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Science hit with double flops in a week: no dark matter around Sun, cosmic rays source not Gamma Ray

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 12:44 AM
Was reading an article which led me to a couple more, thought some viewers might find interesting:

April 23, 2012 – SPACE - Here’s troubling news in the world of astrophysics, in which astronomers can’t seem to find the dark matter. As you may know dark matter is a much-speculated upon, but unknown substance that cannot be seen but appears to exist as it exerts a gravitational force on material around it. Astronomers first posited the existence of dark matter to explain why the outer portions of galaxies rotate quickly, and it now is also an important part of theories that explain how galaxies form and grow. Scientists believe there must be about five times as much dark matter in the universe as normal matter — atoms, planets, you and me. Last week, in a study that didn’t get the attention it probably deserves, astronomers said they could find any dark matter near our Sun. Existing theories predict that the average amount of dark matter in the Sun’s part of the galaxy should be in the range 1 to 2 pounds of dark matter in a volume the size of the Earth. The new measurements found nada. Zip. Zilch.“This is an article that we are going to have to take seriously,” Texas A&M astronomer Nick Suntzeff told me. Which is to say that if dark matter is not where our theories predict it will be, our theories probably have some serious issues.

Mystery of cosmic rays deepens: The mystery of the origin of the strongest cosmic rays has deepened as new clues into key suspects, the most powerful explosions in the universe, suggest they are likely not potential culprits, researchers say. Gamma-ray bursts are the most powerful explosions in the universe. They can emit as much energy as our sun during its entire 10-billion-year lifetime in anywhere from milliseconds to minutes. Some gamma-ray bursts are thought to be collapses of super massive stars — hypernovas — while others are thought to be collisions of black holes with other black holes or neutron stars,” said study co-author Spencer Klein of the U.S. Department of Energy’s Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory. “Both types produce brief but intense blasts of radiation.” New evidence may now rule out gamma-ray bursts as sources of these. Using the IceCube Neutrino Observatory at the South Pole in Antarctica, the boffins watched 300 gamma ray bursts (GRBs) while searching for the neutrinos that are believed to be linked with cosmic ray generation, and found none. “The unexpected absence of neutrinos from GRBs has forced a re-evaluation of the theory for production of cosmic rays and neutrinos in a GRB fireball and possibly the theory that high energy cosmic rays are generated in fireballs.” -Space, Register e-not-gamma-ray-bursts/

Boffins are now even more puzzled about where high-energy cosmic rays come from after a new study showed that gamma ray bursts are probably not to blame.

Astroboffins only had two theories about what causes cosmic rays, which regularly penetrate Earth's atmosphere: huge explosions out in space or supermassive black holes.

Now an international group, made up of no fewer than 250 physicists and engineers, says that the suspected gamma radiation bursts are unlikely to be the source for cosmic rays because they couldn't find any neutrinos emitted from the mother-of-all space bangs they observed.

Cosmic rays are electrically charged subatomic particles with energies of up to one hundred million times more than those created in manmade accelerators such as the Large Hadron Collider. A gamma ray, meanwhile, is high-energy electromagnetic radiation that's harmful to life.

Serious Blow to Dark Matter Theories?
New study finds mysterious lack of dark matter in Sun’s neighbourhood 18 April 2012

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:07 AM
reply to post by snarky412

Reality check...

Now we're able to shift to a more logical theory.

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:01 AM
First of all, let me respond to the OP. The title of this thread is misleading in one respect. It is not science as a whole that has "flopped" twice in a week, but a very limited department within the scientific community. Up and down are still up and down, and sulphuric acid still dissolves material that comes into contact with it, so science is still as valid as ever. Astrophysicists, and particle physicists on the other hand, are scratching thier heads no doubt. Science as a whole however can never "flop" because science does not describe that which is undertaken whilst wearing a lab coat, or performing algebraic gymnastics on a black board.

Science merely describes the way that mankind as a whole learns about the world around him from the time of birth, until the time of death. Trial and error, figuring out the complex physical mechanics of standing up, learning to wire a plug, rebuilding an engine, learning why potash is good for growing crops. These things are all science, and all remain valuable to the species. No flops here.

Besides which, lets remember shall we that in terms of Dark Matter, and Cosmic Rays, we are talking about two of the most mysterious and elusive things that PHYSICS has ever attempted to describe, capture, or identify. This is like trying to prove the identity of Jack the Ripper, or figure out who the man on the grassy knoll might have been. Shadows within darknesses, wrapped up in ebon folds of night. There are bound to be hiccups, cockups, and huge ballsups before the end of thier story is written.

Another thing, to the person who responded first to this thread... your post has no suggested, or apparant link to the OP subject matter... could you clarify precisely what you meant by what you posted?

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:40 AM
reply to post by TrueBrit
That was a very good responce to the op and the guy above you .

It kind of put this thread into a certain perspective that someone like me might be able to follow along in the event more knowledgable members might comment ...tks..peace

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:12 PM
Gamma Ray is atomic nucleus sourced and takes extreme forces to generate.
I did not check all that data.
I saw under various searches:
Moving the K orbit electron into a nucleus proton emits X-rays and neutrino
and easier than tearing the nucleus apart for gamma rays.
So K Capture seems very active in space if we have a lot of X-Rays out there.

Today's scientists haven't even found the Tesla 50x speed of light particles yet.
What are they afraid of. There is a lot about K capture science can tell us
yet they wish to tell us about not finding gamma rays.

edit on 4/30/2012 by TeslaandLyne because: (no reason given)

posted on May, 2 2012 @ 10:33 AM
Science hit with double flops in a week: no dark matter around Sun, cosmic rays source not Gamma Ray Bursts

They look for gravitational dark matter not the stronger + & - charged matter that I might
say most people say is present in atoms and in the makeup of man and the universe.

As for cosmic rays go back to Tesla where the assumption is the existence of very high
potentials goes against scientific rules that even shut down Velikovsky's explanation
of interplanetary lightning bolts. That means charged bodies. Tesla detecting fifty times
the speed of light particles naturally deduces great sending potentials. The entire electrical
composition of the universe is shut down by the elite holders of Tesla's free energy flying
invention based on a plus and minus charged universe. Einstein says charges can't go fast
but in actuality transmission is loss less waves through space.

Basically all these scientific announcements go by the rules finding and measuring things
that avoid forbidden rule breaking determinations.

edit on 5/2/2012 by TeslaandLyne because: (no reason given)


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