Explain to me how Homosexuals are "born that way".

This is a troll thread

How can someone convince you homosexuals are legitimate
In the eyes of god when your instruction manual tells you they are not.

I have gay friends that are single and I have gay friends that are married
And you can see they love each other deeply.

A lesbian friend of mine adopted 2 children to look after them with her wife.
The children used to be beaten and left for days on end by their drug addict parents.

Is that wrong in the eyes of your god ?

Originally posted by LastProphet527
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Copy writen by Lp527 4-29-12, 6:24am est..

Because the family; in the genrations before that, coveted the HELL house of 'Sex',therfore, the family is cursed on the way down the 'BLOOD' line until some one notices it....until the past comes to the present.

That ,THAN..can the curse be broken"..if reconized in time'

We discovered, that 87% of all people who are homosexuals, had some type of insist encounter…in the before generation…before that specific person was born.

Once you have sex with the same blood, the bloodline is cursed some where down the future to the ones you least expect of being cursed.

You can’t even imagine, what went on inside the generations of a family’s history ,lol.

I assume everyone here could choose to be gay, right? I mean, if its a choice then it should be easy. Like choosing to buy skittles instead of m&ms.

reply to post by Lionhearte


"Kinsey Scale" (This should help you understand) The fact of the matter is, the majority of the population falls in the middle range, and the end are the fringe posibilitys. Being born 100% Hetero or 100% Homo is less likely then being born within the middle group. History is full of bi-sexual/ homosexual storys, (greek it the most common point.) Plato's "The Symposium", and read "Aristophanes' myth about the origins of human beings." I should point out that for a while in College I wanted to teach sexual education becouse I found it shocking how little most people know about it, and how little research has been done.

Originally posted by Manunnaki
Food for thought. Why would anyone chose to be gay knowing that society people in society rather could potentially kill them for being gay. Make sense of that.

Quite. I know what I'd have prefered.

All I can say, is that I have never made a conscious decision to fancy blokes. I've tried to fancy women, but I'm just not wired up to do so. Nothing happened in my childhood to tweak me in this way. I'm lucky enough to have had a very nice childhood. I was never a sporty kid, would prefer to just play with some toys and get lost in imagination land.

This is not a choice I made to feel the way I feel. And attraction isn't a switch which you can just turn on or off, it just is.

My personal little theory is it's just natures way of keeping the population from exploding too much. Imagine if everyone on the planet paired up and had 2.5 kids, we'd be even more screwed than we are now. (puntastic!)

As much as I hate the zeitgeist series the third movie has a guy talking about genetics early on, I believe it is the first interview in the film. He puts it in laymen terms better than I can and i would recommend everyone check it out.

Another common misconception i see people fall victim to is the confusion of the terms hereditary and genetic, those two things are NOT the same thing and are NOT interchangeable.

Originally posted by MaryStillToe
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Prefrences are psychological, not biological. The day we find a gene that determines sexual preference, is the day we have to admit that humans do not have any type of freewill or choice.

edit on 29-4-2012 by MaryStillToe because: (no reason given)

Exactly, and that opens up a Pandora's box of fail. The idea that we are purely products of our genes is a very dangerous one that is called eugenics and i don't need a spoiler alert to tell people how that ends.

reply to post by Manunnaki


That still doesn't answer the question. If it's indeed true, that homosexual living "double lives" reproduced and passed on this supposed gay gene, then where did it come from? Aliens? Brain washing? Mutation? Chance? Natural Selection?

reply to post by DavidWillts

I do not believe that homosexuals are "born" that way but saying it is a "choice" is an even dumber statement.

reply to post by dorkfish87

To claim that I made the choice to be a second class citizen, to be disowned by both parents, for something I had a choice in is rediculous.

Please highlight in my original post where I made the statement that homosexuals are acting by choice. Thank you.

reply to post by MaryStillToe

Prefrences are psychological, not biological. The day we find a gene that determines sexual preference, is the day we have to admit that humans do not have any type of freewill or choice.

Now THAT is interesting, that if discovered, we would not have free will. Very acute observation.

Originally posted by tombangelta
This is a troll thread

How can someone convince you homosexuals are legitimate
In the eyes of god when your instruction manual tells you they are not.

I have gay friends that are single and I have gay friends that are married
And you can see they love each other deeply.

A lesbian friend of mine adopted 2 children to look after them with her wife.
The children used to be beaten and left for days on end by their drug addict parents.

Is that wrong in the eyes of your god ?

This is a troll post. My God "instructs" me that the act of homosexual relations is a sin. A man loving a man is perfectly fine. A woman loving a woman is perfectly fine. Love is encouraged, lust isn't, in ANY case (even between a man and woman).

Originally posted by tombangelta
This is a troll thread

How can someone convince you homosexuals are legitimate
In the eyes of god when your instruction manual tells you they are not.

I have gay friends that are single and I have gay friends that are married
And you can see they love each other deeply.

A lesbian friend of mine adopted 2 children to look after them with her wife.
The children used to be beaten and left for days on end by their drug addict parents.

Is that wrong in the eyes of your god ?

Thank you for this post. Some people don't understand that we aren't much different than typical straight people. Trying to figure out why someone is gay implies that it could be cured, or even should be. I'm not gay from a curse, I'm not gay from a choice. At least no more or less than a person is straight by choice.

reply to post by Manunnaki


I can answer that for my self. I do not find men attractive BUT I do like gay sex every once in a while. This is because of a kink of my own. When I so happen to be sexually aroused is when I feel this way.

When I'm not sexually aroused I do not feel that way in the slightest. Just because I have these sexual urges does not mean I have to follow thru. I'm not hurt, upset or angry that how I feel has little tolerance because I understand that the whole reason humans have sex is to make babies (and establish relationships to benefit our selves) So I understand that this is just my human mind and my ego finding new pleasures. We have the ability to understand the world much deeper than any animal, so we create these things in our minds (some not all)

I don't have to listen. I feel better when I don't because its like a fat kid with a cup cake. He will be a much stronger minded person if he does not give into every urge his body tells him.

I get the urge to steal. Do I? No.

I thought this would be a good contribution to the thread since it is about a murder of someone just because they was gay. Good album by the way.

reply to post by Acidtastic


That's a very nice story, and I really appreciated your input
I'm not entirely certain on your theory, or rather, it seems like it would lead into so many others - for example, if Nature knew that the population would overpopulate, it would have to know - 1) how many people were on this planet 2) how big this planet is 3) the necessary resources that are available to us 4) it would need to "communicate" with other organisms across the world 5) it would need it's own consciousness to make an active decision to "cut off" our growth. All of these are really fascinated, but they are assumptions nonetheless :\

Also, I really enjoyed that pun

reply to post by Lionhearte

Please highlight in my original post where I made the statement that homosexuals are acting by choice. Thank you.

Please show where in my post that i said you did, do it now.

I posted that because it is a false division that is commonly presented in this type of discussion and is about as logical as saying that since a baby was born without cancer that he MUST have chosen to get cancer. Homosexuals are not born gay, that comes latter. It is not right or wrong it just is. Besides, god says gays can't do it missionary (don't lie down with a woman the way you would with a man). As long as they are not doin it face to face they can go to haven with Jesus.

Just curious, since Jesus died for your sins wouldn't it be letting him die in vein if you didn't sin?

reply to post by Acidtastic


Just because you understand something doesn't make you gay!

Originally posted by dorkfish87

Originally posted by tombangelta
This is a troll thread

How can someone convince you homosexuals are legitimate
In the eyes of god when your instruction manual tells you they are not.

I have gay friends that are single and I have gay friends that are married
And you can see they love each other deeply.

A lesbian friend of mine adopted 2 children to look after them with her wife.
The children used to be beaten and left for days on end by their drug addict parents.

Is that wrong in the eyes of your god ?

Thank you for this post. Some people don't understand that we aren't much different than typical straight people. Trying to figure out why someone is gay implies that it could be cured, or even should be. I'm not gay from a curse, I'm not gay from a choice. At least no more or less than a person is straight by choice.

That makes no sense at all. I made no implications. If I asked why the sky was blue, does that automatically mean I wish to make it green by curing it's "blueness"?

Seriously..

dextrous preference is wired in the brain at birth,

so is innate sexual preference (to blossom by puberty)

its sad who we are attracted is determined by whats between their shoulders and legs and whats not,

instead of solely whats between their ears and deep in their heart!

it's even more sad 9/10 prefer the opposite sex with ginormous human carbon footprint & population explosion.

too bad the ratios don't lean more toward the middle, then we wouldnt overpopulate ourselves into anywhere as much crowding, violence, pollution, disease, endless wars, famine.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by Lionhearte

 

Please highlight in my original post where I made the statement that homosexuals are acting by choice. Thank you.

Please show where in my post that i said you did, do it now.

I posted that because it is a false division that is commonly presented in this type of discussion and is about as logical as saying that since a baby was born without cancer that he MUST have chosen to get cancer. Homosexuals are not born gay, that comes latter. It is not right or wrong it just is. Besides, god says gays can't do it missionary (don't lie down with a woman the way you would with a man). As long as they are not doin it face to face they can go to haven with Jesus.

Just curious, since Jesus died for your sins wouldn't it be letting him die in vein if you didn't sin?

Technically speaking, I never said you did say that I did. But now we're just circle jerking.

I should have made this clear, though - this thread is not about CHOICE, it's about genetics, hereditary genes, etc. It's about the origins of the homosexual gene, if there even IS one. And no, that makes no sense. Cancer is a disease, homosexuality isn't. I mean, not in my opinion.

And Homosexuals can go to Heaven, if they truly believe in Christ and actively get conviction for ANY of their sins, whether they are liars, drug addicts, porn addicts, WHATEVER. Jesus died for the sins of ALL. Homosexuals aren't excluded.

And are you serious? I sin EVERY, SINGLE, DAY of my LIFE. Letting him die in vein? I'd be letting him die in vein if I didn't believe in him. Silly question.

Originally posted by BiggerPicture
dextrous preference is wired in the brain at birth,

so is innate sexual preference (to blossom by puberty)

its sad who we are attracted is determined by whats between their shoulders and legs and whats not,

instead of solely whats between their ears and deep in their heart!

it's even more sad 9/10 prefer the opposite sex with ginormous human carbon footprint & population explosion.

too bad the ratios don't lean more toward the middle, then we wouldnt overpopulate ourselves into anywhere as much crowding, violence, pollution, disease, endless wars, famine.

That's like saying it's okay to get an abortion because the child would have grown up in an abusive family, a poor family, or whatever. Fix the problem at it's core! Don't try to mask it with things like overpopulation. Violence, pollution, endless wars, famine could all be solved if people actually felt CONVICTION for what they were doing. For me, I got conviction through Jesus, and actually attempt to stop myself from causing harm to others. And crowding? Not nearly. The entire world's population could fit in Texas. Not like sardines either, but a nice quaint little home.

Sorry folks, I must get some sleep. Exhausted. I enjoyed this discussion though, from those who actually contributed something, at least.

God bless all of you guys. Goodnight

Answer these questions or ideas first - were you born straight? Was being straight something you acquired along the way!

If you like fellatio, cunnilingus or back door entry (male or female) did you choose to like it or were you just born that way?

Most people don't have sex to ONLY make babies. Most people have sex because it feels good, it is fun and relaxing for both partners or even for multiple partners. Sexual release has the effect of making both males and females less aggressive! This is true even for LGBT.

I know many females who won't do missionary because they refuse to get pregnant. Having or not having children is a personal choice we all make.

Many men I know will not bow to the almighty female sex organ whether it is for religious or otherwise reasons.

Many people simply refuse to play the games everyone else plays because society says or conditions us to acquiesce to certain identified roles or rules.

Many Lesbians simply refuse the paternal paradigm over the maternal because paternal and fraternal orders discount the worth of females and consider them sperm catchers rather than people. The paternal also discounts that any woman can have more brains than a man.

The paternal view discounts that a man can be worthy without a female or children.

Women can do everything a man can do plus one - have a baby!

So, in many ways one is born to like certain things or not; like art, music, food, weather conditions, job types, status with or without family, status with or without social approval, books, bananas, spicy condiments, love or fear of animals and insects, (the only good spider in my house is a dead one), and the list goes on forever.

When I meet someone who makes me feel like a giddy-in-love kid again - whether male or female - I follow along to see if this person means as much as or more to me than my mother. If I can trust them to be honest with me and to look out for me as much as I will them. If their looks and methods of living are attractive too me - I follow them. If they make me feel good and worthy - I would try my best to make them feel the same.

Self-respect and self-diginity are more valuable than money.

No-one has the right to make me justify myself to them - period! I learned this aspect from a disabled person who refused to tell people anything about why she did things the way she did unless she wanted to tell them.

For me, there came a time when I and my God were at odds with each other. I couldn't go on lying and believing in Great Spirit. So I quit lying about myself even to myself - picked myself up by my bootstraps, stood tall and walked with my head held high and pride in my heart knowing that my God and I were at one together. Great Spirit made me the way that I am and I must have pride that God did this for me because God loves me.

It was also at that time that I had certain visions about life and spirituality that confirmed I was on the Good Red Blood Path where 'I' needed to be. My visions might not apply to you. Your path to your God is defined by you and your God.

Good luck in finding peace and love on the path you are on!

reply to post by Lionhearte

If it's indeed true, that homosexual living "double lives" reproduced and passed on this supposed gay gene, then where did it come from? Aliens? Brain washing? Mutation? Chance? Natural Selection?

Mutation, of course, as any other gene.

Indeed, new mutation is another possible cause why heterosexual parents may have homosexual child. It is said that every human has around 60 new mutations.