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Well you see how well respecting is going with the troll in the thread right?
Ah well. Have you found out anything yet about the walk outs? I have tried looking but I am coming up with nothing so far myself.
Originally posted by yuppa
reply to post by Stormdancer777
Well you see how well respecting is going with the troll in the thread right? LOL. Ah well. Have you found out anything yet about the walk outs? I have tried looking but I am coming up with nothing so far myself.
Originally posted by yuppa
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by yuppa
And don't say christians are not forcing their views, they are actively trying to stop people getting married, Very simple again, no matter what excuses you come up with.edit on 29-4-2012 by RandomEsotericScreenname because: (no reason given)
There is the Rub. Christians are not always Christians.
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by Stormdancer777
I am real in here.
Peacemaker? I am not at war, I'm in a discussion, just like you guys.
I only wish it were so. There are increasing studies that show the correlation between the rise of the Christian Right and the decline of many metrics of our civil society
Originally posted by Climax
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by Stormdancer777
I am real in here.
Peacemaker? I am not at war, I'm in a discussion, just like you guys.
Thats not how they see it. You hear it all the time now, "The War on Christianity"
Another poster summed it up nicely early on in the thread, but Christians are whipping themselves into a frenzy, believing that there is a "War" on against them.
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by Climax
Climax, as children growing up we are taught in the ways of Christianity, and there are multiply sects, some continue to seek for answers and truths, many churches today are social clubs.
I don't think it took very long for the teachings of Christ to be twisted.
But what do I know?
Originally posted by Wonders
Originally posted by Climax
Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
reply to post by Stormdancer777
I am real in here.
Peacemaker? I am not at war, I'm in a discussion, just like you guys.
Thats not how they see it. You hear it all the time now, "The War on Christianity"
Another poster summed it up nicely early on in the thread, but Christians are whipping themselves into a frenzy, believing that there is a "War" on against them.
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war
1.armed fighting between groups: a period of hostile relations between countries, states, or factions that leads to fighting between armed forces, especially in land, air, or sea battles
2.period of armed fighting: a period of armed conflict between countries or groups
3.methods of warfare: the techniques or the study of the techniques of armed conflict
Synonyms: conflict, combat, warfare, fighting, confrontation, hostilities, battle
There is war in the world, justified or not. You seem to know a bit of the trade, intimidation is a tool, you use it well enough it just might work for your cause.
As Mikhail Gorbachev aptly stated, the Soviet communist state carried out a comprehensive “war on religion.” 1 He lamented that the Bolsheviks, his predecessors, even after the civil war ended in the early 1920s, during a time of “peace,” had “continued to tear down churches, arrest clergymen, and destroy them. This was no longer understandable or justifiable. Atheism took rather savage forms in our country at that time.” 2
The Soviet Union, reflective of the communist world as a whole, was openly hostile to religion and officially atheist; it was not irreligious or unreligious, with no stance on religion, but took the position that there was no God.
The roots of this hatred and intolerance of religion lie in the essence of communist ideology. Marx dubbed religion the “opiate of the masses,” and opined that, “Communism begins where atheism begins.” 3 Speaking on behalf of the Bolsheviks in his famous October 2, 1920 speech, Lenin stated matter-of-factly: “We do not believe in God.” Lenin insisted that “all worship of a divinity is a necrophilia.” 4 He wrote in a November 1913 letter that “any religious idea, any idea of any God at all, any flirtation even with a God is the most inexpressible foulness … the most dangerous foulness, the most shameful ‘infection.’” James Thrower of the University of Virginia (a Russia scholar and also a translator) says that in this letter the type of “infection” Lenin was referring to was venereal disease. 5
“There can be nothing more abominable than religion,” wrote Lenin in a letter to Maxim Gorky in January 1913. 6 On December 25, 1919, Christmas Day, Comrade Lenin issued the following order, in his own writing: “To put up with ‘Nikola’ [the religious holiday] would be stupid—the entire Cheka must be on the alert to see to it that those who do not show up for work because of ‘Nikola’ are shot.” 7 Under Lenin, this was not an isolated occurrence.
Along with Trotsky, Lenin became involved in the creation of groups with names like the Society of the Godless, also known as the League of the Militant Godless, which was responsible for the dissemination of anti-religious propaganda in the USSR. 8
They walked away at the word "bible"
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by RandomEsotericScreenname
They walked away at the word "bible"
Thank goodness we still have a right to walk out of a bible-bashing lecture if we so choose. Under communist rule that might change. Don't take your liberties for granted.
Originally posted by Climax
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by RandomEsotericScreenname
They walked away at the word "bible"
Thank goodness we still have a right to walk out of a bible-bashing lecture if we so choose. Under communist rule that might change. Don't take your liberties for granted.
Yep its your right to be willfully ignorant, but dont expect people to think highly of you for it.
Originally posted by Climax
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
You mean today people with agendas try and play the word game to trick others there are direct threats against them so that they react by begging for a solution, which has been prepared.
The False Christians are tricking you into looking at outside forces as hostile so that you are too preoccupied to notice the infiltration that is going on behind your backs.
Before and after the October Revolution of November 7, 1917 (October 25 Old Calendar) there was a movement within the Soviet Union to unite all of the people of the world under Communist rule (see Communist International). This included the Eastern European bloc countries as well as the Balkan States. Communism as interpreted by Lenin and his successors in the Soviet government required the abolition of religion and to this effect the Soviet government launched a long-running campaign to eliminate religion from society.[1] Since some of these Slavic states tied their ethnic heritage to their ethnic churches, both the peoples and their church where targeted by the Soviet.[2][3]
Very soon after the October Revolution, the campaign to end religion, and more specifically, Christianity and Judaism began. In 1920 the White Sea camp was opened on the grounds of a once Russian Orthodox Monastery. At this camp which took mainly Orthodox and Catholic priests, the prototype for other Soviet camps was revealed. The camp began to exterminate those who would not bend to state.[4]
Don't take your liberties for granted.
Ever hear of "outgroup homogeneity"?