark 6:34 "He began to teach them many things."
(none of these many things are recorded here.)
John 16:12 "I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now"
John 20:30 "Now, Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in the book. "
John 21:25 "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; were every one of them to be written, I suppose that the world itself could not contain the books that would be written."
1 Corinthians 11:2 "I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.
2 Thessalonians 2:15: "Stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter."
2 Thessalonians 3:6 "Keep away from any brother who is living in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us."
ORAL teachings 'handed down" becoming traditional -
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 "I preached to you the gospel, which you recieved, in which you stand, by which you are saved, if you hold it fast - unless you believed in vain"
1 Corinthians 11:2 "Maintain the traditions ... even as I have delivered them to you"
2 Thessalonians 2:15"hold to the traditions ... taught .. by word of mouth or by letter."
2 Thessalonians 3:6 "... the tradition that you received from us."
etc etc etc

things like Nuns and Priest not marrying (hows that working out?)

Being celebate does NOT cause pedophilia or homosexuality :shk:

Confessing to a MAN.

Educate yourself. People confess to GOD.
Catechism of the Catholic Church - confession
Catholic Answers - Confession - what the early church believed

All I can say is the bible is fairly simple to read, and fairly simple to interpret,.

Different people interpret the bible in different ways. And frankly ... the bible is a freak'n mess. It's full of contradictions, myths, and legends, as well as stolen pagan religious works from the Egyptians and the Summerians. And it can easily be cherry picked to make it sound whatever way the person with the agenda wants it to sound like.

The bible isn't the 'end all' when it comes to truth. Not even close.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
And they attack Protestants for "sola scriptura" doctrine.

Because 'sola scriptura' isn't scriptural.

reply to post by SeekerofTruth101

It is 'Upon this rock I will build my church', not upon Peter, even though in greek, peter means rock. 'This rock' is our planet.

It's actually word play in the Greek that doesn't show up in the English. Jesus calls Peter "petros" which is a tiny pebble, Jesus said the "rock" (petras, a foundation stone) HE would build HIS church upon was what Peter said, not Peter.

"You are the Christ, the Son of the Living God."

reply to post by FlyersFan

Because 'sola scriptura' isn't scriptural.

Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us in all things. I think Jesus knew what He was talking about. He also said if anyone were to be great amongst us they would be serving us. And "Nicolatians" is a transliterated Greek word, meaning:

Nikos = To rule/conquer. From the root "Nike"

Latia = laity. The people

Jesus says He absolutely hates leaders who rule over the people in His church. He is the Head of His church, we are the body.

I always wondered about where the term SALTPETER came from.

Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
I am saddened that you, a representative of the minority catholic faith, would resort to lies and misinterpretations of the Holy words to support your contentions.

1 - I am not a 'representative of the minority Catholic faith'
2 - Catholics are not 'the miniority' when it comes to Christians in the world.
3 - I did not lie or use 'misinterpretations' of scripture. I stated exactly what the Catholic church believes and why they believe it. If you don't agree with their interpretation, that's fine. But don't say I'm telling lies. That's absurd.
4 - :shk: :shk: :shk:

"It is 'Upon this rock I will build my church', not upon Peter, even though in greek, peter means rock. 'This rock' is our planet.

You are free to interpret the bible to read that way if you wish.
Catholics have interpreted it differently.

Did the Messiah at any time appointed Peter in a clerical position, when Peter was as flawed as any other mortal?

- OF COURSE people are flawed. But God still uses them.
- The Catholics believe that Matthew 16:18 does indeed show Christ appointing Peter as head of His church.
- As always, you are free to interpret that otherwise. No one is stopping you. Have at it.

Pay one's way to heaven? It's a joke, if not an abomination to religion.

If you had bothered to read the links to what the Catholic church believes, you'd know that they do NOT believe in 'paying ones way to heaven'.

Like I said .. this would degrade into a scripture spitting contest. UGH.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

You are free to interpret that quote as you wish. Catholics have itnerpreted it differently.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
Jesus said the Holy Spirit would teach us in all things.

Find EXACTLY where scripture says ... 'scripture alone'. Good luck with that.
There wasn't a bible for the first 300+ years of Christianity.
The Catholic Church believes the Holy Spirit guides the Catholic Church
and that it can't make a doctornal error because of the promise in Matthew 16:18
That's their interpretation. You are free to interpret it differently.

I think Jesus knew what He was talking about.

Then you must take His exact words to heart ... right? Afterall, He knows what He's talking about. (sarcasm) You can't cherry pick some words to take literally and others to ignore. John 6:53 "AMEN AMEN unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you." AMEN AMEN = He really means it.

I have to agree with Flyers Fan officially the doctrine is different from the practice it appears.
It does look like a form of "corruption" that makes it a money making operation.

The man operating the mechanism of the church even then could have different motives
for the glory of the church maybe, or for the glory of self...

reply to post by FlyersFan

You are free to interpret that quote as you wish. Catholics have itnerpreted it differently.

You can't argue with the Greek, sorry.

And what does Jesus say here:

"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come."

Did Jesus say "all truth" or "some truth, but you'll need the church for the rest."?

Scripture is the written Word of God. (logos) But Jesus said to live by every "word" (RHEMA) that proceeds out of the mouth of God. We are to live by the Spirit which speaks RHEMA Words to us grounded in the LOGOS written Word.

"But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word (RHEMA) that proceedeth out of the mouth of God." Matthew 4:4


RHEMA = Spoken Word

LOGOS = Written Word


Rhema and Logos

reply to post by FlyersFan

John 6:53 "AMEN AMEN unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you." AMEN AMEN = He really means it.

We take communion as well. In fact we purchase the wafers from the same church supply warehouses and outlets Catholics do. At the last supper Jesus said to do it to "remember Him". Which is what I do every time I take communion. I remember and honor and give glory to His broken body and to His shed blood for my sins.

Go to Romans 9:10-11 or 1 Corinthians chapter 15 and see if communion or baptism is required for justification. Tell me if the thief on the cross was baptized or took the Eucharist. (Remember God is not a respecter of persons)

reply to post by FlyersFan


You should look at what the Bible says about Mystery Babylon the Great, Mother of all Harlots in Revelation who is "drunk with the blood of the martyrs and the saints"

18+ million Christians killed. That's some serious blood to get drunk on. "Mystery Babylon" is that Babylonian trinity concept of a father, a son, and a queen of heaven figure (Nimrod, Tammuz, and Semiramis). This model followed every religious system from Babylon to Rome. When one Empire was captured the priests were taken to the new king and continued their same religion but with new names to suit their new king. When Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Empire the pagan priests removed their amulets and robes and put on crosses and priestly garb and continued teaching the same concepts and just gave them Christian names.

Look at the origins of Christmas and Easter. All from Babylon.

I'd suggest reading "A Woman Who Rides The Beast".

Originally posted by Danbones

These days, you can get a deal on anything. Even salvation! Pope Benedict has announced that his faithful can once again pay the Catholic Church to ease their way through Purgatory and into the Gates of Heaven.

Never mind that Martin Luther fired up the Reformation because of them: Plenary Indulgences are back.

The New York Times reports that even though the church officially broke with the age-old practice — you do something good, and the Church will help absolve you — in 1960, the Pope has quietly reintroduced it.

www.infowars.com...

well ATS what thinkest thou:
can heaven be bought with the devil's debt based currency that is created by the same bankers that it is claimed Jesus was sent here to deliver us from?

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He didn't come to save us from bankers, he came to save us from ourselves and that includes everything, not just bankers.

That being said, no you cannot buy your way into heaven. Trying to buy your way into heaven is like walking over to a gas station and then right in front of the attendant you grab a handful of cash from the drawer to pay for your purchase.

Anyone that ever bothered to read what Christ taught would know that, but the R.C.C. has been editing the roman catholic bible for hundreds of years so those people get suckered into believing whatever the Sith Emperor er...Pope says. The Pope is Christ himself, so they have to do everything he says and believe it .

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

You should look at what the Bible says about Mystery Babylon the Great, Mother of all Harlots in Revelation who is "drunk with the blood of the martyrs and the saints"

18+ million Christians killed. That's some serious blood to get drunk on. "Mystery Babylon" is that Babylonian trinity concept of a father, a son, and a queen of heaven figure (Nimrod, Tammuz, and Semiramis). This model followed every religious system from Babylon to Rome. When one Empire was captured the priests were taken to the new king and continued their same religion but with new names to suit their new king. When Theodosius I made Christianity the official religion of the Empire the pagan priests removed their amulets and robes and put on crosses and priestly garb and continued teaching the same concepts and just gave them Christian names.

Look at the origins of Christmas and Easter. All from Babylon.

I'd suggest reading "A Woman Who Rides The Beast".

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I highly recommend everyone reading the book "The Two Babylons" By Alexander Hislop. I got the link for it and it comes in book form you can buy in any Hastings, Books a Million, or Barnes and Noble.

The Two Babylons