NBC's Ann Curry Rants: It's 'Fundamentally Unfair' Some Have More Money Than Others

Originally posted by tkwasny
What evidence anywhere in the Universe demonstrates that there is this concept called "fair"? When two galaxies filled with countless trillions of civilizations spend billions of years colliding, eventually destroying all the life contained in both, is that fair? When a "big cat" hunts down a gazelle and sheds it into bite-sized pieces, is that fair? Is it fair a baby is born without certain organs only to die hours later? Fairness is an oddity that only exists is the realm of social PERCEPTION. There is no evidence this is required to be true. Ugly thought isn't it? But none the less true.

THANKS tkwasny, you hit nail right on the head............
No life is not fair. Who or what ever promised 'fairness' ? Fairness is a completely unrealistic concept. No two people are identical nor are any two people motivated by the same drive. 'Fairness' is a concept that is akin to 'Utopia'. Even in Utopia there are those who by nature of their 'drive' succeed and prosper and those who purely consume and exist. 'Fair' is what you tell your bickering children to make them mind, it ultimately has no practical value in the real world. Fair is a Socialist concept.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Then fork some over, Curry. You hypocritical (#!)

Just like a prog.

Always willing to give away other peoples money.

I would be willing to bet that she has taken advantage of that little perk more than once. The left are all hypocrites. None of them are willing or able to walk the walk. Look at Algor; he has a gargantuan carbon footprint then preaches how we all need to reduce our carbon footprint. The same with the elite in Hollyweird and NY. Superficial losers who make a living pretending to be somebody else.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by jiggerj


Okay, put your billions of potential back into circulation so I can earn it. No matter what word you replace money with, that currency still belongs to every American citizen (or whatever country you're from).

If you look at a dollar bill you will find: This note is legal tender for all debts public and private.
Nowhere does it say that it's for hoarding.

NO!!!

STOP IT!

STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO WITH MY PROPERTY!

(sorry for shouting)

See? This is the mindset I'm always fighting. People telling me what to do with my things.

It's none of your business what I do with my money, property, things. As long as I don't affect anyone else, break laws, I can do whatever I damn well please.

No government, no socialist government is going to TELL ME what I can do.

Simple really.

My answer, is, "No."

And, you don't feel it's your duty to society to convert OUR currency into material goods and services?
Funny thing, I just did a google image search on 'flow of money'. There are lots of images to show how our currency flows from businesses to households to government to social security... Not ONE of these charts shows the money NOT flowing. Why? Because money held in a few hands reduces the buying power of the masses. I'm tellin' ya, this was not in the plans when economies were created.

Even if you converted your money into land, antiques, bonds..., your value would not diminsh (but increase!), but the cash would still be available for everyone to earn, buy, and sell. If this wasn't the intent when money was created, it should've been.

Originally posted by jiggerj


And, you don't feel it's your duty to society to convert OUR currency into material goods and services?
Funny thing, I just did a google image search on 'flow of money'. There are lots of images to show how our currency flows from businesses to households to government to social security... Not ONE of these charts shows the money NOT flowing. Why? Because money held in a few hands reduces the buying power of the masses. I'm tellin' ya, this was not in the plans when economies were created.

Even if you converted your money into land, antiques, bonds..., your value would not diminsh (but increase!), but the cash would still be available for everyone to earn, buy, and sell. If this wasn't the intent when money was created, it should've been.

edit on 4/29/2012 by jiggerj because: (no reason given)

The 8000lb elephant in the room that no-one is mentioning is Obama.

When he got elected, even prior to his swearing in, people started hoarding. Cash, materials, assets. Most knew the socialist-fascist ideology that he esoused.

With that much at stake, with no trust in our leadership, people kept their cash.

Want people to spend-recirculate their money? Then create a system that people trust again.

Keep government OUT of it.

reply to post by beezzer

You are exactly right.........

What is fundamentally wrong isn't that some people have more money. Instead it is that by gaining more money one has an advantage in health, longevity, and has a dominion over those who have less. If you think for a minute that the billionairres do not have dominion over you you are in fantasy land. The rich (and I'm not talking about a doctor who works 60 hours a week to make 200k) have stolen your vote through their money. that leaves you a subject of the state, not its implementor. You are sold by the politicans to the uber wealthy.
You earn 50k (or several times that) a year and think that people are after what you have. I think what people are after is a more just system. Minimum wage was once a living wage where a man could support a family on it. Minimum wage in the 1950s, if adjusted for inflation, would be almost $16 an hour today. What happened to that? The rich had their way.
In the 1950s the wealthiest payed over 90% in taxes. Today the "effective" tax rate on these same people is about 17%. Never before has wealth been so concentrated in the hands of the rich. Are they creating jobs and taking care of us serfs? In China maybe.....so they can skirt the minimum wage here.
To say that life isn't fair is not an excuse to fleece the working man. The rich have contrived to usurp our wealth in a hundred different immoral ways. They are crooks so do not defend them by saying life isn't fair. They do things every day that common people like us would not do to others because it isn't right. For them it is for the interest of profit.
What is fundamentally unfair is that some should gain so much by not playing fair, while others are left with so little by playing fair.
Democratic socialism works very well in many countries. The ideology is "I can have whatever I can afford, but first all my countrymen will have health care and food. Our children will have free higher education." How is that so evil? You are brain washed by TPTB to think that this system of run amuck crony capitalism is better than all others when it is obvious to anyone who looks that we can do better for the sake of our fellow man. Kids are hungry, people are dieing for lack of health care and you're mad because someone wants a rich guy to pay the same percentage in taxes as the middle class (or...gulp...even more). You think it's evil socialism to demand that those who have waxed rich to give back to the system. I'm not saying socialism is the way, but zuxtaposing it against a corrupted and rotten form of capitalism.
Many of you same people profess to be christians. I never knew a disciple or christ himself to deny any person anything they needed. "It's mine!" You say. LOL.
I'll change no ones mind. You're either a mouth piece for the rich, brain washed to serve their interests and to believe that they align with yours, or you are for the common man. Either way, you'll think you're for the common man.

reply to post by Plotus


It's a nice position to have that it's the universes fault that you died from a treatable disease because you didn't have health insurance......and I don't care. That's just how it goes buddy, now where's my golf bag.

What better way to win an argument, than to couch it in the most brain dead manner.

I'm sure the rich guy fan club is going to say; "Exactly! As if asking for a reasonable tax rate to pay for everything like we used to is tantamount to Communism."

Did I read what Ann Curry said, or the points made on this blog? No. I don't need to. This country was growing it's most and had the most opportunity for the most people -- when we did the exact opposite of what Supply-siders and Globalists told us to do.

I don't need to read the same comments I've been reading for ten years.

reply to post by xuenchen


I watched and all Ann said was (Who is rich BTW) make the playing field fair so everyone has the same opportunities to become wealthy rather than being balanced towards certain groups.

Wow, sounds like she makes sense and wants our country to do better as a whole.

What is wrong with her REAL statement? Nothing.

Quit misleading others with poorly worded subjects just to start a political/class argument out of nothing.

To be honest, I reported this thread as a Trolling thread... because that is all you are doing. Trying to start politic/class garbage out of nothing.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by sonnny1

 

She is doing something about it. She is making it an issue.

And the protests are not about the 'rich'. Are you in the 1%? If you are you should be more like her.

If you are not in the 1% you cheer against yourself. That seems dumb.

Do you think you are 'rich'? Is that it? Worried some socialist 'hypocrite' is going to steal your pot of gold?

edit on 29-4-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)

other than goading you up, she is just a philanthropist. But for who? Why does her sitting pretty in yeppy town Ashland Oregon and talking about poor people getting a raw deal make sense?

Hey Pal, you better start realizing that just because somebody says they are socialist doesn't mean they are required to share their wealth.

I have been around the world and never saw a communist country or socialist country where the military drove around a took sacks of money from the rich and gave it to the poor in equal measure. Sorry. What I saw was a widow paying her dead husbands minor pension to the government and once a month in return a military truck would pull up and leave a 20lb sack of rice. Now there is your socialism. All the while the politicians had homes in compounds, green grass and marble floors and freezers full of pork.

you kids are being sold a bill of goods you dont understand. Uncle Barry is all talk,Just like Anne Curry, he still has all his money, does he not? He has his doctor living in his house with him, do you have your own personal doctor living with you?

think about it

Do you think you are 'rich'? Is that it? Worried some socialist 'hypocrite' is going to steal your pot of gold?

Isnt this what you want, isnt this what Obama wants to say he would do, take peoples pots of Gold and spread it around.

reply to post by xuenchen


I don't really find it unfair some have more than others. what i do find as unfair is that those who have more than others ensure that they remain as the only ones who have more by manipulating the system so even when they fail they still stay with all the marbles.

If there were no too big to fail and buying out of public servants then i would not have a problem with it but it is not that way

What making it as they call even is called Communism. Everyone is to get the same and work the same hours, so on, and so on. In the end it everyone is working for the State. No we live in a Democracy/Capitolistic society. You make your own way..you make your oportunities happen. The problem lies in the people at the very top of the money pile want to keep everyone else from knocking them off. They do devious things to insure that wont happen.

reply to post by InfoKartel


I'm pretty sure that when I was born, there was no one standing there with a contract or agreement between me and the universe that life would be "fair."

It ain't.

Stop whining.

reply to post by beezzer


Wrong. Life is fair, the greedy #s are the ones that make things unfair. You find it wrong to help your brothers and sisters? It's not about everybody having the same number of body pars. In which case you would help those that didn't have opposed to taking away from those that do.

Originally posted by SonofLeod
reply to post by beezzer

 

Wrong. Life is fair, the greedy #s are the ones that make things unfair. You find it wrong to help your brothers and sisters? It's not about everybody having the same number of body pars. In which case you would help those that didn't have opposed to taking away from those that do.

I'm all for people helping each other out.

I'm just not for theft. Any way it is attempted to be justified.

reply to post by xuenchen


I think everyone's being a bit hyperbolic in their assessment. For starters, she did say that, but the guest was on to discuss this issue.

Next, it's valid to ask why it would be that a person's ability to pay should allow them through security at the airport faster. I really don't see why? What does having enough money have to do with security and whether or not you pose a risk...surely poor people do not all need to be subject to more scrutiny than the wealthy.

I would also comment about pay-lanes on our federally- and state-funded interstate system. What it says is that when there is heavy traffic, wealthy people can pay 4 or 5 dollars to get into the express lanes, as though the poor don't want to get home just as fast.

Originally posted by CaptGizmo
What making it as they call even is called Communism. Everyone is to get the same and work the same hours, so on, and so on. In the end it everyone is working for the State. No we live in a Democracy/Capitolistic society. You make your own way..you make your oportunities happen. The problem lies in the people at the very top of the money pile want to keep everyone else from knocking them off. They do devious things to insure that wont happen.

Please don't slash democracy with capitalism as though they are two options for the same thing, it's semantically disingenuous...they do not go hand in hand.

reply to post by votan


Yeah, but that's just the thing...there's no way around that. When you have such circumstances (people with ridiculous amounts of wealth and power) you have created the scenario that allows for that type of corruption and maintenance of status quo.

You won't find a scenario play out where you have limitless wealth and power, yet an even playing field that allows for the shuffling around of just who those people are who hold that wealth and power.

reply to post by jiggerj


True. Money is not property. Money is a metaphorical representation of property - it's a social contract. There's no way around that. Money would be useless without society to give it value. Only the property you can exchange money for is what actually has value, the money itself is just a representation of that value that the buyer and seller agree upon.

Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by SonofLeod
reply to post by beezzer

 

Wrong. Life is fair, the greedy #s are the ones that make things unfair. You find it wrong to help your brothers and sisters? It's not about everybody having the same number of body pars. In which case you would help those that didn't have opposed to taking away from those that do.

I'm all for people helping each other out.

I'm just not for theft. Any way it is attempted to be justified.

Why is it theft when we say, "Hey rich people, spend the money!" But it's not theft when a can of coffee goes up to seven bucks when it should be about $2.50? Isn't that theft? A $1.69 jar of mayonaise - six bucks! And, come on, four bucks for a loaf of bread???

Six years ago I had a certain amount of pay with a few raises here and there. Health insurance went up, rent with up, fuel went up, food went up. I am now making less than I was 6 years ago. This isn't theft? This isn't the rich and powerful stealing money from me by manipulating the economy, driving prices up and wages down?