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Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:41 PM
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Originally posted by Edgar806
Theyre not born that way. In no way os homosexuality inheritated. Its learned. And yes it really is wrong


Just go away, your input is negative and doesn't help anything, anywhere other than negativity.

You are hell.




posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Edgar806
Theyre not born that way. In no way os homosexuality inheritated. Its learned. And yes it really is wrong



replace homosexuality with religion....

they're not born that way. in no way is RELIGION inherited. its learned, and yes it really is wrong.

see what i did there?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:42 PM
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lol, thanks for clarification....calming down now.....

wanna hear a cool story about one of my best friends growing up that was gay, and came out of closet later in life? Now this guy had a heart...he actually called off his engagement to a woman I believe he did "love" on certain levels, but in his heart he considered her best interests over his.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by MountainLaurel
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lol, thanks for clarification....calming down now.....

wanna hear a cool story about one of my best friends growing up that was gay, and came out of closet later in life? Now this guy had a heart...he actually called off his engagement to a woman I believe he did "love" on certain levels, but in his heart he considered her best interests over his.


sadly society keeps homosexuals in the closet so such situations like yours may occur. thankfully there has been a social evolution happening and someday gay people will be accepted just as much as anyone.

my parents were best friends with a black couple and a lesbian couple. i thankfully wasnt raised with any hate in my heart. when people hate others for no apparent reason, simply because of them being different, it really boggles my mind.

i just think people should be happy , and if two gay people are happy together, that is better than a depressed straight couple anyday.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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Oh for sure, I suck it up for my child's sake, she has no idea what really happened, and since the only way I could explain myself to her or his family would be to "out" him, I just can't morally do it....but when his "smug" mother disrespects me, it is sure tempting



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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I agree to disagree, I dont care how pious, or upright a person 'acts', EVERYBODY lusts for someone or something, to deny that would be like saying you are not a Human Being, and I am sure that isnt the case for most of us


But yes, they ARE born that way, and if you really studied Genetics then you would know that certain genes sometimes skip generations, think about it for a second, I am sure somewhere along your line of ancestry, at least one of your family members had to be LGBT...care to prove me wrong?? It is a natural thing, human sexuality, and forget about that We have free-will nonsense, if God really intended for there to be no LGBT, then why the hell did he create them?? Either God has a sick-ironic sense of humor, to create ppl that automatically get to go to hell, simply because of their orientation, OR, the bible thumpers got it all wrong and have twisted the Bibles true meaning to our lives, which I definitely know to be the case. It shouldn't concern you or anybody else for that matter, what another person's orientation is, yet some ppl feel it is their business to tell those type of ppl that their behavior is wrong and immoral. That's just tomfoolery if you ask me. It is natural, because there are animals that engage in homosexual acts...and animals are as natural as can be...Plus wasn't Jesus Bi-sexual??

Thank you and have a nice day OP

WE ARE ALL HUMAN-BEINGS, since when have you been so "perfect"?

---1Love



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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I hear you. I have never had any respect for gay men that play straight and hurt others. But, this is what society expects. I know men like this that have been doing this for decades and eventually tell their wives they are impotent to avoid sex and intimacy. Would you deny me though the ability to be honest and upfront. I never played the pretend straight other than dating a girl when I was in high school for two months upon pressure from family. Kissing and any type of intimacy felt like what I would image a guy kissing his sister would feel like.

I



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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OP, the genes which manifest in your appearance, character, etc. are only the dominant ones. The pool of recessive genes that don't show up in you is incredibly vast compared to the ones that are active.

Two parents with brown eyes have a chance to have a child with green or blue eyes, if both of the parents CARRY the gene, but no not SHOW the gene externally.

That is why 2 heterosexuals can have a homosexual child.

Genetics are based on chance.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by Edgar806
Theyre not born that way. In no way os homosexuality inheritated. Its learned. And yes it really is wrong


The gene that causes homosexuality was discovered years ago. It's very clear that is causes homosexuality, it's even been used on heterosexual labrats to makes them homosexual.

It's not up for debate - science has confirmed the gene exists. And if you argue, it's because you're ignorant.

Note for attackers: I am comfortably heterosexual.
edit on 29-4-2012 by thegagefather because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Completely agree.....soooo the "heart" of my message in this thread is to be honest with yourself and each other......will prevent alot of broken hearts and broken homes.......



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:04 PM
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Oh for sure, I suck it up for my child's sake, she has no idea what really happened, and since the only way I could explain myself to her or his family would be to "out" him, I just can't morally do it....but when his "smug" mother disrespects me, it is sure tempting

I've often wondered if it is better to out people like this. It isn't like it is fair to anyone. We have politicians passing laws against gays while having a call boy running around in his penthouse. To be honest a national out the married fool day would cure all these gay issues. All open and honest gay people out every single married closet chaser they know. I've always disagreed with the greater gay community on keeping these people secret. Once you get a certain age grow up and grow a pair.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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When I was in grade school, none of my friends were gay. No one that I grew up with is gay. I am 40 and not a single person that I knew from school is gay. I recently went back to school to get my degree in sonography. I attended a private college in Kentucky. What I saw completely blew my mind. I would say that the majority of girls at the college are lesbians. This is a co-ed school, so there are plenty of boys to choose from. It is obvious that homosexuality doesn't hold the same stigma that it once did. I keep hearing about people being bullied and ridiculed because of their orientation, if these girls at a private college in the backwoods of Kentucky aren't being ridiculed, I think it is fair to say that MOST homosexuals are no longer being openly ridiculed.

I personally believe that homosexuality has become the new drug of choice for many young people. It is their vehicle of choice for rebellion. Where once a teenager might smoke a little or drink a little to get noticed or to "get back at their parents" now they are "homosexuals". It's cool. It's the thing to be. It was obvious that most of the girls were just in it for the shock value and nothing more.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by toochaos4u
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Oh for sure, I suck it up for my child's sake, she has no idea what really happened, and since the only way I could explain myself to her or his family would be to "out" him, I just can't morally do it....but when his "smug" mother disrespects me, it is sure tempting

I've often wondered if it is better to out people like this. It isn't like it is fair to anyone. We have politicians passing laws against gays while having a call boy running around in his penthouse. To be honest a national out the married fool day would cure all these gay issues. All open and honest gay people out every single married closet chaser they know. I've always disagreed with the greater gay community on keeping these people secret. Once you get a certain age grow up and grow a pair.


Organized religion, man.

As long as people don't wake up and see it's a man-made construct that breeds hate and intolerance, I'm sorry, but you're always going to be a scapegoat for society.

It's a beautiful creation that allows mankind to think he's special, and god said he can do whatever he wants. I truely believe that's how most people treat their creed, even if they don't say it that way.

The bottom line, IMO - We're the most highly evolved apes on the planet, but we're still apes. And what apes don't like, apes smash.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by Edgar806
Theyre not born that way. In no way os homosexuality inheritated. Its learned. And yes it really is wrong




Why is it wrong? Lets set aside the choice/not a choice debate for a second. Im really interested in why you think its wrong.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:12 PM
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I feel very bad for what happened to you.

I hope you can find healing over time.

Perhaps it won't matter at this point what anybody says, but that doesn't represent all gays or even men who have sex with men (not all of whom identify as gay).
I felt pressured to go that way when I was much younger by a church, and a psychologist, and I figured it would just please everybody if I dated a woman.
Luckily I realized in time what could happen, and for me there was no collateral damage for anybody else.

Now there's a lot of books about people who lived double lives under apartheid (which criminalized homosexuality), and they are now coming out.
I have mixed feelings about such people, who essentially let openly gay people fight their political battles, while they sometimes occupied high positions in the church and the state.
But then you hear of the stigma before 1994 in South Africa, and how people risked being disinherited by their families and excommunicated, and the military was known to do medical experiments, and then I think: Who am I to judge these people?

So it's not homosexuality as such that drove people into those double lives, it was the homophobic terror.
Once HIV/AIDS over-ran SA the horrifying thing was that women with such husbands only found out when they tested HIV-positive (although HIV is now a largely heterosexual epidemic in SA).

There are sociopaths in every group, but largely such men may end up using women not because they have evil intentions - they go along with what their society expected them to do.
Not only that, but for years they are in love with these women - it's hardly ever all fake on a mental level.
Some men will never accept themselves as gay.
They just see that as fooling around.
And society does offer men a tacit role as "players", no matter what their orientation.
Male sexuality is often framed as an unstoppable force.
Would you feel better if he cheated with a woman?

Most of the relationship hurt I see these days is adultery and divorce amongst heterosexuals.

I hope you have your physical health, and I wish you all the best.
Ultimately that's just a cheating piece of trash, and if it didn't come to light he'd still be doing it.



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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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I'd like to respond in order by number, it makes things easier overall.

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And Homosexuals can go to Heaven, if they truly believe in Christ and actively get conviction for ANY of their sins, whether they are liars, drug addicts, porn addicts, WHATEVER. Jesus died for the sins of ALL. Homosexuals aren't excluded.


What came first? The bible or the homosexual? Would be awfully cruel for God to declare homosexuality a sin but not let his children know given the eternal consequence. I wonder how many homosexuals before the true words were spoken would've stopped if only they had known?!

2.

I sin EVERY, SINGLE, DAY of my LIFE. Letting him die in vein? I'd be letting him die in vein if I didn't believe in him. Silly question.


Sounds like God has a very serious quality control problem if he lets an everyday sinner in. Not a personal attack. Just baffled at the terrible quality control in heaven. According to your logic even Hitler and Stalin could get into heaven as long as they truly repent moments before death.

3.

Their "expression" of love is what is known as LUST. The Greeks have 5 different words for love, and in English, we only have one. Lust isn't love, lust is the desire, the sexual preference, etc.


It's lust? Every single homosexuals sexual act past, present, and future is lust and nothing more? You have science to back up your claim. I'd like to see the papers.

4.

I simply want to know where that attraction originated from - if not hereditary, then where?


Finally to the point. Will it change your mind if sciencists came out with definitive proof that it's genetic? Are you going to accept that God (the bible) is wrong?
edit on 29-4-2012 by specialk89 because: typo



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:15 PM
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and I have been through this. My father was a church deacon and a Sunday School teacher. My parents sent me to a private Christian School. Anything that can be done to a gay has been done. Still I am not afraid of organized religion. Once you are in your 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's it is time to stop hiding under a woman's skirt and be your own man.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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As an observe to this topic. I just want some clarification on something. To those who keep throwing the gene proof argument. Where is this so called homosexual gene? I done a quick online research & found it’s heresy & pure speculation with no concrete evidence. Does this gene really, really exist?? can it be proved it exists???



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by newsoul
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When I was in grade school, none of my friends were gay. No one that I grew up with is gay. I am 40 and not a single person that I knew from school is gay. I recently went back to school to get my degree in sonography. I attended a private college in Kentucky. What I saw completely blew my mind. I would say that the majority of girls at the college are lesbians. This is a co-ed school, so there are plenty of boys to choose from. It is obvious that homosexuality doesn't hold the same stigma that it once did. I keep hearing about people being bullied and ridiculed because of their orientation, if these girls at a private college in the backwoods of Kentucky aren't being ridiculed, I think it is fair to say that MOST homosexuals are no longer being openly ridiculed.

I personally believe that homosexuality has become the new drug of choice for many young people. It is their vehicle of choice for rebellion. Where once a teenager might smoke a little or drink a little to get noticed or to "get back at their parents" now they are "homosexuals". It's cool. It's the thing to be. It was obvious that most of the girls were just in it for the shock value and nothing more.


You're completely insane. I've been all over the US, moved to quite a few areas, and never before has an area been "overrun by homosexuals" as you seem to think.

Seriously?! People are gay in spite of their parents?!

You know Freudian psychology has been proven to be garbage, right?

If not a single person in your highschool was openly gay, then guess what? People in your highschool were closet-gay. And that's the bottom line.

You're literally saying "I didn't know gay people when I was a kid, so they didn't exist then. And now that I'm an adult, it's become fashionable."

But you're wrong. The first well-known studies of human sexuality in America PROVED DEFINITELY that a very large portion of all communities that were studied had homosexual and bisexual behavior with 90%+ of spouses not knowing what their partner was doing.

Just as I'm sure this makes you angry, it made a lot of people back then even angrier. But it's the truth. And ignorant bullcrap, no matter how comforting, is not a legitimate reason to ignore the truth.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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Originally posted by Lionhearte First off - to be born in a certain way, we are talking about genetics, correct? So, somebody with a heart disease, possibly received that disease because of a parent, an uncle, a grandparent, etc. It was in their family - that is why you hear the commercials that say "If your family has a history of heart problems", etc, etc.


If there is a homosexual gene it would obviously be double recessive, and the chances of two people with the double recessive gene hooking up, and the the chances of their kids being gay.. well.. there is your answer. As it is homosexuals cannot reproduce, or rather.. they choose not to, some may choose the surrogate mother options but that's a smaller percent.

My theory is though, that if gay people reproduced with gay people on a large scale (gay men and women that is) maybe we might see their children having a higher rate of homosexuality, but who knows? I personally believe it's partly genetics, and partly environment, but I think there is a genetic disposition to it in many cases, and then in other cases it was genetic but required the environment to trigger it.
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