Originally posted by arpgme
I know some people just do not want to ACCEPT that free-will does not exist (at least not here), but it is true.
Guess I am one of those "some people". I think it is a lot more complex than just a yes or a no, everything or nothing.
Your soul already planned it all out before being here and all of your interactions with others - your actions towards them and their
actions towards you...
if this is so,
The only free-will you have is whether you will go with the flow of it or whether you'll resist and get beat up by it
then how is this possible. It is a contradiction. If I resist, does everything still stay the same everywhere else? If I get beat up, how does this
not influence all others around me? It certainly influences me - so my free will caused a change to my plan - resist.
This "plan" for my life that my soul figured out, presupposes that the soul of each other person with which I interact was part of the planning of
this plan, so as to know my actions so that his or her reaction will be the one that I have been programmed to receive. And then when natural events
interfere with my life, that must also be known, so this implies there is no randomness in nature and it too is running according to a planned
schedule. Probably true to some extent, but the sheer extent of this interactive plan starts to look like free will and randomness.
OK, that said. What is free will? Firstly, have my possible choices been determined by everything I have experienced to date? So given a specific
situation, my reaction can probably be predicted from my arsenal of responses. Even me changing my mind at the last minute can simply be a predictable
reaction. Everyone possibly knows someone who always makes a last minute change of mind. So where does the free will fit in?
I would say free will is when we make a decision to act in a way that falls outside the brain's store of interlinked information and potential
reactions. This is where I think pseudo-free will can exist, at least sufficiently obscure to look free - meaning that I make non-logical responses to
Dreams seem to produce situations and reactions that fall right outside one's usual actions and reactions. My thoughts on this is that these weird
dreams are the result of the simple and exhaustive sleeptime housekeeping of the brain, trying to figure out where new info should be stored, and
deciding what necessary indexing links should be established to relate it to other info. So it tests the new info by linking it to all sorts of stored
memories to check the fit, and fleetingly, this testing creates links that make the combination of information become real in a dream, only to vanish
again when the fit is not found to be relevant.
But what is to stop us from making and reacting according to such apparently irrelevant links in our awake, conscious state, probably activated by
some unusual extraneous stimulus (or divine intervention...)? Serendipity? Is this free will or just part of the big plan. This becomes compounded
when more than one brain is involved, probably compounded to the square of the number of souls involved.
OK, at a stretch, possible, BUT
what would the purpose of this be, having no free will? It cannot have a spiritual value as without our free will, we are responsible for - nothing
that we do.
And, does the soul have free will to determine its own life plan? If so, what does this prove if the plan will simply "go according to plan"
irrespective of anything or anyone else (because all outside influences were also part of the plan)? Is it just the experience that the soul adds to
its collection in the case of multiple lives? Why does it need to do this unless it needs to learn something or gain some experience. But since the
plan already determined what it needed to learn and it planned all the related lessons, it must already know what it is planning to learn, if no free
will is involved.
I think I will stick with the free will scenario. It is simpler - and my tongue is tired from being in my cheek for too long ...