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Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
But the problem is extremists from both sides DO try to impose their views onto others. Teaching gay history in schools, demanding kindergartners read books about gay families etc. I don't even need to regurgitate all the things that SOME Christians do. It goes both ways. Why do we ALWAYS let the extremists set the agenda and determine the dialog? Why can't we leave some things to our home life and just live and let live?
It seems these days that someone ALWAYS wants to be the winner and shut up the person with the differing view point. This is a road to hell for all of us. Our society will crumble if we allow this kind of intolerance from either camp.
There is not just one way or the other way. Why do you let the lunatic right/left paradigm determine the direction of our national conversation? We have a choice to live and let live here people. Anyone who pushes us beyond civility is the one we ought to all be questioning.
But don't you see, if everyone treated homosexuals with respect, dignity and full equality, there would be no need to have certain "gay tolerance" curricula in schools. The intolerance of gays came first - then the gays (or those fighting for gay rights) came after to fight the intolerance.
Originally posted by longjohnbritches
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
This is all very easy to decode.
The whole hollywood gang - loves - to attack the Christians.
Christians are - against - gay marriage and abortion.
Christians are also - in favor of - slavery and the stoning of women.
I KNOW this to be true, because it says so in the Bible. Can you deny that?
Make sure you get your facts straight here.
Let's have a source here.
Do you have a news link to Christians stoning anyone?
Have you been stoned OFTEN??
Rick Tuttle, the journalism advisor for Sutter Union High School in California, was among several thousand people in the audience. He said they thought the speech was one thing – but it turned into something else. “I thought this would be about anti-bullying,” Tuttle told Fox news. “It turned into a pointed attack on Christian beliefs.”
Tuttle said that he “felt duped” by the event. “There were Christian schools who went to the conference. To have this happen was disappointing and shocking.” The NSPA said they should have done a better job preparing schools for what to expect. For his part, Tuttle said that he will definitely be more cautious about the speakers at future conventions.Tuttle related how Savage told students that for a number of years he was not allowed in schools. He told the students that because it’s gained national acceptance “he’s reveling in the fact that it’s basically a middle finger to all those teachers and administrators who wouldn’t let him have access to those students before.”
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by Climax
reply to post by Eurisko2012
Is christianity completly above reproach? No, christianity is a disgrace and theres no other way to spin it.
The true moral here is be careful of what you say because your own words can be used against you.
This 47 year old bully ambushed / attacked a room full of teenagers.
As they fled the scene of the ambush he hurled defamatory names at them.
I would like to see Dan Savage give that same speech to a room full of 47 year old
men and women.
Does he have the courage to do that?
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
But the problem is extremists from both sides DO try to impose their views onto others. Teaching gay history in schools, demanding kindergartners read books about gay families etc. I don't even need to regurgitate all the things that SOME Christians do. It goes both ways. Why do we ALWAYS let the extremists set the agenda and determine the dialog? Why can't we leave some things to our home life and just live and let live?
It seems these days that someone ALWAYS wants to be the winner and shut up the person with the differing view point. This is a road to hell for all of us. Our society will crumble if we allow this kind of intolerance from either camp.
There is not just one way or the other way. Why do you let the lunatic right/left paradigm determine the direction of our national conversation? We have a choice to live and let live here people. Anyone who pushes us beyond civility is the one we ought to all be questioning.
But don't you see, if everyone treated homosexuals with respect, dignity and full equality, there would be no need to have certain "gay tolerance" curricula in schools. The intolerance of gays came first - then the gays (or those fighting for gay rights) came after to fight the intolerance.
So you counter intolerance with more intolerance? That is a road to hell. Hyperbole just makes the dialog that much more contentious. Live and let live. Don't shove your views down anyone else's throats goes both ways. It is called the moderate position and it has been absolutely shoved aside for this ridiculous and dangerous left/right spew. I am so sick of the lunatic fringe giving the majority of us their either or stances on these kinds of issues. We need to go back to being a polite society who respects each others rights to live as we please.
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
But the problem is extremists from both sides DO try to impose their views onto others. Teaching gay history in schools, demanding kindergartners read books about gay families etc. I don't even need to regurgitate all the things that SOME Christians do. It goes both ways. Why do we ALWAYS let the extremists set the agenda and determine the dialog? Why can't we leave some things to our home life and just live and let live?
It seems these days that someone ALWAYS wants to be the winner and shut up the person with the differing view point. This is a road to hell for all of us. Our society will crumble if we allow this kind of intolerance from either camp.
There is not just one way or the other way. Why do you let the lunatic right/left paradigm determine the direction of our national conversation? We have a choice to live and let live here people. Anyone who pushes us beyond civility is the one we ought to all be questioning.
But don't you see, if everyone treated homosexuals with respect, dignity and full equality, there would be no need to have certain "gay tolerance" curricula in schools. The intolerance of gays came first - then the gays (or those fighting for gay rights) came after to fight the intolerance.
So you counter intolerance with more intolerance? That is a road to hell. Hyperbole just makes the dialog that much more contentious. Live and let live. Don't shove your views down anyone else's throats goes both ways. It is called the moderate position and it has been absolutely shoved aside for this ridiculous and dangerous left/right spew. I am so sick of the lunatic fringe giving the majority of us their either or stances on these kinds of issues. We need to go back to being a polite society who respects each others rights to live as we please.
You mean we need to go back to gays hiding in the closets, too afraid to be who they are. Sorry - that's not going to happen.
Originally posted by lateralus123
reply to post by RandomEsotericScreenname
"Only shows their intolerance" What kind of logic is that? No, that's called religious integrity. So, using your logic homosexuals should just put up with Christians bullying them because they should be tolerant...
Originally posted by Clearskies
Originally posted by kaylaluv
Christians are also - in favor of - slavery and the stoning of women.
I KNOW this to be true, because it says so in the Bible. Can you deny that?
That is the Old Testament. We also don't sequester ourselves away during menstruation
or marry our dead husband's brother, anymore. Romans believed in slavery and pedophilia, should we bully Italians?
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
We could all live together and get along just fine in a free and civil society where everyone's right to live as they please is respected and honored. This should be the most fundamental tenant of our society.
Marriage should not be the purview of the states. The states should grant everyone the same legal contract and leave marriage to the churches to do as they will. None of this should ever be addressed by public schools. Moral education should be left to individual families.
This is the moderate position so no wonder it is never brought up as an option.
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
We could all live together and get along just fine in a free and civil society where everyone's right to live as they please is respected and honored. This should be the most fundamental tenant of our society.
Marriage should not be the purview of the states. The states should grant everyone the same legal contract and leave marriage to the churches to do as they will. None of this should ever be addressed by public schools. Moral education should be left to individual families.
This is the moderate position so no wonder it is never brought up as an option.
Originally posted by MsAphrodite
How about if no one bullied any one? How about if everyone just lived and let other people live according to their conscious? How about if it was ok to disagree, but not have to win by shoving your opinion down someone else's throat?