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Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 01:16 PM
This is why there are so many gays, gentrified beta males, hipsters, etc...

The Flamboyant Agenda

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 01:20 PM
Good I woke up today still thinking about the discussion we are having here, and processing what my "motives" are for wanting to participate? lol, clearly a big part is to try and "heal" so in that way it is self centered, to deny that would be a lie, and that's the heart of why this subject matters to me so much.

lol, oh geez....just went through crying jag....need to lighten up, Thank-You to thoughtful kind folks that reached out in private messages, much appreciated..♥

At the end of the day, my motive is to shed some light on how and what the reality is for men that live in the closet, and how it effects thier families, and ultimately them...and it's sad, VERY sad....

As I shared in earlier post, found out ex hubby was gay, or more accurately probably bi, lol, we made a baby, so must have had some attraction? Anyways, our baby was 8 mns old, when this all came to light.....his reaction was to be VERY apologenic, and he explained to me how he felt and where he was coming from, in his mind, as he put it to me, this was a "shameful" part of himself that began in his teens through watching porn.

So now I need to find a way to "understand" and GOD knows I tried, and yeah, I believe in God, but am absolutely sure he doesn't condem people to hell because of sexual orientation, as others have said quite well, he does in my mind ask us to be honest and fair.

This all played out for 7+ years, the "priority" was our daughter and we tried to "manage" the situation for the benefit of our child, 1st trying to "ignore" the reality, and engage in mutual masterbation, didn't work for me. 2nd make a "don't ask, don't tell policy in our marriage, which actually worked out fine , lol, in a sick way, cause I was just too focused on our child and work to "go there".. I knew he was hooking up with random strangers, and I guess that's how it works in the "closet" world, men meet up in parks, etc. knowing they will meet thier needs....

What unhinged it all is when I did "go there", and took a lover, all HELL broke loose, and to this day I am the "hussy" that cheated on him in the eyes of his family and friends. LOL, now here's the irony, wait for it.....he insisted we let his college buddy park his RV on the side of our house, which my first response was "Hell No" but he was down and out, his wife had just died at a young age, late 20's early 30's, not sure exactly, in freak accident, so I agreed we should help him ultimately.

This guy was really nice, helped me, told me how pretty I was, lol, yeah us girls love that, and later told me that my ex had come into his RV and solicited sex, he declined....sooo at the end of the day my ex was more pissed that the object of his desire wanted me not him...this is nothing I'm proud of, but this is what happened

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 01:28 PM
I see alot of simple mindedness going on here.

Is it that hard to discern between action and desire?

If you consider being "gay" the ACT of having sex with another man then you need help and your ignorance knows no bounds.
Any trip to prison will squash that notion. In there it is about dominance and control as well as having a sexual outlet along with an overly healthy imagination. Did the bible teach you that? NOPE!

Now then,
You can be gay and swear off all men (assuming you are a man for this sake of this arguement).
You can pray to jesus and he will cast out the gay little demon living in you.
You can FORCE yourself to have sex with only women and little kids (assuming you're a Catholic).
You can look up ONLY pics of naked women!
You can even cheat on your new WIFE (cuz you got married to prove how gay you're not) with the neighbors WIFE across the street!!!
Will this be enough for you Christians??

From what I am hearing this is what you want.
This will satisfy YOU and the LORD. (which seem to be one and sthe same btw)
Then will the lord be happy??
Then do they have a chance to get into heaven???

Remove the behavior all you want.
Drive it out
cast it out
shame it out
force it out
beat it out!!!!!!!!!
You are NEVER going to remove this one thing though.


You can NOT control the desire to have sex with other men and more than I can control the desire to have sex with every single good looking woman I see. I can only control the behavior which I do ONLY because I made a promise to my wife NOT THE LORD!!!

Try controlling your desire to eat next time your little christian belly is hungry.
Try controlling your desire to please the lord.

oooo how about the desire to sleep or yawn???

These are natural desires that need to be filled. (well, except the compulsion to please the lord bit...that's just sick)
In the event that they are not socially acceptable desires because there is a victim (such as a case of a priest having sex with an alter boy let's say) then these desires must never turn into ACTIONS!!!!

In the case of being gay,
NO VICTIM.....................................NO CRIME!!!!!
Unless you are a gay Priest in which case the little boy is the victim.
Gotta love those gay priests don't ya?
Gotta love the hypocracy too.

edit on 30-4-2012 by Screwed because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 01:31 PM
reply to post by Lionhearte

maybe there is a struggle because of this....

no have a nice day

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 01:46 PM
well the male G spot it up his anus so....

explain that one???

Maybe we arnt ALL born to breed like we are all let to believe...???

Its the same argument where some psychologist believe we can be born evil..

its just natures selection


posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:05 PM
reply to post by Screwed

I have never had a post violation here ATS, and that is not my aim....I just think you are so rude and off the mark, and quite "self deluded" apparently see your wife as your baby machine, like you said last night, your gonna take another drink and go get "laid" delightful....not once have I heard you mention the value and love you give to your wife.

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:08 PM
reply to post by MountainLaurel

Oh wait , maybe reading a little further, I was wrong,,,I don't know anymore....

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:21 PM
reply to post by Lionhearte

Oh you ask stupid questions! Firstly, I have a genetic makeup that makes my pigmentation darker than most, it's a condition called Black, I'm discriminated against! Seriously, I am :p

Then why did God make us up of all these Hormones that instigate attraction, just to call us sinful? That's blasphemous... To say that God diliberatly causes us to sin, is blasphemous!

Then... Ah there are all those men hidden in closets their whole lives, married with children, and doing it with other men on the side. Really, it's been known to happen...

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:23 PM
reply to post by DanteAltair

Well Damm...that video was a trip,,,,God are males so disrespected they feel like bacteria? As a women that loves men, the thought of this is profoundly sad.....

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:25 PM
May I also add that the original poster makes no dispute on the fact that he is a christian and therefore follows Christianity.... ACTUAL Christians according to literature (being the bible and the word of God, etc etc) do NOT condone homosexuality, Im not going to go into all of that as im sure none of you need a class in religion, and granted there are some "fields" of Christianity that in some sense do condone homosexuality, however if one declares themselves a Christian and states that they themselves due to their religion do not approve of homosexuality and class it as a sin ( 'An act that violates a known morale rule' ... 'It is an evil human act, which violates rational nature of man as well as God's nature and his eternal law' ) but in the same sentence structure ALSO states that they love homosexuals..... then please pardon my manners when the word hypocrite comes to mind.

Now onto the topic again.... Homosexuality is there as a result of alot of factors, one being human nature and animal instinct so to speak.... if a man and a man were on an island with no other forms of life then it is a massive certainty that after an amount of time (probably not long at all) they would engage in some sort of sexual behaviour, not because they are 'gay' but because of the urge to spread their seed, whether it be up a lady... man... hand or toilet roll tube!!
As for being 'born gay' there are MANY circumstances where people have been born into the wrong genders - Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Dysphoria - which granted is debated as a mental illness rather than a "birth defect" but what about hermaphrodites? Say a child was born with both sex organs and the childs parents decided to have the childs penis removed and for the child to live life as a female.. but as the child grew up she realised that she should have actually been a male due to the hormones and 'feelings' and she was attracted to other females and therefore was now labeled a homosexual because she has an uncontrollable and unexplainable attraction towards other females despite now being one herself...... Now I understand that not all people who are attracted to the same sex were born a hermaphrodite, but my point is where does it say that people are born with an attraction to any sex?? Homosexuals born to be homosexual... Straight people born to be straight... HOW?? We aren't all born with an immediate attraction to a sex!

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:27 PM

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by Screwed

you apparently see your wife as your baby machine, like you said last night, your gonna take another drink and go get "laid" delightful....not once have I heard you mention the value and love you give to your wife.

You should hear the way she talks when she is ready for action.
I can assure you it would offend your christian sensabilities.
and yes it was "delightful". at least that's what I am told.

Sounds like you've got me all figured out there princess.

Praise jesus.

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:30 PM

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by Screwed

not once have I heard you mention the value and love you give to your wife.

Wasn't aware that the value I place on my wife or the love I give to her was the topic of conversation.
Am I missing something??

Is this thing on?

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:42 PM
reply to post by Screwed

Actually I'm not a associated with any religious group, however I do believe in "GOD" whatever that means, and it's a "spirtual" relationship that I am really enjoying as I try and let go of old "stuff"

Still haven't heard you say anything respectful about your wife, other then " Oh she loves it baby" does she? I don't know?

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:44 PM
reply to post by Lionhearte

If you're a Christian, you shouldn't be worried about if a person is born that way or not.
Homosexual action and thought is a sin in God's eyes.
If a straight person is born straight and he lusts after the opposite sex that is also sin.
That is the point, we are born into sin.
We can't just say, "Oh, I can't help it. I have this gene that forces me to do things I don't want to do." Everybody has a choice.

The Christian should be loving and a commandment repeater. That convicts the non-Christian person.

Just to repeat. Being born that way is not an excuse. We are all born into original sin.

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:46 PM
reply to post by DanteAltair

Jamie Lee Curtis is a hermaphrodite? Wheres the source for this? Even if she turns out to be a guy in drag, he still makes a smoking hot lady.

Man, the Simpsons are some boring MSM.

Thanks for the dancer at the end. He was worth waiting for.

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:51 PM

Originally posted by tizza2k
Say a child was born with both sex organs and the childs parents decided to have the childs penis removed and for the child to live life as a female

I never understood that. Why not wait to let the child make the decision to have an operation or not when it becomes an adult?

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by tizza2k

VERY good point....and this has really "freaked" me out sexually, cause if this the source of a man's pleasure, and it totally grosses me out, how do I make peace with that?

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:09 PM

Originally posted by MountainLaurel
reply to post by Screwed

Still haven't heard you say anything respectful about your wife, other then " Oh she loves it baby" does she? I don't know?

Perhaps you would be so kind as to show me where I said that?

Still waiting.
I'm sure you'll find it somewhere.

Maybe instead of being consumed with my relationship with my wife you could somehow find a way to address the OP?.

Any questions let me know.

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:11 PM
Homosexuality, as a natural genetic occurrence, plays an important role in perpetuation of the species, whichever species that may be.

There are "gay" birds, deer, cows, sheep, etc... Here is a fascinating, scientific book on how homosexuality occurs in nature:

Though, I'm more inclined to believe that the most people would rather disregard logic and hold on to societal norms that say homosexuality is against nature.

And while people may claim the animals don't get to think about what they do (this from the same people who claim animals have neither souls nor eternal life), humans clearly do have a "choice." The choice is to live as a human was born or fake a way to fit into life despite genetic disposition.

It does little good to enter a debate here on all the scientific findings that suggest that homosexuality occurs in mankind by a gene and/or by the mother's release of a certain hormone in utero. All this and more are out there for serious study.

At the end of the day, are you going to love your neighbor as yourself? Some will still say they can't be around a homo... and yet, that is pure ignorance of what the Bible really says about homosexuality. The only mention of general homosexuality was in Leviticus, where other abominations were wearing fabrics of more than one weave and unacceptable buttons. Additionally, abominations were being in the same tent as someone in their menses. All punishable by death because the Hebrews were establishing a tribal culture and focused on perpetuating the Jewish lines. Later, the words used for homosexual refer, very adroitly, an older male paying a younger male prostitute for sex. However, one must learn Biblical Hebrew and Koine Greek, along with study historical relevancy, in order to understand what has been failed to be appropriately translated into English today. So, anyone refusing to talk to or neighborly love a homosexual is failing to follow Christ's footsteps... and mostly because the wickedness of biased men/women have translated the Bible to their liking, not to Truth.

There is something about homosexuals that enables them to improve the society/culture around us. They help us evolve. There's a long list of gays that have transformed society for the better. That's an easy thing to find with just basic research.

All they want to do is get married just like anyone else, which is really a matter of being respected as a fellow human being. I think there are a lot of maladaptive behaviors that emerge as a consequence of them being repressed and violently oppressed. The civil marriage, I think, affords basic human respect that benefits all.

Can't we just all get along? I can't imagine anyone would want to "choose" to be a homosexual. That's a hard life to endure with all the haters hating and all the rest. Here, the Golden Rule applies, as well as Love Thy Neighbor. I just can't see why people don't get that... or let people be. Only God has the authority to judge; and we will all be judged soon enough.

posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 03:11 PM

Originally posted by tizza2k
well the male G spot it up his anus so....

explain that one???

I always thought that was our bodys' way of encouraging us to take a dump. It also feels good to pee and eat.

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