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Originally posted by unityemissions
Originally posted by 00nunya00
You're obviously unfamiliar with the multi-quadrillion dollar derivatives bubble. And the utterly unsustainable amounts of crushing debt the US has accumulated alone. Not to mention the Eurozone. Sure, nothing to worry about.
Don't make those assumptions, please. I'm aware, but fail to see how this is going to lead to global anarchy. This leap of logic is.....mindless.
Have you heard about the global leaders from Europe to China to Russia calling for a global currency they can control 100%? Obviously not. Think on it a little.
Yes, it's been going on for years. Control 100% Get real, kid.
Originally posted by unityemissions
reply to post by 00nunya00
No, I don't answer strawmans.
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Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by Master_007
Well, you can drop by with your gun and be greeted by 10 shotguns in your face, LOL. A country boy can survive.
Originally posted by Qwenn
Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by mountaingirl1111
Obviously, survivalism is a needed skill and preparing for the worst never hurts, but if the STHF and I assume total chaos, and go out to the woods to live, but then society regroups within a few weeks and suddenly there's a NWO to resist, hanging out in the woods isn't going to be helping me any. If it's NWO, they'll find everyone in the woods and bring them back or just let them be to die. So preparing for decades of woods life instead of the more realistic NWO/global currency takeover (while always being prepared for the random disaster) will serve me better, right?
Don't be innocent enough to assume that everyone will band togeather like Robin Hood's merry men and fight for a common cause, you will have to fight for everything, water, shelter, food, even your life. Some people would not bat an eyelid at eating another person just to keep alive, if you are not the chef, then you will become the dinner, there will be nothing to be proud about the things which will be needed just to stay alive. No civilised bartering a pig for some clothes or whatever, if you have it, someone will take it from you and probably informally invite you to dinner, although you will be the main course.
Originally posted by Gwampo
Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by Master_007
Well, you can drop by with your gun and be greeted by 10 shotguns in your face, LOL. A country boy can survive.
your shotguns won't count for anything against my suppressed sniper rifle
not that I have any negative intentionsedit on 30-4-2012 by Gwampo because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by pikestaff
I'm watching Spain now, 25% unemployment, I think once it starts to collapse, and the rest of Europe panics, the panic will spread, but not to Russia or China, they will consolidate and ride it out, then the wars of conquest will start, China will move west, by-passing India, and Russia will move south/south east, untill Russia and China meet.
Originally posted by Master_007
Thats nice
Me well i plan on dropping by with my gun and asking you nicely to lend me some food to keep me going if the army or police have not already paid you a visit and cleaned you out.
Better to die than let the bankers take our money and turn those that are left into slaves or allow a police state so i will be fighting anyway and every way i can.
Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by zroth
Yeah, I hear that, and it's good info----but I'm not really asking for help in making my personal plan, but rather what I can expect from the economy and market on a smaller scale----what will be on the market shelves two years out from the collapse? Will there be markets at all? Will we already be back to TV dinners? That's what I'm looking for.
Originally posted by 00nunya00
reply to post by Apollo7
Why would the power grid go down? We're not talking about a natural disaster, we're talking about people making choices. Do you really think that just because the economy collapsed, that those who run the power grid would just stay home and not go to work, or that the power company would say "well, we're not sure if you're going to pay your bills, so we're pre-emptively cutting *everyone* off"? That's unrealistic. The government would step in and secure the power supply stayed up. Letting the grid go down would be suicide, and I think it's silly to assume they'll do it right away, just because of economic collapse. They will seize control of it and never give control back.
Also, why would banks lose customer info? You do realize that computers don't have to stay on to be able to store info, right? You do realize all of that is on backup, right?
I guess I don't understand where all of this "as soon as it happens, hit the woods and never come back" comes from. If we're talking about a solar flare that takes out our electrical grid, then sure, all of this is relevant. But what makes everyone think that this time, unlike last time, we will be thrown back into the stone age for good? I still haven't seen that explanation yet.
Originally posted by pikestaff
Originally posted by samkent
I'm looking for input on what we should expect in the years following the inevitable global economic collapse.
I suggest you do the same thing you did durng the last global economic collapse.
Now when was that???? Like NEVER???
The slow collapse of the Roman empire starting in 1400 AD?? The British isles went through hell once the last legion left, 'Europe' did not have to good either.
Originally posted by randyvs
I'm certain that we can expect the collapse to always be coming. It's always coming and never arrives.
Originally posted by Tholidor
reply to post by 00nunya00
Why would the power grid go down? Let's see: America has virtually no heavy industry to speak of today. Sure, we'll have power for a little while - just until there is a major equipment failure. Even if the workers continue to go to work when they are not being paid (yeah, there might be a few altruistic individuals who will work for free) but when the transformer at your local substation goes down, the grid automatically compensates by rerouting power from the next facility up the line. Until IT is overloaded and passes the load upstream. This cascade effect will eventually take out a big transformer..and then the fun begins. There are no spares for the big transformers. They are special order from China - with a long delivery time. Thats assuming that China will ship one out when there is no guarantee that they will ever be paid. Once the economy collapses international trade comes to a screeching halt. And that doesn't even address the power plants themselves - again no spare generators lying around waiting to be needed.
Once the grid goes down it's Mad Max time. Everything stops working including the government.edit on 30-4-2012 by Tholidor because: (no reason given)