Man, this thread is pretty much gonna go nowhere. Since I read through it this far, I'm gonna leave this comment and never come back. People are losing their ability to think objectively about things and come together to find the truth. This is exactly what is, and has been wrong with most of society since the beginning of time. What exactly is so wrong about some guy making a valid point about how the christian religion (and no, he's not picking on christianity because he hates christians and loves all other faiths, it's because christians are the largest religious group in this country, and they are the primary group spreading this kind of hate) in a public school? He didn't "call out" the students who left, he was making a point about the people who get confronted when bullying. Sure, he talked about how the bible is used as an excuse for harassing the gay community, but he sad fact is that people use the bible for that purpose all the time. I think that hiding these discussions from students it one big reason why people fail to learn to think. If somebody came to my school when I was a high school student and made critical comments about ANY of my beliefs, I would use it as a discussion point for finding the truth in the matter with my peers. If what was said is true, then we should come to that conclusion by actual objective discussion; same if it were not true. It's sad when people start making discussions about things like this when they aren't willing to think outside of their own heads. Is it really good to turn the christian kids in the crowd into "victims"? It's this kind of behavior that is producing a country where two opposing viewpoints prevent ANYTHING from getting done. School is supposed to prepare the youth for adult life, not a sheltered arena where nobody can talk about anything that matters to protect a person's beliefs even if they're wrong...

Dan Savage is an intelligent, well spoken beacon of light to the gay community. He's also very funny, and gives great advice.

I think he'd make a fine president.

Too bad some Christians don't seem to realize that the god they so want to suck up to (heh) also made some people gay.

Perhaps it's a population control device, but who are we to second guess creation? Let it be. Hate has no place in a public place of learning and all bullying should be banned.

The real issue that the OP has here is that the non-religionists (ie the people who seem to have a little less trouble thinking rationally) are fighting back against all the hate being spewed under the guise of spirituality.

Originally posted by signalfire
Dan Savage is an intelligent, well spoken beacon of light to the gay community. He's also very funny, and gives great advice.

I think he'd make a fine president.

Too bad some Christians don't seem to realize that the god they so want to suck up to (heh) also made some people gay.

Perhaps it's a population control device, but who are we to second guess creation? Let it be. Hate has no place in a public place of learning and all bullying should be banned.

The real issue that the OP has here is that the non-religionists (ie the people who seem to have a little less trouble thinking rationally) are fighting back against all the hate being spewed under the guise of spirituality.

How about addressing all the hate being spewed under the guise of political correctness?

Hate has no place in a public place of learning, neither does Savage.

Ok I watched this video.

At least toward the end he apologized if he offended people. I don't agree with his views, but it is his right to say what he wants. On that note it was those students right to leave the assembly. I think he could have been a lot subtler in his message and still got his point across, but he ended up just being crass in my opinion.

On a whole, after reading the original post and the replies thereafter, I can certainly say that, while Christians may not be THE MOST prosecuted people this day and age, they ARE still prosecuted to a certain extent. I believe that we should love everybody no matter what they do, and most people don't see that.

Christians see homosexuality as still an abomination, but doesn't that go against Jesus's teachings, about how we should love everybody, even our enemies

And the the LGBT community see all Christians as ignorant gay-basher, because certain extremist's go the extra mile.

Why does each faction have to stick its nose in the others business?

But back to the video, 5 dollars says that the teachers at this school made it a point to make these kids go to this assembly, and the kids were perfectly in the right to walk out, because it's not what they believe in.

I'm pretty sure if Savage had to go to an assembly, and the speaker started talking out against homosexuality, he would have probably got up and walked out as well.

I'm a Christian myself, but I don't condemn anybody on their lifestyle choice. I mean he who is without sin may cast the first stone.

I just don't like that people are hating on the Christians saying they just cling to an old book or some sky-daddy.
The Bible is just a guide, not a state law guide, and even if a person doesn't believe that God is real, doesn't mean that other don't need someone to believe in, and that's why we have faith that he is up there watching over us, because he gives us hope.

Sorry if my thinking offends people on both sides of the argument.
-R-

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by NorEaster
What are you people going to do with your hatred when Obama gets elected to a 2nd term? Start a holy war?

It's pronounced "Jihad".

And no, because Obama would probably take credit for it, unless it failed, then he'd blame it on Bush.

But seriously, you can't hate away hate. As some wiser poster stated in this thread.

That's really weird, all you do is seem to hate with your posts. You insult everything you consider "liberal." Talk about a hypocrite!

Dan Savage definitely doesn't represent the gay community, he does good, and he does bad when he decides to insult people. He is very abrasive and unapologetic when he does things like this. (Or when he had the tranny fiasco a while back.)

Originally posted by xuenchen

Breitbart Story

Breitbart! Stopped reading right there. The man's legacy is one of lies, distortions and viciousness.

May he rest in peace.

Originally posted by Rhynnyn

And the the LGBT community see all Christians as ignorant gay-basher, because certain extremist's go the extra mile.

There are many gay Christians.

There are many Christian churches that accept gays.

There are several denominations now that have gay ministers.

What exactly did Jesus himself say?

Originally posted by signalfire
Dan Savage is an intelligent, well spoken beacon of light to the gay community. He's also very funny, and gives great advice.

There are MANY, LGBT,that don't like Dan Savage.Their are many in the transgendered community also.
Conservative who are Gay,took his comments,as offensive also. If you are going to be an activist,for the LGBT,then leave your political affiliation,at the door. It serves NO purpose,to humiliate ANYONE that doesn't believe in your cause,or your rights. Its Hypocritical .

I'm sorry, I didn't realize that I said there weren't any gay-Christians.

It's just that those are the two main factions fighting each other.

As for what Jesus said
“Jesus replied: '“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.” This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments’" (Matthew 22:37-40).

"But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked” (Luke 6:35).

"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect" (Matthew 5:43-48).

those are just a few, but in general all of his words were a message of love.
-R-