It takes a while to tell you how wrong you are.

I won't get fooled again, but you will

Republicans are keeping people down. 
[SNIP]you guys
may as well stop reading now.
This Thread is freaking long and I'm a liberal. 
So just stop reading now. 
As a matter of fact, I'd appreciate the same
disclaimer on your threads, when you tell
me Obama eats puppies. 

Republicans, the Tea Party & many
fooled Libertarians (by voting)
are keeping people down. They're holding back
Americans, Non Americans and probably an ET or two. 
This is what they do. They double cross you.
They do this in many many crafty ways.
One example is class warfare. 
Oh you thought that was the dems?

College loan interest rates are about to double
because of the Tea party House of Reps.
So if you are a student you can directly thank 
the Tea Party for that. That's helpful isn't it?
If you ask them about this they'll say 
"Not everyone can go to college". 
What?
Was there recent leap in college applicants?
Nope. 
So why make it harder ?
I'll tell you.
To keep certain people down.
Probably you.
The poor, many minorities and yep, 
even the white middle class.
Really anyone, but the 
(almost exclusively white)
ultra rich.
 And you frigging dummies making 
under a million a year who think you 
are just like those billionaires. Um 
You're not.. It's a big difference. 
Big.
You just do their dirty work.
If tshtf they won't know you .
Shoot they won't know you at dinner.

Back to College,
if you are the ultra rich, 
you aren't exactly worried about higher
interests rates for school loans.
You aren't using that service. However..
Its a great way to weed out undesirables.
This way their kiddos are more exclusive
and have a much better chance when they
go "learn something" before they're 
handed over the family fortune*.
That's class warfare.
(*why they hate the "Death Tax")

So you know that one huh? The death tax?
Interesting.
Once again, it doesn't matter much
to the rest of us, but to them, it's a mega-deal. 
Which is why you've heard about it. 
Even though it affects roughly 2%
of the US population.
Now why would that issue be so well known?
More known than the 
"not everybody needs College" story?
because "they" always need cover stories.
Distractions.
So they can trick you into feeling sorry for them
and their baby soft hands.

So you think Obama wants the Black Panthers
to run Daycares.that kinda sh*t.

Come on!! Really?
Think people! Do you believe Mitt Romney, Citizens United
The Koch Brothers, EXXON or Rush Limbaugh 
have your back? That's your team huh? 
Spectacular Americans.

You think its the guy who got the pre existing condition
clause dropped from those poor, barely scraping by,
Insurance Conglomerates, that you have to worry about?


 You hate Unions.
Do you understand that? 
"They" made you hate Unions.
Let me repeat that.
"They" made "You" hate unions.
WTF?
You do know who unions are right? 
They are more likely your neighbors,
than say, Cheney or David Koch?
FireFighters, Teachers, our
MADE IN THE USA factory workers etc
That's Union. 
You Know 40 hr work week?
The weekend off? and no child labor?
Those commie Unions brought you that.

They made you hate teachers.
Teachers!? Do you hear yourselves?

Why not Police and Firefighters?
Well they tried that in Wisconsin, but
It backfired when "They"
realized it sucks to be overrun by an
angry crowd of Citizens AND the Police.
So they quickly allowed the Police
to keep their benefits. But just the Police.

Police and teachers and factory workers 
weren't making a grab for more money 
or more benefits in Wisconsin. (Or anywhere)
 Gov. Scott Walker simply was making cuts.
The Unions were trying to hang on to what 
they were always getting. 
So guess what subject flared up, 
just as massive attacks by Corporations,
were being made on American workers? 
Well.. Stories like Unions are bad & lazy;
Socialisms slippery slope. 
And now many  of you believe it.
Big threat? Union membership is at it's 
lowest point since it's  inception in the 1800's. 
(in Wisconsin btw)

So what gives? (like you've read this far)

Gov Scott Walker was making a Koch Bros deal.
They would run Utilities in Wisconsin, by magically 
winning a No bid Contract. It's no secret.
Monopoly with inside help. Along with this, 
Gov Walker was giving the Ultra Rich Corps,
incentives, AKA, plain ol' cash .
 All those new cuts that were 
stuck to your neighbors, coincidently equaled 
the gift given to the Koch Bros.
Why would you vote for someone who was sticking it
to your neighbor and handing it to the Kochs? 
You really must hate Obama.

But then, it's not your fault,
Obviously you've been brainwashed.

While Koch's and Friends were eagerly
awaiting your neighbors money and rights,
they were also funding shills all over the country. 
You know... the ones that scream at you on AM radio.
Those as******.
Screaming about what? 
College? What you don't need it. Mexicans overrunning us 
(immigration @ 0% remember) & "Obama's a commie,"
because he's trying to protect your neighbor. 

Please think for yourselves . You've been told for so 
long that you were already doing that.
But you actually weren't .

Remember, Citizens United, Koch Industries
and Cheney are not your buddies.
I know this is hard to imagine.
But if they agree with who you're voting for,
maybe you should reevaluate who you are voting 
for. And get over the fact that we have a really
good (considering the opposition) black President.

If you read this far, Thank you whether you disagree,
Or... you disagree (i know what site this is) thanks really.
Hack away. Don't bother me a bit.
My favorite comments are the ones that say 
my thread was incoherent and my facts all wrong.
I'm planting this and running. I need an ATS break.



Mod note: Removed political trolling comments and name calling.

This really needed to be in "Rant".
I do agree with some of what you say though.
Also, Thank you for breaking up your paragraphs the way you did.
It made it readable.

Most people on ATS already know this, we need a way to reach the people that are too busy to wake the fudge up!!!!

I've said it before, and I'll say it again to all the folks reading this: [color=violet]if you are NOT super wealthy, and you vote Republican, then you need your HEAD EXAMINED.

How MUCH more do those republican SOB's have to do against the middle classes and lower classes before EVERYONE wakes the HELL up and see whose interest they have in mind??

I have serious issues with the Democrats as well, but what the Republicans do are on a WAY different level of HORRIBLE. What they are doing should scare the HELL out of everyone who is middle class for certain.

Now, where are our usual ATS right-wings shills? They are like clockwork here. Let the countdown begin: ... 3...2...1...

Liberals say the exact same thing.coincidence?

Shills eh just because there are people who do not share the same views

Belongs in the Rant doesn't it?

This is why the majority of true "intellectuals" are democrats. There are policies on both sides that are useable, and some treacherous, but examining each party from a distance, anyone who is not wealthy who is a Republican has some type of problem with understanding and perception. Remember the study that was done not too long ago that concluded Republicans were much more likely to be not only racist, but have lower intelligence quotients than liberals. Coincidence?

Someone is a Democrat one day and a Republican another. Why so focused on a two party system?? So divided. I wonder if this was the plan all along.

some people say that this is a rant, but its strongly rooted in politics, so i think it should stay there, (assuming i was a mod and could make that type of decision lol)


but hey OP, to be completely honest, i don't like republicans OR democrats.


i believe in freedom and unlimited choices and fun and happiness for everyone, with low bureaucracy.

reply to post by sealing


Not a bad conglomeration.

I actually agree with some points.

But not in their entirety.

Some more specific details are required however.

You need to get deep details to back up your claims.



Ultra Liberal far Left Marxist "Intellectuals" have been responsible for the majority of all major financial and social boondoggles in history. We are right in the middle of one right now.

The Soviet Union was a classic failure and financial windfall for the extremists in charge over there.

I'm glad you have exposed even more and opened a sane discussion opportunity.



The complete and utter failure of the school system is an example of Ultra Fibbie Libbie agendas by Liberal administrators and politicians.

I thought the student loan issue was about the interest rate, not about getting rid of it.
The loans are guaranteed anyway I thought

How much would a higher rate add to the monthly payment of a graduate who gets a good job after college ?


Some of the best economic booms have been started by conservative initiatives.

examples later .....

reply to post by neo96


Can you provide something a little more tangible than a silly picture for this?

The only problem is the booms become the busts. Now, the discussion than becomes why?? Monetary Policy??

Hey screw democrats and republicans they both are for the money. Every time both dem and rep will screw you for more money. These people are corporation owned and manufactured.

Originally posted by JiggyPotamus
This is why the majority of true "intellectuals" are democrats. There are policies on both sides that are useable, and some treacherous, but examining each party from a distance, anyone who is not wealthy who is a Republican has some type of problem with understanding and perception. Remember the study that was done not too long ago that concluded Republicans were much more likely to be not only racist, but have lower intelligence quotients than liberals. Coincidence?

Interesting

Perhaps true but that depends on who the intellectuals were that wrote the credible "study".

What study was that ? People might be curious to read it and analyze.

I always thought the majority of average Liberals were the followers of the general Karl Marx agenda that most don't even understand in the first place.

Originally posted by hoochymama
The only problem is the booms become the busts. Now, the discussion than becomes why?? Monetary Policy??

The busts are usually the result of Liberal interference.

They did the last bust with the derivatives markets.

And they ended up looting the U.S. Treasury.

Many banks are Left Wing fronts disguised as evil corporations.
Liberals have infiltrated the higher management.

Not easy to believe.

The true and genuine conservative financial people are not interested in "busts".
It's bad for business as we now know.
Banks suffer and companies suffer and workers suffer and the general population suffers.

The Liberals like it because that's how they get the money into their hands.

One believes the guberment should run everything. The other wants to leave it to big buisness. I can promise you they both want to control every thing. They will divide and conquer. I believe Obama has ripped so many of our freedoms away, and futher drove this country to a unsurmountable debt.

That being said; Bush, and I think even more so Chenney set up 9-11 and two wars that were strictly for profit.
More to the point I promise you neither is working for your best interest. Face it, We are the copper tops power the machine and until we wake up thats all we will be.

reply to post by xuenchen
I think you can point to that in the last 10 years as when Democrats take over "Republican" policies they may screw them up. But, there have been reversals of that example as well in History. A Democratic Policy being screwed after a "Republican" take over.

That is why "Liberal" vs "Conservative" cant always work out that way. It all depends on the situation.

Originally posted by hoochymama
reply to post by xuenchen

 

I think you can point to that in the last 10 years as when Democrats take over "Republican" policies they may screw them up. But, there have been reversals of that example as well in History. A Democratic Policy being screwed after a "Republican" take over.

That is why "Liberal" vs "Conservative" cant always work out that way. It all depends on the situation.

I tend to agree.

The OP, I believe, may be looking for specific examples.

Let's see if any show up that can be identified and exampled.


EDIT to Add: I noticed this topic is now a rant.

And it looks like some of the opening post has been edited as well.

I hope newcomers find the thread now. this could be a good discussion.

reply to post by sealing

You hate Unions.
Do you understand that?
"They" made you hate Unions.
Let me repeat that.
"They" made "You" hate unions.
WTF?
You do know who unions are right?
They are more likely your neighbors,
than say, Cheney or David Koch?
FireFighters, Teachers, our
MADE IN THE USA factory workers etc
That's Union.
You Know 40 hr work week?
The weekend off? and no child labor?
Those commie Unions brought you that.

They made you hate teachers.
Teachers!? Do you hear yourselves?

I think some "Unions" have done plenty good for workers and have actually stabilized companies in many ways.

What I personally loathe is the Corruption and petty jealousies involved on both sides.

Take out the Corruption and theft, and you might have the Golden Ratio.

The Housing Bubble would be the main example at least in this case and probably Slavery in a broader discussion.

reply to post by xuenchen
Could point to Bully Corruption in these cases which are covered up and also "shown" when there needed. Probably when some Union Thugs get shown on a Youtube video at the same time a Contract is being negotiated.

But, this is a case of a system already abused. I can almost guarantee if the FED did not exist there might not be a need for a Union force. Monetary Policy would also change some attitudes towards being unfair to your workers.

That was the main reason for Unions in the first place?? Fairness??