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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:38 AM

Originally posted by someguy0083
reply to post by usmc0311

Fact: science has never proven justice. Justice is nothing more than an imaginary way of describing the world. why don't you people believe in reality and not fake things like justice?

in other words, justice is not real. it's an imaginary thing. why do you people believe in fake things?
edit on 28-4-2012 by someguy0083 because: just read it

So when DNA evidence proves the guilt of a murderer and he is found guily and punished accoardingly, science had nothing to do with that?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 05:41 AM
Unfortunately, watchitburn, a revolution needs to occur somewhere else, before it can occur inside the country.

I see a lot of very angry, unhappy, broken people in this forum. I get like you sometimes; angry and passionate, and I feel as though making war on the psychopaths in government is the only answer. I'm Kshatriya too, like you, in my heart; but a number of birth defects meant that I was never able to pass a physical.

So my job in this life, as much as I would have liked it at one point, wasn't ultimately to be a soldier. When I went to Nimbin last year, I did so in order to heal myself internally; and that experience allowed me to realise that that is what a lot of other people need to do as well.

Aside from the obvious fact that a lot of people die in it, the real problem with war as a solution, is that it's temporary at best. Jefferson himself wrote that a revolution was going to need to keep happening on a periodic basis, in order to maintain the level of freedom which they started with at the beginning of the Republic. That assumed, however, that people didn't fundamentally change.

That, however, is what we really need. We need to help people realise their own sovereignty, and their own ability to make a difference; and we need to help them heal emotionally to a sufficient degree that they actually want to do that as well.

There are two sides to this. In terms of the more stereotypically serious side, I would invite you to watch Ben Stewart's film, UNGRIP, which is linked to in my signature. That is a film about getting free from the current system in legal terms, and describes it primarily as an individual, rather than a collective process.

In terms of the other side, I've recently been learning about the General of a very different type of army from the usual; a man named Patch Adams; who actually speaks in terms of revolution. You might have seen a film about him some years ago, which starred Robin Williams. Unfortunately, aside from the name and the clowning, that film didn't really contain any of Patch in it at all; but it is still marginally useful as an introduction to him. Patch is an extreme individual, and although positive, most of his views are sadly not welcome among mainstream society.

An interview with him. There's a fairly strong overtone of what could be interpreted as female chauvanism here; but I would urge people to persevere through that, because his message is still very much worthwhile.

The Gesundheit Institute - Patch's website.

While I don't go as far as Patch in that sense, I do believe that appropriate integration and balancing of gender energies, is an extremely important part of the healing process. I am a heterosexual male, but in very real terms, my avatar is as much a face of mine, as my physical body is.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:31 AM
this post annoys me ,ill tell you why its not just america dude it is the uk to,wish americans could see the rest of the world as well as there own little bit of land,,wake up americans its a world wide problem,but i expect you only care about yourselfs

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:01 AM

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by watchitburn

The stupid 18th Amendment was repealed almost 14 years after its passage, in a large part, due to non-acquiescence. If Americans were willing to collectively flip government the bird over whiskey, you would think those same Americans would be willing to do so over far more alarming intrusions, and yet...

There was not 3 or 4 propaganda machines in every household back then either (running 8 -10 hours per day). Propaganda machines were not raising the children then either.

It is not the Government we need to is apathy and ignorance.

For every one person that sees the dire straits that we are in...there are a dozen programmed citizens at the ready to mock and destroy them.


posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:07 AM
I am glad you are willing and able. I think it's time we put that on the table as far back as possible and remind our leaders that it is not unthinkable to us. That said. We need to exhaust every other recourse before we enter into violence. Martial law would destroy the opportunity we might have to replace bad leadership with good leadership. I agree that drastic measures need to be taken. Congress must suspend ALL executive orders and privileges and hold emergency sessions with ALL congressmen present. We must evaluate the possibility of removing many politicians in a single sweep.

The federal reserve must be made public and open. Regulation to follow.

Wars and police actions must be made illegal if not passed through congress.

The constitution to be re-installed as the foremost law of the land.

Privacy and all civil liberties to be restored.

Criminal charges to be filed and followed with deportation or jail time followed by deportation of people engaged in treasonous activities within government.

Re-evaluate the budget and reduce military and security expenditures.

Alliances to be reconsidered and changed if necessary.

These are just some of the things we might ask. Basically we want Ron Paul.

If all else fails, then fine. But we must try.

I am against not keeping that on the table. That is the only assurance our leaders have to listen to us. Everything else is just a formality they do or don't have to follow. The threat of injury is the common mans defense against the strength of intellectual malice. It is naive and a lie to say that revolt has not changed countries for the better as well as for the worse. It all depends on how the revolt is handled and how power is redistributed after.

I don't think we have reached the point of open revolution yet. If martial law is declared for less than open and freely scrutinized reasons, then yes. If civil liberties are so infringed upon that mass arrests happen, then yes.

If 9/11 is proven to be an inside job, then yes.

If the federal reserve is proven to have orchestrated the financial meltdown of the planet, then yes and an international court should be established to prosecute those responsible.

If nothing is done, then yes. This cannot be ignored any longer. It is starting to fester.

I am glad that there are Americans around still honest enough to stand up if necessary and defend this nation from wolves in sheep's clothing. Thank you sir for your service and your bravery here. I am with you, as are many more.

edit on 28-4-2012 by BIHOTZ because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 09:16 AM

Originally posted by stuthealien
this post annoys me ,ill tell you why its not just america dude it is the uk to,wish americans could see the rest of the world as well as there own little bit of land,,wake up americans its a world wide problem,but i expect you only care about yourselfs

The OP, and some of us are americans so we are disscussing what matters to us. I'm sure this applies to other countries as well and would love to see other countries gain their freedom back. I Also would love to hear what people in other countries think abhout this. What are your thoughts on this issue? Does your country need a revolution as well? I care about other countries but I will never be able to help them until the problems here are fixed. And drawing generalizations about us is pointless. If we only cared about ourselves we would be talking about escapeing alone to get away, not talking about the problems of our country and how to fix them because we care about the treatment of our fellow americans.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:25 AM
Thank you all for contributing.

I think I am just pissing into the wind here though, at least until enough people get angry.

For the gentleman from the UK:
I have no vested interest in the UK, Also I am not there. So I can't do anything about it. It is up to you and the other like minded people to affect change in your country. Good luck.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 11:11 AM
I hear where you are coming from OP.
I wrote a similar thread about my unhappiness with the system sometime yesterday or something. Im tired of it too.

I am not a military service member. I am not poor. I have everything i need to survive.
Im unhappy that so many people just ignore whats going on,
They've turned the people into their greatest army. Anyone who speaks out against the status quo is shut down by people who are manipulated by the mainstream news.

If you don't fit in with the 'norm', then you are ridiculed. This is what happens in schools. People who are different are ridiculed. And throughout your life as well.

I am one of the few who cannot wait for the 'end of the world', whatever that phrase means to you (for me, it means the collapse of the financial oligarchy currently in control, and the governments and corporations that are in support of those, aka, owned by those same banks.). But if the world blows up, im okay with that too.
edit on 28/4/12 by AzureSky because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 11:59 AM
reply to post by watchitburn

And that is my main complaint

Rant section.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:11 PM

Originally posted by someguy0083
justice is a fake thing created by the mind like religion. How about you people grow up and believe in science

Justice is a word given to a concept.

That concept is the restoration of balance. When a wrong is committed, karma is forcibly revisited upon the committer of that wrong, thereby restoring the balance of energy. It is basically a sub-construct of that which already exist...karmic flow.

And if scientists actually studied these things, instead of skipping half of our earthly science and shooting straight for the moon (pun intended) as well as figuring out how to blow stuff up so they can get paid more for their research, we'd actually know this.

So yes, it is related to science. And yes, justice is very similar to religion.

You just don't have the experience or research to properly appreciate either of them.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:15 PM
reply to post by BIHOTZ

The moment 9/11 is proven to have been an inside job, and at least partially the product of American conspiracy...that will be the moment our nation ends as we know it. Our nation will be turned upside down, shaken, then set right side up with chains and padlocks on it.

It's a very big possibility that the moment the truth comes out, we will turn into a police state because, as the new government would see it, we have to guard for threats from within as well as without. And when that kind of fear takes over...anything could be viewed as a possible threat. Paranoia will be shared by the government and the civilians. Change will be a thing of the past, and security will become an absolute necessity. Progress will be sacrificed for surety, and personal expression itself will be forcibly bound to conformacy for the sake of public and national peace.

All of our freedom will be lost.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:16 PM
reply to post by Starchild23

I ain't believe in a new-age Karmic Bank, but I do believe in the Asimov's Zeroth Laws. He intended those for Robotics but with only small modifications you get a set of 4 laws that govern basic morality. As justice springs from morality, this is good to know.

And currently, governments are violating alot of those laws...

edit on 28-4-2012 by swan001 because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:23 PM
reply to post by swan001

"Karmic Bank" is like calling a car a "box with wheels". It doesn't even begin to do justic to the idea.

See, imagine the ocean. Imagine all of the waves and currents, all of the creature that benefit from the flow and ebb. The ocean kills just as easily as it supports (just as with all things) but if you are familiar with its nature and the laws that it follows, then you can benefit from it just as much as the crab that crawls the bottom of that water.

Karma is like that. It ebbs and flows, and brings peace and happiness to those who know how to put out kindness and joy. Those who know how the system works can reap loads of benefit for themselves. But just as when you pour a bunch of water into a balloon, eventually it will spring a leak, and all of it empties out. But when it is empty and you drop that leaking balloon into a bucket of water, it will take more in. This is how the balance works.

As for your other point...yes, money pays the bills, not morality. And since most people know this, you can't buy a car or an exotic dancer (for the less scrupulous of our leaders) with a smile and a kind word.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:30 PM
I get the impression you want to move on this.Well ,not now.There isn't a unified effort yet so if you do something it will make you an east target for criminalization.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:59 PM
reply to post by cavtrooper7

Better a martyr than a puppet.

History looks more favorably upon those who say, "I'd rather a caged bird than a free sheep."

People who say, "I don't want to go to prison, so I'll just sit here and be quiet," are already in they will never get out of. The prison of societal conditioning and government stimulus.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:02 PM
reply to post by BIHOTZ

Ron Paul again...

You know, it's the same old song and dance every time there's an election. You think he'll keep his word, but there's people who paid for his campaign, and they WILL want their favors repaid. And what better way to repay favors, than to agree with the things they want?

THat's how this country works. Feed the sheeple their hollow promises, then turn your back when they've done their part and can do nothing about you.

I prefer to count my chickens after they hatch. If it looks like a lion, eats with lions, gets paid by lions, and calls itself a lion...but talks like a goat? It's probably a lion. Which means it'll get rid of that smile and those nice words just as soon as he's said his oath.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:19 PM
I'm pretty much at the same place you are. I think we're out of options and the only solution is the use of force. The fact that the unpopular asshat Romney is getting the GOP nomination makes it crystal clear that the two-party system is and has been an illusion. Time to refresh the tree of liberty, folks.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:35 PM
reply to post by Starchild23

Our memories, thoughts and actions are made of electric currents caused by ionic reversal in our nerves and neurons.
This ''karma'' thing is not convincing to my eyes. I believe that only someone that believes in karma makes karma real and functionnal.
Ego, karma, conscience... all abstract ideas with no physical existence.

But I think we are getting slightly off-topic here. What do you think about a new revolution against the government?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:18 PM
reply to post by swan001

I agree.

I cannot buy into the idea of Karma. If karma were a functioning force in this world, there would be Balance/Justice. From my point of view there is a significant lack of karma on this planet.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:01 PM
reply to post by swan001

the military is on our side!, dont you listen to drake? check ot wolfspirit radio!

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