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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
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lets not forget, Rp is an OBGYN that is NOT FOR WOMENS REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. Does that not bring his character into question?


Because someone thinks abortion is wrong it somehow means their character is bad? That's what you're saying? I don't quite understand your logic, or rather your absence of logic.


ahh yes, another ad hom from a cultist. Par for the course.

Any doctor who dedicates his life to women's health, yet doesnt think women should be able to make their own health-related decisions, has questionable character in my eyes. Not exactly rocket science.


Not when someone else's life is involved (the baby). So no it's not rocket science, or are you saying you can prove whether or not an unborn baby is alive? As far as I know nobody has done so because people have different ideas of what "alive" means. Also saying you don't have logic isn't Ad hominem, it's merely pointing out the obvious.


Are you really here trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong?


This isnt an abortion thread. It is an RP thread. My opinion is that any gyno not for womens reproductive rights has questionable character, and its just as valid as your opinion, as much as you cultists like to think yours is the only that is correct.

For the record though, science and the supreme court have decided when a fetus is viable.

And look at that, you defend your ad hom with...imagine that....an AD HOM! Way to go!




posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
reply to post by autowrench
 


lets not forget, Rp is an OBGYN that is NOT FOR WOMENS REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. Does that not bring his character into question?


Because someone thinks abortion is wrong it somehow means their character is bad? That's what you're saying? I don't quite understand your logic, or rather your absence of logic.


ahh yes, another ad hom from a cultist. Par for the course.

Any doctor who dedicates his life to women's health, yet doesnt think women should be able to make their own health-related decisions, has questionable character in my eyes. Not exactly rocket science.


Not when someone else's life is involved (the baby). So no it's not rocket science, or are you saying you can prove whether or not an unborn baby is alive? As far as I know nobody has done so because people have different ideas of what "alive" means. Also saying you don't have logic isn't Ad hominem, it's merely pointing out the obvious.


Are you really here trying to tell me that my opinion is wrong?


This isnt an abortion thread. It is an RP thread. My opinion is that any gyno not for womens reproductive rights has questionable character, and its just as valid as your opinion, as much as you cultists like to think yours is the only that is correct.


Nice ad hom there



For the record though, science and the supreme court have decided when a fetus is viable.


The supreme court aren't experts on the subject and scientists haven't come to a conclusion so this is false.


And look at that, you defend your ad hom with...imagine that....an AD HOM! Way to go!


You don't know what an Ad hominem is, so I suggest you stop referencing it like it's your favorite phrase that you just heard of yesterday.
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:57 PM
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nevermind
edit on 30-4-2012 by captaintyinknots because: because there is no point in debating a cultist that tries to go off topic at every turn



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?



When you don't have any proof to back up your mindless slander it's time to step away from the keyboard.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?




Lol this is funny.. a habitual liar calling someone a habitaul liar.... go back to shill mountain that you yourself declare you come from...

So lame but once again I have to assume at heart you are a RON PAUL supporter and are just pushing such an ignorance stance to push people away from your stated beliefs... keep up the good fight we thank you

Muah



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:14 PM
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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?



When you don't have any proof to back up your mindless slander it's time to step away from the keyboard.


dont you get it these people have quotas they have to fill so they can go home with a paycheck...

They really help the cause though.. they strengthen supporters that see through the crap and they show people that dont what crap it really is



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:22 PM
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Originally posted by MidnightTide


You hit all the propaganda points, good job.


Thanks, I know there's not much you can say in response of substance, but that's alright; it's a free country.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:25 PM
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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer




Just FYI on the newsletters and etc. Ron Paul is either 1: a racist who wrote newsletters under his name and then lied about it in 2011, or 2, A moron who published racist newsletters by mistake and lied about it in 2008. It's not merely the newsletters, but also the persistent involvement with racists such as the founders of Stormfront.org, and various former campaign associates who have Klan ties.


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Yes, and when you can't avoid a legitimate accusation of racism, always claim that the opposition is trying to silence debate.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:26 PM
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Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?



A habitual liar? I'm sorry, but that isn't the case at all. If you've watched the debates, Ron Paul is not the one who consistently distorts facts and figures, or plainly makes them up. Paul does not spit rhetoric, he is consistent and consistently logical. Far more consistent than other politician alive today. If you truly believe he is racist, you must not be looking at the facts. Paul has taken a lot of heat for his newsletters that were circulated more than twenty years ago that carry racial bias and motives, however, and this has been proven, they were not written by him. Regardless, this is not good enough for everyone, it seems that everyone is either looking for someone who is nothing but flawless or nothing but flawed. I can tell you, the first does not exist, but the second surely does. While Paul is not absolutely perfect, I can tell you that his track record is far more pristine than that of Romney, Gingrich, Obama, and any other politician running or that has been in the running for president. Ron Paul is not the American savior, but he is certainly a step in the right direction.
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:33 PM
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Originally posted by Resonant

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?



Paul has taken a lot of heat for his newsletters that were circulated more than twenty years ago that carry racial bias and motives, however, and this has been proven, they were not written by him.


Even mentioning it gives it too much credibility, and you fall into the shill's trap because that's the only debate point he has. Just ignore him and let him make his racist accusations in his corner.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Even though I clarified that these are 5 people that came to the same ideas as I did independently of me (meaning we did not have any influence on each other, I was surprised to find so many people I knew had done the same thing as me). It doesn't matter, because I was proud partisan democrat and I came to the decision to support Paul on my own. If I did, then of course there are others out there that came to the same conclusion as me. It is not a spontaneous conclusion there are things that factor in. They led me in one direction and the same things will lead others in the same direction. You are being a little delusional here.

I also linked you to an entire organization of these disenfranchised dems though I don't figure you gave it a look. This isn't a localized phenomenon it's a mass exodus.


You're trying to make a generalization from cherry-picked anecdotes. If you want to make the claim that a significant number of Obama voters are going to switch to Ron Paul, then you need to link to some scientific polls. Otherwise, you're just blowing smoke.


Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Also.."he is a despicable man" lol. You have no reason to believe such a thing. He has great morals, and if ANY candidate has a god/messiah complex it is Obama. He even made superman references in regards to himself. People treated him like a messiah in '08. You need to snap out of it. You have been brainwashed by the MSM. Do a little independent research on Paul. Watch some videos of him rather than what the MSM tells you about him.I guarantee any Paul supporter knows more about their candidate than you know about yours. We know he is a decent man, with morals, because he is probably one of the most independently researched candidates in history.


Perhaps you know more about Ron Paul than I know about Obama, but this is a discussion board, not a trivia contest. I have extensively researched Ron Paul's philosophy, history, associates, and positions. I find him lacking.


Originally posted by GogoVicMorrowWhat's more is your misunderstanding of his policy and your thinking that he is at all racist. Of course he is not racist...It is ridiculous to make baseless accusations like that.


All I have to say is that Ron Paul supporters, like their idol, have an excuse for everything. Look- if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's probably a duck. There are three ways of looking at the newspaper episode, along with other fundraising materials, and his speech in front of a confederate flag claiming the south was right in the civil war.

  1. Ron Paul is a Racist and knew what was published in the newsletters. This should disqualify him from any national office.
  2. Ron Paul is not a racist, and approved of the newsletters in a bid to appeal to racists, paranoids and insane people, in an attempt to gain public office. This should disqualify him from getting the votes of any sane person.
  3. Ron Paul is not Racist and Had no knowledge of the newsletter content. This implies that he is incompetent, and has poor judgement when it comes to deciding whom to trust. You guessed it. This is still a huge black mark on his record.




Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Also the gold/silver backed currency is what we NEED. It is sound. When our money stopped being backed by gold and silver was when all the problems began (that and the start of the FED). You do know that our money used to be backed by silver and gold right? Everything was fine then, why do you think it is some absurd notion now?


Look: goldbugs are delusional. The idea that all the economic problems began with the fed is laughable: There have been economic crises and recessions since the beginning of capitalism. Everything certainly was not "fine" before fiat currency.

en.wikipedia.org...

In fact, the gold standard prolonged the great depression.

en.wikipedia.org...

Ron Paul's economic platform is based on a fringe group, called the 'austrian' economists, who have been sustained in existence by donations from wealthy right-wingers... Needless to say, their views are rejected overwhelmingly by professional economists. They are more con-men than scholars.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 07:41 PM
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Ron Paul cannot be worse than Obama?! Obama has done nothing, nada.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:08 PM
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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Originally posted by Resonant

Originally posted by DrEugeneFixer

Originally posted by The Sword

... I also disagree with the user who cited "despicable morals" as a reason not to vote for RP.

What a #ty reason.


Ron Paul is a habitual liar who panders to racists and extremists in pursuit of power. I believe those are moral failings that should disqualify him from office.

I take it you believe otherwise?



Paul has taken a lot of heat for his newsletters that were circulated more than twenty years ago that carry racial bias and motives, however, and this has been proven, they were not written by him.


Even mentioning it gives it too much credibility, and you fall into the shill's trap because that's the only debate point he has. Just ignore him and let him make his racist accusations in his corner.


You're right. I do not need to make any excuses for the man. I have done my due diligence and research with an unbiased approach and that is why I support Ron Paul. I couldn't care less about political parties and affiliations, as well as outside personal opinions, because really, for me, my opinion is the only opinion that should matter. I welcome intelligent debate, but if it is backed by hearsay and hyperbole, I do not see much of a point.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by Allenb83
The federal reserve is a private bank not bound by governmental rules or regulations.


That's just a lie. The federal reserve was created by act of congress, and it's chairmen are appointed by the president and approved by the senate. All profit is returned to the treasury.


Originally posted by Allenb83Our government receives money from the federal reserve in exchange for credit via bonds in the form of debt, which they sell to foreign entities in order to gain capital.


That's a confusion. The Federal Reserve Bank buys and sells assets on the open market, including government bonds, in order to set interest rates that will both minimize inflation and fight unemployment. This is its "dual mandate", as specified by law.
en.wikipedia.org...


Originally posted by Allenb83
The federal reserve was created in 1913 around christmas, when most of the government was at home under the christmas tree exchanging presents.


Another lie. The Federal reserve act was debated and voted on like any other bill, in fact it passed by a huge margin in both house and senate.
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Originally posted by Allenb83
The more money our government prints into circulation, the less it is worth. Thats why our credit rating has been downgraded.


Sigh: another lie:


– the reason for the downgrade was congressional dysfunction. In other words, S&P suggests that the US has the financial ability to head off a debt crisis, but doubts whether it has the political ability to strike the compromises necessary. "More broadly, the downgrade reflects our view that the effectiveness, stability, and predictability of American policymaking and political institutions have weakened at a time of ongoing fiscal and economic challenges to a degree more than we envisioned," an S&P statement reads.

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Originally posted by Allenb83The bottom line is, if our currency is only as good as the money it is printed on, then devaluation will continue and the system will fail. Ron Paul wants to provide the american people with a competing currency to the federal reserve note, one that is backed by gold and silver, and let the people decide which is best for them. Its called freedom of choice.


It is already legal to issue private currency backed by gold and silver (or otherwise) In fact there are several local currencies throughout the country. It is also legal to contract in terms of gold. So it's not clear in the least what Ron Paul's plan is?
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Originally posted by Allenb83
Ron Pauls ideas on a gold backed currency are overwhelmingly rejected by formal vice presidents and directors of strategic affairs at the FEDERAL RESERVE.


Not to mention nearly all economists in the entire world.


Originally posted by Allenb83
If you name a newsletter after yourself like Ron Paul did with the newsletter, I guess its kind of difficult for people to differentiate between his name and the newsletter itself. Its like the difference between naming a donut shop John Carl's donuts or Donut Palace. You put your name on it. Its still a donut shop ran by other people.


Bull#. You put your name on a magazine and put out political ideas out there as part of a campaign for congress, you're accountable for what is written. I've gone over this before. In 2006, Paul acknowledged writing them, in 2012, he denied it. When was he lying? you tell me?


"Back in 1996, Paul narrowly eked out a congressional victory over Democrat Lefty Morris, who made the newsletters one of his main campaign issues, damning them both for their racial content and for their advocacy of drug legalization. At the time, Paul defended the statements that appeared under his name, claiming that they expressed his "philosophical differences" with Democrats and had been "taken out of context."

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Originally posted by Allenb83
And campaign associates with Klan ties... haven't ever heard of any. Maybe you could enlighten me and others about this.

Randy Gray
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by bl4ke360

Even mentioning it gives it too much credibility, and you fall into the shill's trap because that's the only debate point he has. Just ignore him and let him make his racist accusations in his corner.


Just ignore the facts and they'll go away? NO. Answer this: Is Ron Paul Incompetent, Racist, or Cynical?

Anyway, As I have posted, there are plenty more reasons to disregard Ron Paul



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:44 PM
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I don't really know what you mean by going against him. If you are referring to my comment on being a former Dem that voted for Obama. I was never against Ron Paul, I actually kinda liked him, I can honestly say during the last election I never did (or felt the need to do) what these anti RP people are doing. This is new to this election cycle. I only voted for Obama because I couldn't allow Palin in. I was more of a Kucinich man.

However I can agree that it will suck for these guys who have actively been bashing RP and undermine our efforts to help him will probably regret it in the future when things aren't getting any better and they start to actually see the light.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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Man.. you don't get it at all. You have to vote in the corrupt system to expose the corruption.
When the GOP fraud is in their own contest against one of their own candidates then of course you still vote for that person. It's not like they are going to support the same type of GOP that committed the fraud. Actually Democrats are retarded because they have let a chance to destroy the GOP slip out of their hands (which is explained by their being democrats) by voting RP enough to split the delegates and party.

Ron Paul supporters are not just going and voting though. They are voting in a corrupt system so the corruption can be outed. If you don't vote for your guy in the corrupt system then he loses and no fraud is committed, if a ton of people vote then either he wins or it is very difficult to defraud the vote. They are voting to expose, and to have honest people take over the corrupt GOP members, they are setting the stage for a big change in America.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:52 PM
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posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 08:54 PM
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