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After 115 years, it's time for Zionism to retire

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:26 AM
After 115 years, it's time for Zionism to retire
By Gideon Levy -- Haaretz

This article is apparently the author's opinion.

He outlines Zionism and what it has meant and what it means or should mean and concludes that the standard Zionist principals no long apply in a modern Israel !!!!

Very long and detailed article.

The national liberation movement's time came and went. Now we have a state. Neither good citizenship nor misdeeds have anything to do with Zionism anymore.

Zionism is already 115 years old; it should have retired long ago. If on Independence Day we're concerned about the future of a state approaching retirement age (presuming it's a man, not a woman, who would have retired two years ago ), then we should call for the replacement of Zionism with something younger, more energetic and more relevant. Zionism should have become a rank-and-file pensioner shortly after the state was established or, at most, when the movement turned 62 or 67.

A state does not retire, but a national liberation movement must, like every elderly citizen - knowing when its time has passed. It must be consigned to history. These things are even more true if the movement has already fulfilled its mission, achieved its goals and now everyone is beating up on it, misusing it, decking themselves in its feathers and taking its name in vain.

In 2012, the 64th year of the state, no one even knows for certain what remains of it, what the role of Zionism is and how it is defined. That's how it is when one doesn't have the sense to retire at one's peak - and that peak was long ago.

Who is a Zionist? All the answers are wrong, even if they are more plentiful (and more ridiculous ) than the answers to the other existential question of who is a Jew.

The truth is that there is no answer. Not because Zionism was not a just cause - it was, even if it was tainted by unnecessary injustices, and not because it didn't succeed. It was the greatest national success story of the 20th century. But that century is over and its greatest success story has been established. The national home arose, and now it is a regional power. Anyone who wanted to - about one-third of the Jewish people - has joined it, and the door remains open to the rest.

Is Zionism "Individualism" ?

Is Zionism "Institutional" ?

Is Zionism "Governmental" ?

Is Zionism "Totalitarian" ?

Is Zionism "Hysterical Fanaticalism" ?

Is Zionism "Communal" ?

Read the entire story

Points ? ... Counter-Points ??

IS it time to "retire" Zionism ?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:59 AM
Good grief. I cannot believe you don't get it. You think it should stop so therefore it should?

I mean you don't know why it hasn't died?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 05:25 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

Of course it should!
They are just as bad as the Nazis.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:55 AM
Ok i just want to understand this;

what are the zionists thinking?

how long do they plan on living like this in the middle east?

becuase it cant last forever, and the muslims and zionists cannot co exist, so whats next? how much longer and for what purpose are the zionists doing this?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 08:01 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

I agree. More and more Jews are seeing that Zionism has gotten out of control. The rest of the world has been watching and waiting and it looks like it will either become more harsh and restrictive with Israel's citizens for example rather than consider modification.

Zionism is not the end all Jewish political system of beliefs. In fact Zionism is not in line with traditional Jewish beliefs in its core.

Removing the want or need of establishing and keeping a Jewish state in Jerusalem and all of Israel, the rest can just be tossed out the window. Jews don't need quasi Fascism to help them as a people, in fact it hurts them more than helps.

In the end it is up to them, but the impact on the world and global politics must be considered when concerning the rest of the world. It is too small of a planet to have such constant tension and destabilization.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 08:03 AM
reply to post by xuenchen

Zionism needs to return back to it's true ancient and spiritual roots as it once was!

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 11:29 PM
reply to post by xuenchen

Points ? ... Counter-Points ??

IS it time to "retire" Zionism ?

If that's what the people want, let them vote on it. Voting is the only way to find out. Let them dig their own graves if it's what they want. Once zionism ends, i will put my money on the "khazars" not living much longer after that. We know what Islam does to enemies it views as a threat, just have to look at Muhammad's track record to see the end result.

posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 09:32 AM
The only problem is that the Zionist do NOT plan on retiring. The Zionist exist since 115 years, but the nobility behind it exist since at least the Vienna Congress and the Napolean wars before that. The hidden agenda of the Vienna Congress was to unite Europe under them in a One World. The Russian Tsar Alexander 1 Romanov figured it out by intercepting a ''Zionist'' spy and destroyed the plan.
Nut the Zionist belive in the phoenix, and like the bird, they always survive and create new plans. As long as the core of the Zionist is not destroyed, even if we suceed to stop them now, they will come back a century later with a new plan.

posted on May, 5 2012 @ 05:05 PM

Originally posted by RizeorDie
becuase it cant last forever, and the muslims and zionists cannot co exist, so whats next? how much longer and for what purpose are the zionists doing this?


Could Jews and Muslims coexist? Of course, it's happened before, and it'll happen again.

Could Zionists and anyone else (Muslim, Christian or otherwise) coexist? That's like saying could Nazis and Poles coexist within the borders of the 'fatherland' - of course not - they don't fit into their ridiculous racial ideas.

The people who run Israel are as irrational as the people who want to solidify the EU superstate, emotions and a strict following of an unrealistic philosophy take precedent over the practical reality - and it's going to be their undoing.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 05:28 AM
Zionism must undergo a certain revision of its core ideas. Herzl, and even Zhabotinsky, opined that Jews and Arab can coexist on the same land. After 64 years of trying to establish that, it is clear that this is not going to happen. Rather, Zionism must assume a more radical form: a Jewish state must maintain a formidable Jewish majority, and is therefore entitled to transfer and/or exterminate whatever foreigners (e.g. Arabs) happen to temporarily reside on the land allotted to the Jewish state by the Jews themselves. However, that's by far a minor issue compared to the major affair Israel has to face: is the Jewish state going to become a theocracy, or not? Again, when the core notions of Zionism are under revision, it must be made clear that passive opposition to the spread of the religious cancer, as Herzl suggested, is not enough. Active measures against religion, i.e. the destruction of Synagogues (and, of course, other houses of deity-worship), the coercion of atheism upon all the individuals of the Israeli society, the prohibition of wearing religious dress and teaching religion, and any other anti-religious measure possible, must be adopted with zestfully. Next, Israel has to be Westernized: all non-Western elements (which are: Eastern "tradition", Eastern culture, and Eastern mentality) must be dismantled to the bone and dissolved into Western practices. As for the management of the economy: certain basic Socialist convictions must remain, but otherwise, Capitalism is a blessing to Israel.

Israel has to be Arab-free, atheist, Western, and moderately Capitalist, in order to survive. Old Zionism has outlived itself. It ought to be replaced with a fundamentalist, "fanatical" if you like, form of Zionist thought.

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 05:05 PM
You're insane

posted on May, 6 2012 @ 05:50 PM

Better yet, swift EXTINCTION...

posted on May, 8 2012 @ 03:32 PM
Any chance a live and let live/be outcome can appease all parties?
edit on 8-5-2012 by MysteriousHusky because: question mark

posted on May, 9 2012 @ 11:35 AM

Originally posted by HangTheTraitors

Better yet, swift EXTINCTION...

Something tells me with posts like this - live and let live may be a little way off

posted on May, 17 2012 @ 10:05 AM
Well I'd say that since it appears that by my estimate that 90% of this board doesn't know exactly what a "zionist" is, we should get that part straightened out first. I see "zionist" thrown out here so often I really do wonder.

posted on May, 23 2012 @ 06:19 AM
I am not so sure if retiring Zionism could consequently retire the real evil behind it as well... they are the masters of the world,and they have more than a couple of tricks in their sleeves...If destroying Zionism (something that no one really knows what it means) makes people happy,then with no problem they will do that....after all isn't that what democracy is all about,people?!

posted on May, 29 2012 @ 03:19 PM
reply to post by xuenchen

Zionism is nothing more than very wealthy and powerful people who are already helping the NWO to establish.

There are some principles in this order :

1.There is no way to be Jew unless you are born a Jew.

2.They would do anything immoral to get their one world govt.goal justified the means.

3.They will rule other people , whether they like or not.

4.They have made people seeking their own interests by advertising Omanism.

5.They are doing anything to show that it is human beings who discover the nature. There is nothing such as creation of world. So , humans are god. Humanism.Omanism.

6.They have infiltrated religions and have made different sects for their divide and conquer plans.

7.They were once , favorite tribe of god But religion is different than racism. God created us all equal.

Zionism is not very complicated particle hidden in underground caves.

just my opinion though.

Want to know Zionism ? find one and ask about Nile till Euphrates plan and other plans.

Just ask yourself, Which religion lets you to kill millions of civilians in a second ?

The one which just believes in race than religion.
edit on 29-5-2012 by mideast because: (no reason given)

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