Originally posted by Nite_wing
Those who have guns are less easily controlled by government.
Every dictatorship I have heard of outlaws guns first.
I cant believe that people still repeat the same 'false' statement.
Just to look at the 3rd Reich, the NRA fans and others always claim that Hitler took the guns away. Absolutely false. i am originally from Europe and
I grew up with guns, I love guns even and can spend hours ate a gun show, war museum etc. Weapns fascinate me. However I absolutely dislike the USA
way of going about gun ownership.
Back to the 3rd Reich.
Neither Germany nor Austria, the two becoming ONE after 38, had a people standing naked without guns. Guns can be found everywhere. I trained 1st on
air rifle at a altar boy summer camp at age 8. Any scout camp, church camp etc has guns to educate young people intheir use, Air rifles and 22.cal
Actually in most parts of Europe the ownership of a 22.cal, even semi automatic one, - we talk rifles here, - not pistols and conceiled hand guns - is
FREE without the need of a liscence. .223 and this stuff that requires a liscence.
In Nazi Germany, guns were in the hand of hunters and game wardens, Now Americans understand a "Game warden" as someone who patorls a national park.
However in Europe a farmer who has maybe a 1 acre patch of forest on his property is responsible for the game in this small path of woods, and thus
also is a gun owner and "Game Warden".
Additionally int he alpine regions of Europe, Southern France, Switzerland, Austria and so on, "Poaching" is kind of a national sport. My dad was
one of the best in this field. So the acuracy of those "gun owners" aim is quite remarcable. So If there had been a political will to revolt against
Hitler on a mass scale or with a mass movement, the Germans would have had enough guns to do the job!
A few 100 years further back: Remember the French revolution? Sticks and pitchforks! And it also worked!
What makes gun owner ship in Europe so different to the USA is the licening requirments. My class mate and friend who took over the family farm at age
18 after the death of his father went to a 9 months!!! course to get his game warden permit, - yes 2 acres of a bit of trees on his property. And this
paper/permit or what ever you call it permits him to own any caliber above 22LR. It is a safety course, a course in seasons on when to hunt and when
not to hunt specific game and more. It is also a course in how and when to use ones personal guns in a political crisis, in a situation of a mobilized
posse for escaped criminals and so forth.
What Europe does NOT have is conceiled weapons and hand guns, except for specific professions. This means under cover detectives, money curriers and
so forth. But in all logic there is in our understanding no use for a handgun under normal circumstances. Your right to carry a conceiled weapon might
be limited to the hours of your actual job only. WhenI was a boy back then, the mail man would carry on every 1st of the month the actual pension fund
for his pensioners on his route in CASH in his bag, And most carried each 1st of the month their conceiled handgun.
Also to consider is a fact that Europe is quite densely populated. We do not have 100 miled to the next town and just praries in between. The problem
with gun ownership in Europe is not how to shoot, its the situation awareness as to what can go wrong when you MISS.
I cannot understand that so many pro gun supporters have also military service beind them and do not put 2+2 together. Think back at your own service
time. How many hours days and even weeks did you spend lerning just your basig persnal weapons? From ripping them to pieces blindfolded to cleaning
them and reassemblig them, over and over again. proper safety proceedures, when to arm when to lock and so forth! So why should the avergae joe then
just can walk in and buy a gun and be considered safe?
Its not the question as to how many people have guns, its the wuestions how many idiots have the so called RIGHT to gain access to them.
And for dictatorships. ANY revolution succeds only then when the people WANT to revolt, regardless of the availability of guns or their absence. Maybe
people should read up a bit in the hand books of partisans, revolutionaries and terrorists. One of the key dogmas of any revolutionary is that one
does not NEED a gun, it is given to you by the dead enemy! Becaue in order to make a revolution or insurgency successful, the absence of weapon ship
ments on the radar of intelligence entities is the sure fire success for a surprise attack.