How to find Truth? My answer - Secret Brotherhood

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by artistpoet

 

Can you ever say you are not?
Are you? Or are you not?
To be or not to be? That is the question.

I am.

edit on 29-4-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

I am trying to draw you out but not in a bad way
You see this inner knowing you have is your truth
Not all have stopped seeking and illuminating further can inform others
To speak one's own truth can never be the whole truth
We may well come from the same ineffable source but we live and experience different life's
From nothing everything comes - it is a beautiful tapestry we are all helping to weave
So a few more threads of your understanding is what I am saying
This is is a fascinating subject The Truth

reply to post by artistpoet


The 'nothing' is the truth. As you say out of nothing comes everything. The everything is contained in the nothing. The nothing is the container.
I am nothing is the truth. I am not a 'thing' of existence, i am the seer and knower of existence, i am awareness.
I am is the truth, the way and the life.

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It is a beautiful tapestry but we are not weaving it. On one side of the tapestry is what is seen and the other side is the seer. The tapestry is two sided but it is one.

I do not need to help others wake up because i have realized that there are no 'others'.
There is only 'this'.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by artistpoet

 

Maybe you could explain what you mean by 'the source of the spark of life'.

If you read your posts in this thread you will see you have called someone condesending twice, maybe you just forgot.

edit on 29-4-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

First you are saying I have called someone condescending yet I said It "sounds" condescending.
Can you see the difference.
Yes I could explain more of what I mean by the source of the spark of life but that would be my truth and your truth would be different.
But OK for the sake of the discussion I will add a little more but remember it is my thoughts only and I am limited.
By the source of the spark of life - I am referring to the initial or first cause that created life as we know it.
Sciences measure what they are aware of as best they can yet the big question is left unanswered.
Religions attempts to explain as do Mystery schools etc.
In my opinion I believe that the Universe we know and the Universe we do not know was created by a Higher Intelligence - an actual Being that became it aware it existed.
Now I could go on but it is my thoughts only.
So what do you think

reply to post by artistpoet


You speak as though 'the spark of life' was a long time ago. It is assumed that the spark of life was the beginning, some say the 'big bang', some say God did it. But whatever it 'was', is assumed to have happened a long time ago.
Life is being created now. It is appearing and disappearing now. What you see before you is the big bang banging. This moment and you are inseparable. This right here and right now is the alpha and the omega. There is nothing outside of this ever present nowness.
You are now and all things appear and disappear to you, in you, as you.

Most people think the world is solid but the world (existence) is constantly changing. Most people think that they are impermanent and the world is permanent. But when it is investigated it is seen to be the other way around.
Can you see an image on a tv if there is no screen present? No image can appear without there being something for it to appear on. You are the screen on which existence is painted.
The screen is not noticed because of the image that is appearing. The image seems to obscure the screen. The screen is silent, still and empty. When the pure screen is found, peace is found to be the natural state.

What I spoke of was awareness becoming aware of itself.
This awareness being A Being as we too are beings
It is interesting to consider that this Being was also created by whom or what?
We are not God or this Being
We need to aim lower
We are but an essence of the whole we are not the whole only in essence there is a difference

reply to post by Avatar777


The truth is not absolute, it is relative to a state of being or state of consciousness.

Can humans walk on air? The truth depends on whether you are on Earth or the moon.

Having consciousness means that everything you experience or observe is truth. So I don't understand how you can be searching for something that is self evident. Maybe what you mean is that you would like to expand your state of consciousness. If so, then all you have to do is live life more fully so that you can absorb larger amounts of truth.

Originally posted by artistpoet
What I spoke of was awareness becoming aware of itself.
This awareness being A Being as we too are beings
It is interesting to consider that this Being was also created by whom or what?
We are not God or this Being
We need to aim lower
We are but an essence of the whole we are not the whole only in essence there is a difference

edit on 29-4-2012 by artistpoet because: (no reason given)

Awareness is the only being. You believe there is an awareness and a you. That is the separation. You have separated yourself from the truth by believing in two. There is only one.
When the two become one the kingdom of heaven will be known.
You are awareness.
You are aware of thoughts, emotions, sights, sounds, smell, taste, touch. You are aware of a character called Artispoet. Every 'thing' known appears in awareness.

Nothing can appear outside of awareness. Awareness is present right now, it cannot not be present. It is the truth which allows all things to appear. Humans are lost because they believe in things that are not true. They believe in the stories that the mind tell. The stories are just stories. The hearer and knower of the story is not a story.

Nothing can appear without your presence. Because you 'are' everything else can be. The 'everything' is just a movie that appears on your screen. Your screen is the screen of awareness. It is like a blank canvas before any paint has been applied. When you know yourself to be the blank canvas it does not matter what picture appears.

Of course I am a separate individual as you are
You are not the Universe or it's creator
You are a part of it
Yet in essence all is of the same initial source

Originally posted by artistpoet


Of course I am a separate individual as you are
You are not the Universe or it's creator
You are a part of it
Yet in essence all is of the same initial source

edit on 29-4-2012 by artistpoet because: (no reason given)

You believe you are a separate individual. I know I am not. It is one. There is no separation in oneness. The separation is just a belief, a lie, a mistake. That is why this one and only truth is so valuable as it dispels the biggest lie of all.
This lie is the cause of all mental suffering.
When the truth is known not told, but 'known', the mental torture is no more. There is nothing wrong with the world, it is the mind that will not let you rest in peace.

Originally posted by artistpoet


Of course I am a separate individual as you are
You are not the Universe or it's creator
You are a part of it
Yet in essence all is of the same initial source

edit on 29-4-2012 by artistpoet because: (no reason given)

You have mistaken yourself to be something you are not. The truth shall set you free.
Lies and beliefs will leave you lost and confused.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by artistpoet


Of course I am a separate individual as you are
You are not the Universe or it's creator
You are a part of it
Yet in essence all is of the same initial source

edit on 29-4-2012 by artistpoet because: (no reason given)

You believe you are a separate individual. I know I am not. It is one. There is no separation in oneness. The separation is just a belief, a lie. That is why this one and only truth is so valuable as it dispels the biggest lie of all.
This lie is the cause of all mental suffering.
When the truth is known, not told, but 'known', the mental torture is no more.

edit on 29-4-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

So you are saying there are no individuals
Do you think that you are I or I you because it sounds that way
In that case the Milky Way Galaxy and Andromeda and all others are the same galaxy
That Jesus is Hitler also
I have already spoken of all being of the One but again we are not the One we have a long way to go

reply to post by Itisnowagain

So are you saying you know the truth and it has set you free
And I know not the truth and am a prisoner

reply to post by artistpoet


Everything is appearing presently as one thing. The seer and the seen is all that is happening really.
The seer and the seen are one.

reply to post by Itisnowagain

I see you edited your post so I will respond to that
I am neither lost or confused

Originally posted by artistpoet
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

So are you saying you know the truth and it has set you free
And I know not the truth and am a prisoner

If you are suffering then you are a prisoner, imprisoned in the mind. I do not suffer so i am free, i see that i am not in the mind. I have known suffering and i didn't like it so i found a way to make it stop.

Originally posted by Itisnowagain

Originally posted by artistpoet
reply to post by Itisnowagain

 

So are you saying you know the truth and it has set you free
And I know not the truth and am a prisoner

If you are suffering then you are a prisoner. I do not suffer so i am free. I have known suffering and i didn't like it so i found a way to make it stop.

I am not suffering or a prisoner and glad to hear you are not
So to get back on topic do you agree with the OP
"How to find Truth? My answer - Secret Brotherhood"
My reply is the answer lays within and we each have the answer to any question we may ask

reply to post by artistpoet


You are the answer.
But, what are you?

Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by artistpoet

 

You are the answer.
But, what are you?

edit on 29-4-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)

Lol that is a circular question - If you wish to know look within