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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 11:41 AM
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I think people are largely getting hung up on this thread in partisan thinking. This is something that has been on my mind a lot throughout the last few years, since occupy and the housing crash and all. The problem we have today, I think, is that more often than not the system favors people who aren't exactly worthy of what they get. Let's take a look at blue collar vs white collar jobs:

In America, white collar jobs are more numerous than they should be IMO, it creates a lot of inefficiency and waste. Many such jobs don't entail much more than supervising a team of people, often other "white collar" workers, yet these jobs yield quite a bit more money than say... your average roofer.

While theoretically, if you are a laborer or skilled tradesmen your pay may largely depend on the success of the business via supply and demand, "free market capitalism" etc. Management positions are paid mostly by big business that holds a large portion of Americas wealth. Well, we don't exactly live in a country that functions on supply and demand anymore, there is a plethora of problems. Such problems as:

1) Welfare-life programs offsetting the law of supply and demand. If the government doles out money for anything, it automatically changes the nature of supply and demand. Food stamps for example, when the government gives people money for food, the price of food will rise so all people who don't rely on the government for food (though they probably have enough income anyways) are subject to higher prices than if it was a truly free market. You have to provide incentive and ease for/of people to get jobs so they can provide for themselves, but big business would rather go somewhere other than America to find their laborers.

2) Over regulation and tax. There is so much regulation and a mountain of fees involved when doing anything related to starting, running and maintaining a small business that it puts your blue collar guy with aspirations of starting his own business at a disadvantage. Everything favors big business and in turn favors these white collar and management positions. While our roofer might destroy his body working all his life and know everything there is to know about roofing, he will never be able to start his own business and he will never make the money to have the entitlements and resources he needs to achieve success in our system.

3) And of course, the creeping corporate entity in America that is ever closing the gap on the American dream. Big business is not concerned with equality, they are concerned with squeezing every last penny out of everything they can. Meanwhile, the government is taxing its more than fair share on some of these products and services in cooperation with big business, while they should be in opposition to this if our representatives truly represented us. Something like this does not have a "stopping point", it continues until it is so bad there will be some kind of social upheaval or tyranny.

So what's the problem? The problem is that when you have enough money to pay for a roof over your head, a meal, are disrespected if only to keep your job, and you don't have much of a chance of ever moving up any ladder you are virtually a slave or an indentured servant. That is what a slave gets, roof, food, disrespect. Whether you like it or not there are people (many) out there, that will routinely disrespect individuals when they know they can get away with it because the individual's job is on the line. America is full of bigotry, corruption is a side effect of money and the entitlement system.

In order to have a "fair" system based on capitalism, you have to have an accurate way of determining what someone is really worth and a truly free market. We have everything but this, the nature of the system is manipulated in order to funnel money and entitlement in certain directions. It's basically a vast, complex system that has the same effect as a dynamic version of feudalism. People will inevitably be separated into different castes and the rich will always seek to plunder the others, simply because they have the resources to do so. AKA class warfare.

Inheritance plays a part in this I think. A man who works all his life and makes a fortune the old fashioned way has learned some bits of wisdom and has a sense of empathy for those that are on the same path as him. When he has a kid, all eventually all his wealth and possessions are passed "freely" down to the child who hasn't learned these lessons you basically get a spoiled tyrant with no sense of what it takes to make money, he only knows that he has it.

Ever wonder how different the country would be if after a person dies, all of his wealth and assets goes back to every American via tax refund? If inheritance did not exist and everyone was forced to move up the ladder in the old fashioned way. Inheritance is inherently feudalism, a super rich family doesn't see itself any different than a lord of old times.




posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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IMHO, the answer:

A hybridization of capitalism and communism. Capitalism with an individual/family wealth limit and only limited inheritance with the remainder going back to the people. I think that might be a step in a truly* progressive direction.

Progress comes from the people of a nation, not an organization. You would think it is obvious (our current dilemma) that a country cannot foster a corporation for success and progress (Keynesian theory), you have to build the foundation first (the people), before you try and build what's on top of it. This is not about making money, it is about stepping forward into our future for our children and all that stuff not stepping back into the dark ages.

Also, corporations are not people and don't have rights. The media is trying to convince you that giving up your freedoms and backwards economic theory that invites tyranny is somehow "more modern" and that we need it in order to go forward as a nation, this is false. Where I'm from, we believed America and Americans should embrace freedom and progress for everyone, not just a corporate oligarchy.

* I highlight this because a lot of people throw around the word "progressive" and don't seem to understand what the word means.
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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 11:55 AM
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It is unfair someone works harder
It is unfair that someone is smarter
It is unfair that some can start with a large family inheritance
It is unfair that Ann has to suffer like this
Please move to China Ann it is unfair we have you here
Who said life has to be fair?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 11:59 AM
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Originally posted by jiggerj


Why is it theft when we say, "Hey rich people, spend the money!"


It's not. But when you say, "Hey rich people, we're TAKING your money." Then it's theft.


Six years ago I had a certain amount of pay with a few raises here and there. Health insurance went up, rent with up, fuel went up, food went up. I am now making less than I was 6 years ago. This isn't theft? This isn't the rich and powerful stealing money from me by manipulating the economy, driving prices up and wages down?
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Inflation isn't theft, it's piss-poor management on a federal level.

Stop giving the people that screwed it for us more authority!



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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I see your point,
but how do we get on the power end of the money vacuum?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by Sphota
reply to post by votan
 


Yeah, but that's just the thing...there's no way around that. When you have such circumstances (people with ridiculous amounts of wealth and power) you have created the scenario that allows for that type of corruption and maintenance of status quo.

You won't find a scenario play out where you have limitless wealth and power, yet an even playing field that allows for the shuffling around of just who those people are who hold that wealth and power.


you are correct. This can be solved if people were allowed to completely work around this system. Anytime anyone tries to become independent from the status quo they find away to put a plug on it.

there is a way around all of this but not many people are willing to go back working the land to be self sufficient and your own man without answering to anyone.

our current society is much more comfortable. we all love our comfy lives and technology... . the price you pay is that you are a pawn to the powerful. you will stay where you are and they will run the show.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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I have to agree it is total unfair that i went to bed woke up and missed a good thread so how about some star redistribution for me?

Yep some people will totally miss that point.

Hoorah for the pushers of something for nothing!!!

Hoooooooorah!!!!



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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That's just insane.

Why is it fundamentally unfair? Some people just like to work hard.

You work hard, you make more money. Bottom line.

You don't like it, I'm sure there's a Communist party somewhere that you can join.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
I have to agree it is total unfair that i went to bed woke up and missed a good thread so how about some star redistribution for me?

Yep some people will totally miss that point.

Hoorah for the pushers of something for nothing!!!

Hoooooooorah!!!!

Neo, I gave you a star. But it wasn't mine to give. I took it from someone who had too many and was hoarding them.
All power to the people!
Occupy a flag!
Occupy a star!



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:34 PM
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Wouldn't you say today slavery is unfair? Yet for for hundreds of years, even thousands there were rich slave owners who laughed when someone asked why life was unfair. Now we have done away with slavery. Oh wait, I forgot, even after the civil war when slavery was abolished we still had slavery because the police would just grab poor black men off the street for loitering and put them in jail for ten years of hard labor. Just so some rich guy would have a pool of cheap labor. And when someone would say that was unfair the rich laughed again and said, "Oh well he broke the law! And I should be able to make as money as I want!" It actually took President Franklin Roosevelt to pass a law saying you couldn't keep people in prison for debt and forced labor (Roosevelt by the way is still hated by the rich to this day).

I have nothing against a man making an honest living. But when you cheat, lie, coerce, horde, trick and scam your way through life off the backs of the poor then you have no business being rich. And if you don't think scamming and trickery doesn't still go on to this day in the search for cheap labor then I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn. If you're rich or an employer just be honest and generous with your workers and you will be respected and honored for what you contribute to society. If you believe that every man has the right to be rich then treat your fellow workers that way. What goes around comes around.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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:You guys did all the work got a form of compensation i didn't and "its just totally unfair"

And i thank you




The wisdom of Bill
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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 01:43 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by InfoKartel
 
Life isn't fair.

In trying to make life "fair" you end up making it unfair to a large part that were succeeding elsewhere.

Again, progs are great at evening the playing field to the lowest common denominator.

If not by force, then by coersion, or by guilt.

Artificial "fairness" is as phoney as any system devised, because people aren't all the same. Some have drive, talent, looks, height, abilities that makes them excel.

Let's punish those that can. For those who can't or won't.

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So progressive means marxist socialist?

Please clarify.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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I just don't get people like this at all. I have been poor my entire life. Impoverished beyond belief on so many occasions even. Yet I have never thought even once that someone who makes a wealthy living owes me or anyone else jack squat. I get that there are wealthy elitist who do bad things to gain there waealth but it seems to me like there is a core group of people who feel just because someone is poor that they should be looked after by those who are not.

This is not the America I grew up in. People should not be punished for doing well and working hard anymore than poor people should be less capable of achieving success in there own lives. There is an unhealthy inequality for sure among poor population and yet Americans who are poor for the most part live better than those who make more money than they do in many cases.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:07 PM
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Progressive, marxist, socialist. . .

All have one thing in common. Centralizing power, basically solidifying government control, authority.

Individual rights, individual mandates, personal responsibility, personal freedoms, liberties are sacrificed for the good of the masses.

At least, that's my take on it.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:20 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by InfoKartel
 
Life isn't fair.

In trying to make life "fair" you end up making it unfair to a large part that were succeeding elsewhere.

Again, progs are great at evening the playing field to the lowest common denominator.

If not by force, then by coersion, or by guilt.

Artificial "fairness" is as phoney as any system devised, because people aren't all the same. Some have drive, talent, looks, height, abilities that makes them excel.

Let's punish those that can. For those who can't or won't.

edit on 28-4-2012 by beezzer because: sp


I bet the bankers get together and toast people like you... The system they have erected
is not even based upon real work anymore, the they are safe with people like you muddying
up the debate that this system is self servicing for those who CAN make
it self servicing.


Conservatives use the lowest common denominator when thought comes onto play, conservatives
prey upon feel good John Wayne, pick yourself up by the bootstraps that fail to consider what is
even being argued.

This thread is a great example



co-host Ann Curry decried people being able to pay more money to get through airport security faster: "...there's an inherent unfairness to it....it's about those with money having an easier life than those who don't. And there's something fundamentally unfair about that."


Sound like conservatives enjoy the idea of a two tiered society, you don't have to wait in line... If
you have money - sounds like John Wayne has sold out.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by John_Rodger_Cornman

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by InfoKartel
 
Life isn't fair.

In trying to make life "fair" you end up making it unfair to a large part that were succeeding elsewhere.

Again, progs are great at evening the playing field to the lowest common denominator.

If not by force, then by coersion, or by guilt.

Artificial "fairness" is as phoney as any system devised, because people aren't all the same. Some have drive, talent, looks, height, abilities that makes them excel.

Let's punish those that can. For those who can't or won't.

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So progressive means marxist socialist?

Please clarify.


When it is used in this context is sometimes means the person uttering the word is close to
being retarded from watching too much Fox news.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:24 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by John_Rodger_Cornman
 
Progressive, marxist, socialist. . .

All have one thing in common. Centralizing power, basically solidifying government control, authority.



So does conservative, tell me a Modern American president who is a good example of what you
are talking about?



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by babybunnies
That's just insane.

Why is it fundamentally unfair? Some people just like to work hard.

You work hard, you make more money. Bottom line.

You don't like it, I'm sure there's a Communist party somewhere that you can join.


She said she thinks is unfair that Rich people can bypass the long lines at the airports
by paying more money -

Is paying money so you can cut in line for a publicly funded checkpoint fair? explain how...



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:26 PM
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Why lets listen to the dukes own words.

Warning theres some foul language in this video

and some vulgar language.
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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:54 PM
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Originally posted by cams
This dude probably thought everything was unfair too....


Homeless men squatting in Ann Curry's $2.9m New York house 14 August 2011

A $2.9m New York house belonging to Ann Curry has been taken over by squatters....

The homeless man was removed from the property yesterday at around 9am.

www.dailymail.co.uk...




Not that I don't believe he shouldn't have been evicted but you know Pot, Kettle, Black and all that.


Her HYPOCRISY knows no bounds..............






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