Why are so many abductees white people?
Also, the fat dude with the "they are among us" shirt, preeeeeeeetty sure he's just a crazy.
Cat People, Strippers and Telekinesis: Tales From Alien Abductees, page 1
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Topic started on 28-4-2012 @ 10:37 AM by Kandinsky
Cat People, Strippers and
Telekinesis: Tales From Alien Abductees
The guys you’ve just been looking at are abductees – no unusual features, nothing that would cause you to look twice at them in the street. They don’t look especially enlightened, beaten down or smarter than your average bear.
Abductees are a niche outpost within this sub-culture of ufology; they belong to the world of abduction society. Some might argue that there’s no such thing as ‘abduction society’ but I’d say there is. It's a culture. Certainly, they have a number of dedicated websites, leading figures and attend the same events. They refer to the same books and talk in similar terms about what their abducting creatures mean to them. All this provides a barrier to protect their perceptions from the outside world. So we’ll find support networks and a brigade of militant posters making anonymous comments across the internet.
It’s an insular world and ripe for self-confirmation. At the same time, if anyone held the belief that they were being taken away (not by Peter Pan) by something a little more unusual, perhaps they’d also seek out others with the same ideas? Then, from within this isolated community, all manner of belief-systems will begin to grow.
This thread isn’t intended as a long run up to give abductee culture, in general, a kicking. It’s just to draw attention to the work of the photographer, Steven Hirsch, and to highlight the generic averageness of those making the claims to have been taken by so-called ET. Some of the featured stories are very hard to swallow and it's interesting to look at the wackier side of it all.
Cynthia is top left in the images and speaks of meeting all manner of critters and colours during her abductions…
Jeffrey describes being abducted whilst drunk in a lap-dancing bar…
You’ll find several more accounts (including Travis Walton’s) at the story link and they are easily a wide variety of stories and accounts.
In Cynthia’s case, it’s very hard not to notice she’s referencing a horde of internet critters that have no provenance beyond channelers and BS artists. Assyrian Warriors of Light? Blue Arcturians? Freaking ‘cat people of Sirius?’ How could a bloody cat evolve technology when it can’t even hold a stick? Cats can’t open their own cans of food let alone fly their furry asses over here.
In Jeffrey's case, his statement tells us several things about him. He’s got a history of psychedelic drug-use, he goes to strip-bars alone, and he gets drunk (‘few drinks’) alone. Nothing wrong with that and maybe a good night every blue moon? The problem is, if Jeffrey saw a crime take place in that same strip-bar on the same night, chances are he’d be classed as an unreliable witness. Maybe he was watching the girls dancing and wishing he’d get taken away from his lonely perch at the bar?
I honestly don’t know what to think of abductees or the claims of abductees. Whilst some have genuinely reported experiences that are extremely real to them, it’d be stupid to believe that *every* claim is real. Some of these accounts are badly-imagined fiction but the accompanying photographs are a part of the social history of the sublimely ridiculous sub-culture of ufology.
The guys you’ve just been looking at are abductees – no unusual features, nothing that would cause you to look twice at them in the street. They don’t look especially enlightened, beaten down or smarter than your average bear.
Abductees are a niche outpost within this sub-culture of ufology; they belong to the world of abduction society. Some might argue that there’s no such thing as ‘abduction society’ but I’d say there is. It's a culture. Certainly, they have a number of dedicated websites, leading figures and attend the same events. They refer to the same books and talk in similar terms about what their abducting creatures mean to them. All this provides a barrier to protect their perceptions from the outside world. So we’ll find support networks and a brigade of militant posters making anonymous comments across the internet.
It’s an insular world and ripe for self-confirmation. At the same time, if anyone held the belief that they were being taken away (not by Peter Pan) by something a little more unusual, perhaps they’d also seek out others with the same ideas? Then, from within this isolated community, all manner of belief-systems will begin to grow.
This thread isn’t intended as a long run up to give abductee culture, in general, a kicking. It’s just to draw attention to the work of the photographer, Steven Hirsch, and to highlight the generic averageness of those making the claims to have been taken by so-called ET. Some of the featured stories are very hard to swallow and it's interesting to look at the wackier side of it all.
Cynthia is top left in the images and speaks of meeting all manner of critters and colours during her abductions…
I've met Salamander beings and I've met various different types of Greys. I've also met the Blue Arcturians which are incredible. They all have their own personalities and their own purposes. I've met Andromedans, the Assyrian Warriors of Light. I've met the Sirius Nephrons. I've also met the Cat People that are from Sirius. I've actually seen people that can shape shift from human looking to Reptilians.
Jeffrey describes being abducted whilst drunk in a lap-dancing bar…
"It happened eleven years ago in St. Louis, Missouri at an exotic dancing bar. I went in there to just have a few drinks and look at some strip-girls dance around the pole. And this guy comes in out of nowhere and he was black in color but he had a very strange voice. And he knew things about me that no-one in the bar knew. Like how many trips I took. He knew things I was doing. He knew when my parents were going to die and what they were going to die of… I was swept up for like three hours and they did exactly what they said they were going to do to me and then took me back to the bar and woke me up and I lost three hours in time
You’ll find several more accounts (including Travis Walton’s) at the story link and they are easily a wide variety of stories and accounts.
In Cynthia’s case, it’s very hard not to notice she’s referencing a horde of internet critters that have no provenance beyond channelers and BS artists. Assyrian Warriors of Light? Blue Arcturians? Freaking ‘cat people of Sirius?’ How could a bloody cat evolve technology when it can’t even hold a stick? Cats can’t open their own cans of food let alone fly their furry asses over here.
In Jeffrey's case, his statement tells us several things about him. He’s got a history of psychedelic drug-use, he goes to strip-bars alone, and he gets drunk (‘few drinks’) alone. Nothing wrong with that and maybe a good night every blue moon? The problem is, if Jeffrey saw a crime take place in that same strip-bar on the same night, chances are he’d be classed as an unreliable witness. Maybe he was watching the girls dancing and wishing he’d get taken away from his lonely perch at the bar?
I honestly don’t know what to think of abductees or the claims of abductees. Whilst some have genuinely reported experiences that are extremely real to them, it’d be stupid to believe that *every* claim is real. Some of these accounts are badly-imagined fiction but the accompanying photographs are a part of the social history of the sublimely ridiculous sub-culture of ufology.
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 10:54 AM by chrismicha77
Here is a thread I started the other day. It is told from a scientists perspective and has some good points and not so good points.
How To Prove You've Been Abducted By Aliens
I believe humans have been abducted before, I just don't believe the majority of them. Like the people in your OP, I would have a very hard time being convinced they were abducted.
Travis Walton, Betty & Barney Hill, and the Parker & Hickson cases are much harder to disprove.
How To Prove You've Been Abducted By Aliens
I believe humans have been abducted before, I just don't believe the majority of them. Like the people in your OP, I would have a very hard time being convinced they were abducted.
Travis Walton, Betty & Barney Hill, and the Parker & Hickson cases are much harder to disprove.
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 11:13 AM by Rising Against
reply to post by n00bUK
I disagree, I think the idea of an Intelligent being coming from millions of light years away abducting an average joe isn't that hard to grasp in all honesty..
I mean, take us humans for example - If we want to learn about something such as another species, what do we do? We simply take it, we study it and on occasion put it back into the wild where we got it from. If, for example, an alien civilization out there discovered earth, discovered that it had other living "thing's" on it and had a way to travel here without being seen then I really don't think It's out of the question to say just they'd just do what we would undoubtedly do.. they'd take some of us, study us to learn about us that little bit better, to see how similar we may be to them, to see what we have that they don't and so on and on.
Personally I do classify myself as a real skeptic of these stories, and I know to many others abduction stories themselves may seem a little bit far-fetched as well, but the reasoning behind why they would occur is not that "out there" really, not in my opinion anyway. It's quite quite logical to me - After all, once again, we'd probably do the same thing if we could. Also, I think It's worth pointing out that abduction stories don't just come from America. They do come elsewhere.. they just don't, for whatever reason, seem to get as much attention. But just because we don't hear about something though, that doesn't mean it's not there.
I find it hard to even start to grasp modern day abduction stories, the idea that an intelligent being from millions of light years away would only go to America and abduct an average Joe is completely nonsensical to me.
I disagree, I think the idea of an Intelligent being coming from millions of light years away abducting an average joe isn't that hard to grasp in all honesty..
I mean, take us humans for example - If we want to learn about something such as another species, what do we do? We simply take it, we study it and on occasion put it back into the wild where we got it from. If, for example, an alien civilization out there discovered earth, discovered that it had other living "thing's" on it and had a way to travel here without being seen then I really don't think It's out of the question to say just they'd just do what we would undoubtedly do.. they'd take some of us, study us to learn about us that little bit better, to see how similar we may be to them, to see what we have that they don't and so on and on.
Personally I do classify myself as a real skeptic of these stories, and I know to many others abduction stories themselves may seem a little bit far-fetched as well, but the reasoning behind why they would occur is not that "out there" really, not in my opinion anyway. It's quite quite logical to me - After all, once again, we'd probably do the same thing if we could. Also, I think It's worth pointing out that abduction stories don't just come from America. They do come elsewhere.. they just don't, for whatever reason, seem to get as much attention. But just because we don't hear about something though, that doesn't mean it's not there.
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 11:22 AM by webpirate
reply to post by Kandinsky
Why do they all seem to have that either "deer caught in the headlights" look, or "I'm a homicidal maniac looking for my next fresh victim"look?
Why do they all seem to have that either "deer caught in the headlights" look, or "I'm a homicidal maniac looking for my next fresh victim"look?
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 12:44 PM by Druscilla
reply to post by Kandinsky
I <3 you Kadinsky!
Too often are too many of these abduction cases taken as reality when in reality they're total works of fiction dreamed up by lonely people wanting some kind of attention, as well as people who are genuinely suffering from a psychological pathology.
From a demographic sampling, without any real vetting processes in place for reports, like, for instance, a personality profile with picture (as you've somewhat illustrated above), it's a difficult thing to put a percentage of probability on the numbers of cases which are indeed a result of this fantasy role playing game mentality.
I'd wager however, the incident ratio for fiction over fact to be quite high.
As part of the pathology aspect, we have genuine conditions like sleep paralysis where abduction experiences have been replicated in the lab under controlled conditions through the application of certain techniques involving drugs that bring about a false sense of impending death.
I'm in agreement that these are very high probability indications that a number of cases are the result of these conditions occurring naturally in the wild.
On the other hand, due the frequency and prevalence of the abduction phenomenon, as a matter of responsibility in examination, there are a number of cases that seem to reflect real physical abduction events occurring.
Some or even much of this could very well be self abuse, either consciously or unconsciously.
What's left over from that, though, still leaves us with 'something' going on that's yet to be properly examined.
I <3 you Kadinsky!
Too often are too many of these abduction cases taken as reality when in reality they're total works of fiction dreamed up by lonely people wanting some kind of attention, as well as people who are genuinely suffering from a psychological pathology.
From a demographic sampling, without any real vetting processes in place for reports, like, for instance, a personality profile with picture (as you've somewhat illustrated above), it's a difficult thing to put a percentage of probability on the numbers of cases which are indeed a result of this fantasy role playing game mentality.
I'd wager however, the incident ratio for fiction over fact to be quite high.
As part of the pathology aspect, we have genuine conditions like sleep paralysis where abduction experiences have been replicated in the lab under controlled conditions through the application of certain techniques involving drugs that bring about a false sense of impending death.
I'm in agreement that these are very high probability indications that a number of cases are the result of these conditions occurring naturally in the wild.
On the other hand, due the frequency and prevalence of the abduction phenomenon, as a matter of responsibility in examination, there are a number of cases that seem to reflect real physical abduction events occurring.
Some or even much of this could very well be self abuse, either consciously or unconsciously.
What's left over from that, though, still leaves us with 'something' going on that's yet to be properly examined.
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 01:02 PM by n00bUK
Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by n00bUK
I find it hard to even start to grasp modern day abduction stories, the idea that an intelligent being from millions of light years away would only go to America and abduct an average Joe is completely nonsensical to me.
I disagree, I think the idea of an Intelligent being coming from millions of light years away abducting an average joe isn't that hard to grasp in all honesty..
I mean, take us humans for example - If we want to learn about something such as another species, what do we do? We simply take it, we study it and on occasion put it back into the wild where we got it from. If, for example, an alien civilization out there discovered earth, discovered that it had other living "thing's" on it and had a way to travel here without being seen then I really don't think It's out of the question to say just they'd just do what we would undoubtedly do.. they'd take some of us, study us to learn about us that little bit better, to see how similar we may be to them, to see what we have that they don't and so on and on.
Personally I do classify myself as a real skeptic of these stories, and I know to many others abduction stories themselves may seem a little bit far-fetched as well, but the reasoning behind why they would occur is not that "out there" really, not in my opinion anyway. It's quite quite logical to me - After all, once again, we'd probably do the same thing if we could. Also, I think It's worth pointing out that abduction stories don't just come from America. They do come elsewhere.. they just don't, for whatever reason, seem to get as much attention. But just because we don't hear about something though, that doesn't mean it's not there.
Fully understand and agree wholeheartedly. I didnt really explain what i meant, I was trying to say its nonsensical to me that aliens would visit us and only pick up large amounts of Americans (who most of the time look crazy) and not people from other countries such as England or Japan etc.
Yes it makes sense that they would visit us and do what we do when examining new species, but it doesnt make sense only doing it to Americans, it leaves me to believe that most modern day abduction cases are fake, with a very low percentage been genuine. Also leaves me to ponder on why keep on abducting? Are they watching us evolve or checking up on us or something? Is it loads of other species of aliens? Why always the same detailed explanation of how the alien looks, grey, humanoid or reptilian - All these abductions and very low variation of species of aliens abducting these people. Loads of questions and very little answers
And to the person who said the white man is the majority needs to go out of their own country and find that dark skin is the majority, not white.
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 02:36 PM by Kandinsky
reply to post by lazernation
Thanks. It was also drawing attention to a very interesting Wired article.
No, not spiteful at all. Satirical maybe. It's just focusing a little attention on the story-tellers who hitch themselves to a genuinely interesting phenomena. I take a lot of ufology seriously but, if we're honest, most of this sub-culture is supremely absurd.
Admittedly, that makes me absurd too.
reply to post by chrismicha77
I agree with DeGrasse Tyson's case. Without hard evidence, it's understandable that most people won't accept the veracity of UFO or abductee claims.
Where I deeply disagree with him is on the value of UFO reports. He takes the classical sceptical view that all reports are hoaxes or misperceptions of known phenomena. I take the position that there are reports that defy explanation according to our current understanding. The abduction phenomena is something to suspend judgement on because no current explanation accounts for enough aspects to become conclusive.
reply to post by Druscilla
Hiya Druscilla, if you look into it a little deeper, there haven't been any clinical experiments to replicate the abduction experience. Aspects, sure, but thematically or intrinsically, not yet. People might perceive critters and figures - they don't experience the narrative content of the typical abductee claim. This hasn't prevented some commentators from presenting it as a *case closed* scenario and that's pretty typical for a subject that features so many absolutists on all sides.
A nice, wacky, comedic, derogatory slant on a serious issue. Bravo, Mr. Insky.
Thanks. It was also drawing attention to a very interesting Wired article.
This thread just seems very spiteful.
No, not spiteful at all. Satirical maybe. It's just focusing a little attention on the story-tellers who hitch themselves to a genuinely interesting phenomena. I take a lot of ufology seriously but, if we're honest, most of this sub-culture is supremely absurd.
Admittedly, that makes me absurd too.
reply to post by chrismicha77
I agree with DeGrasse Tyson's case. Without hard evidence, it's understandable that most people won't accept the veracity of UFO or abductee claims.
Where I deeply disagree with him is on the value of UFO reports. He takes the classical sceptical view that all reports are hoaxes or misperceptions of known phenomena. I take the position that there are reports that defy explanation according to our current understanding. The abduction phenomena is something to suspend judgement on because no current explanation accounts for enough aspects to become conclusive.
reply to post by Druscilla
As part of the pathology aspect, we have genuine conditions like sleep paralysis where abduction experiences have been replicated in the lab under controlled conditions through the application of certain techniques involving drugs that bring about a false sense of impending death.
Hiya Druscilla, if you look into it a little deeper, there haven't been any clinical experiments to replicate the abduction experience. Aspects, sure, but thematically or intrinsically, not yet. People might perceive critters and figures - they don't experience the narrative content of the typical abductee claim. This hasn't prevented some commentators from presenting it as a *case closed* scenario and that's pretty typical for a subject that features so many absolutists on all sides.
reply posted on 28-4-2012 @ 11:52 PM by Shuyin
Originally posted by Rising Against
reply to post by n00bUK
I find it hard to even start to grasp modern day abduction stories, the idea that an intelligent being from millions of light years away would only go to America and abduct an average Joe is completely nonsensical to me.
I disagree, I think the idea of an Intelligent being coming from millions of light years away abducting an average joe isn't that hard to grasp in all honesty..
I mean, take us humans for example - If we want to learn about something such as another species, what do we do? We simply take it, we study it and on occasion put it back into the wild where we got it from. If, for example, an alien civilization out there discovered earth, discovered that it had other living "thing's" on it and had a way to travel here without being seen then I really don't think It's out of the question to say just they'd just do what we would undoubtedly do.. they'd take some of us, study us to learn about us that little bit better, to see how similar we may be to them, to see what we have that they don't and so on and on.
one thing though if they want an average joe, Why dont they go to Asia. I doubt you'll find any other place with 1.3 billion specimens to study
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