Everyone Should Read - Fine Line Between Life and Death, page 1


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Topic started on 29-4-2012 @ 09:10 AM by FlyersFan
NIGHTMARE ....

"Brain dead" people not really brain dead, but are conscious.
Doctors not understanding when someone is really brain dead.
'Dead" organ donors aware and feeling pain when their organs are removed.

There is a multi-billion dollar organ donor industry ... I'm sure they are scared of this fella ...
YIKES ... here's a smidgen of what the interview says ..

Fine Line Between Life and Death


Q.It seems like a lot of the concerns you raise could be at least partially alleviated by more rigorous training and implementation of protocols about determining brain death. Do you agree, or would that not be going far enough?

A.Not really. It’s true that as much as 65 percent of brain death exams are done incorrectly, and many doctors could not list the criteria for brain death correctly. Doctors I talked to said not to worry about patients moving about on the table or their blood pressure or heart rate spiking during harvest. These were just post-death reflexes, not an indication of pain or awareness. And yet the Harvard Criteria, the ur-text of brain death published in 1968, specifically state that there should be no reflexes and no movement. But the bigger problem is that brain death as death per se is a fiction. There is no scientific purpose for brain death. It’s a serious, serious kind of coma, but not death. It was made death for practical reasons. The heart of a brain-dead person still beats, and circulates blood to the organs, keeping them fresh for their future owners. And though the 1981 UDDA (Uniform Determination of Death Act) states that the “whole brain” must be dead, the whole brain is rarely tested. Usually, only activity in the brain stem is tested, not the cortex or higher structures of the brain, where consciousness, pain, and pleasure are interpreted.

Q.Do you see an active conspiracy between the transplant community and those who determine when a patient is dead?

A.Conspiracy is such a harsh word. Let’s say there’s a happy confluence of coincidences that results in $27 billion of revenue per year for the transplant business and incomes unheard of in other medical specialties. On average, a solid, internal organ transplant generates $650,000 all down the line. There are humanitarian reasons to push the envelope also. There are 113,000 people presently waiting for someone to die and leave them an organ, and transplant doctors value these patients and want to help them. The donors? Not so much.



reply posted on 29-4-2012 @ 03:33 PM by Dimithae
reply to post by FlyersFan



I've long suspected that something was amiss with the whole organ donor program. I know and feel sorry for those on the waiting lists,but... I wouldn't want someone else killed over it either.
Had an incident with my exs aunt . She was declared brain dead and her husband donated her organs against the rest of our wishes. I had a bad feeling back then about it and I still do now. Therefore I won't donate anything.
I also had a cousin that was desperate for a kidney as I was growing up, she ended up taking her brothers, her fathers, and a stranger. Still died when she was in her 20s. what a waste really.Most organ recipients aren't expected to live very long after receiving a organ anyway. They told my uncle that he had 5 years after taking a kidney from his brother.


reply posted on 29-4-2012 @ 05:13 PM by Unity_99
reply to post by Starwise



Well some areas are more hijacked than others. There are tons of white hats, but statistically its not worth the risk.

Example of differences between doctors. Last summer had major surgery, internal mesh added to bring support up to my system whihc is collapsing due to Chronic Fatigue.

The surgeon/specialist, was wonderful Very intelligent man, obviously mason and all that, but still he is a great guy.

But, his painting in his office, black and white checkerboard floors, and sheep really alerted me to his mystery school knowledge.

Oh, and he slipped in that they were going to use a experimental new drug on me that would enable me to forget the whole surgery, so as to reduce trauma. I said NO to that.


reply posted on 29-4-2012 @ 06:56 PM by SeenMyShare
reply to post by AliWV


Wouldn't by any chance be up in the Eastern Panhandle area, would it? The couple of hospitals there are HORRIBLE!


reply posted on 29-4-2012 @ 08:51 PM by daynight42
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to
post by Starwise


But, his painting in his office, black and white checkerboard floors, and sheep really alerted me to his mystery school knowledge.

Oh, and he slipped in that they were going to use a experimental new drug on me that would enable me to forget the whole surgery, so as to reduce trauma. I said NO to that.


Get over the checkered floors guys. Really. Just because you see a checkered floor in a building made for someone with money, does not mean what you are so scared it does.

Enough alcohol would allow you to forget the entire thing also. No conspiracy needed. BOO!
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