Will Ron Paul formally clinches the nomination on May 8?

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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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You obviously too are in denial.

After the first set of votes, should Romney not get the required delegates to win the nominations, you do understand that there are no more bound delegates, correct. Meaning that the "delegate game" as you put it, is already won so long as Romney is unable to secure the first vote because Paul is the only one who has been playing it. Even the bound delegates are known Paul supporters who, after the first vote should fail to choose a nominee, will then vote for Ron Paul.


Romney only needs 40% of the remaining delegates to get 1144...I really don't see the convention going to a second vote.

No denial here...just cold hard facts.


Honestly though, to say that it isn't possible, you are truly in denial OK. It has happened before with Harding, and it has come very close to happening with other nominees in the past, nominees who didn't have such a defined strategy of delegate hunting at the Paul campaign.


It is "possible" for Ron Paul to do this...but close to impossible for Ron Paul to win 60% of the remaining primaries...anything less than that and he loses.




posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 11:59 PM
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Originally posted by Nucleardoom
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The brilliant point to be made is:

The only thing you've proved is that you blindly support the man who had the final call on approving the bailouts, increased troop deployment, involved us in additional international "conflicts", signed the NDAA into law, was the brainchild of an atrocious and socialistic "healthcare plan", as well as a trampling of the constitution that rivals or possibly surpasses that of Bush, along with a bunch of other things.

I'm really curious how you can support that?
Your probably paid for your support, because I can't see what you find so enamoring about the guy. Also, since you would know Barry better than I, why is it that he is surrounded by the same old retreaded cronies from former administrations and former Goldman Sachs employee's when he clearly stated while campaigning that his cabinet member's would not be composed of the same old story??? This was before we even started hearing about the czars.
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You can't even admit that you are wrong about Obama's small donors...so sad.

So instead of being honest...you just go on to bash Obama in a Ron Paul thread...and you have to call me a paid supporter



Look...you were wrong...deal with it.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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You can't even admit that you are wrong about Obama's small donors...so sad. So instead of being honest...you just go on to bash Obama in a Ron Paul thread...and you have to call me a paid supporter
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I'll admit to being wrong about the small donors when you admit to being wrong about voting for and continuing to support a dog eating, Constitution trampling, Indonesian.

Bashing on Obama in a Ron Paul thread? I don't even need to try, he does a pretty good job of it all by himself. You'd almost have to be paid to support him at this point, but then again some are so blinded by the light emanating from the messiah that they can't see any fault in him. I might also point out that the ultimate goal of Dr. Paul is to unseat the messiah, so bashing him in a Paul thread isn't too far off the beaten path.

I like how you stay focused on the less important issues, such as campaign contributions, meanwhile ignoring the white elephant charging in the room. Care to comment on ANY of those issues I listed in my last post to you? Yea, that's what I thought. How convenient.

I think the person who needs to admit they were and are wrong is you as long as you continue to support Mr. Soetoro.
Now that's funny.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:46 AM
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Indonesian


That is really all I need to know about you.

Well that, and you can't admit when you are wrong.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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That is really all I need to know about you. Well that, and you can't admit when you are wrong.



All you need to know is being hidden from you, that's your problem. Kenyan, Indonesian, American, tell me oh wise one which is it because I'm still far from sure where this guy is from and who he really is. Once again I will reiterate that if anyone needs to admit they were wrong it's you and anyone who supports this clown. Keep dodging the hard issues surrounding this guy, you're becoming an expert.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:29 AM
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Originally posted by Nucleardoom
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That is really all I need to know about you. Well that, and you can't admit when you are wrong.



All you need to know is being hidden from you, that's your problem. Kenyan, Indonesian, American, tell me oh wise one which is it because I'm still far from sure where this guy is from and who he really is. Once again I will reiterate that if anyone needs to admit they were wrong it's you and anyone who supports this clown. Keep dodging the hard issues surrounding this guy, you're becoming an expert.


There is no right or wrong in politics....There is only opinion and preference

I think this is where most Ron Paul supporters create their biggest delusion. They have honestly convinced themselves that there is only one "right" world view...and that is theirs...everyone else is wrong.

If you can't see that flaw in your thinking, then it is no wonder you can't see other facts right before your eyes.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:35 AM
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Romney has 692 Bound delegates, so far, according to the site listed below.

How Ron Paul Can Still Win

He will probably get the two remaining winner take all states, New Jersey and Utah for another 90 bound delegates.

So, that puts him at 782; but, they must be non-contested delegates. Florida, Arizona, and Idaho were winner take all states, but, the bound delegates may be contested as they broke the rules by holding their primaries before April 1st. So, if these state go proportional, Romney could lose around 60 of those counted as bound before. So, potentially that number is 702.

The remaining proportional states and delegates are:

N Carolina-55
oregon-28
arkansas-36
kentucky-45
texas-155
california-172
s dakota-28

The remaining unbound delegates states are,

louisianna-46
indiana-46
w virginia-31
nebraska-35
montana-36

Paul is picking up in the unbound delegate states, as, he has the grass-roots support to get people into the delegate positions. Romney is doing better in the beauty contests. Should Romney get 65% of the delegates from proportional states and 46% from the unbound delegate states, the he would have 1144 bound delegates, enough for the nomination on the the first round.

On the other hand, if it goes to a brokered convention, no one knows how many Paul supporters are bound to Romney and anything can happen. In 1920, Harding won the Republican nomination with a mere 38 delegates, while being in 4th place after 10 rounds of voting. He went on to win the presidency by a landslide.

Additionally, rule 38 of the RNC supercedes state party rules; and, implies that a bound delegate may vote their conscience on the first round. I doubt that Paul wants to win that way; and, in 2008, when the idea arose, he asked for this not to happen from his supporters.

Paul could still be a deciding factor--especially if Gingrich and Santorum followers, were actually Anti-Romney. Paul will likely get the younger ones.

This data came from a variety of sources that I have been tabulating in an excel spreadsheet. It is hard to get all the facts straight, as each state is different, so I welcome corrections.

Long shot; but, Paul still has a chance.

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 02:01 AM
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There is no right or wrong in politics....There is only opinion and preference I think this is where most Ron Paul supporters create their biggest delusion. They have honestly convinced themselves that there is only one "right" world view...and that is theirs...everyone else is wrong.


It's a delusion to support liberty, freedom, sound money policies, following the Constitution, and the truth? Seriously??? This is why we are at the point of no return, clueless Obamatrons and the generations of passive citizens that preceded them. If supporting Obama is "right" then I'd rather be considered wrong.

The real facts are this guy has as many skeletons in his closet as Clinton, and Bush. I would think you'd at least open that closet door and take a peek at what's inside, but I think I understand why you won't. Is it because your afraid of what you may find?

Words seem to suddenly escape you when called out on Obama's policies, yet you have volumes of information to share with us when in comes to ANYTHING concerning Ron Paul.

THAT is all we need to know about you.


Case closed.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:28 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:44 AM
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Originally posted by Nucleardoom

I told you in a previous thread that Santorum would be out soon enough, and look what happened, and guess where most of his 200+ delegates are going to end up?

Not with Rmoney that's for sure.



Are you saying that those delegates will go to Paul? I find it hard to believe that the Santorum delegates ( who obviously voted based on Santorums beliefs) would vote for someone who would want to legalize drugs and prostitution. Plain and simple.

No, Ron Paul will not "Formally clinch" the nomination. RP would have had a better chance running as a dem against Obama.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:42 AM
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Suggest you all look at this then go and have a look at the rest of what is going on things are changing and the frauds are being found out Paul is taking this all on and lets not forget you did have a pres who had the lowest delegate count of all and won the nomination after 10 rounds and then became pres so you can summise all you like but untill you actually take in ACTUAL figures you are mearly guessing.



Just another way to look at it, watch how it all goes down is all you guys can do all I know Obama needs to go he is screwing your country and the world with his stupitity of just being the elites lap dog.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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It's a delusion to support liberty, freedom, sound money policies, following the Constitution, and the truth? Seriously??? This is why we are at the point of no return, clueless Obamatrons and the generations of passive citizens that preceded them. If supporting Obama is "right" then I'd rather be considered wrong.


You may have a reading comprehension problem.

I clearly stated there is no "right" or "wrong" in politics...only opinion and preference.

The delusion comes in when Ron Paul or any other supporters claim their position is the "RIGHT" position and all others are wrong, clueless, freedom haters, etc.

But you obviously don't get that.


Words seem to suddenly escape you when called out on Obama's policies, yet you have volumes of information to share with us when in comes to ANYTHING concerning Ron Paul.


Make a thread and I'll gladly present you with FACTS about Obama's policies insted of the chain mail information that you base your opinion on. But this is a Ron Paul thread...and trying to derail this into an Obama bash thread is off topic...and you are doing it only because you have been proven wrong about the donor situation...and still aren't man enough to admit it.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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Even as an ardent Paul fan the claim is ludicrous. At convention, after the first round of voting is the only way he could ever get it.

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Additionally, rule 38 of the RNC supercedes state party rules; and, implies that a bound delegate may vote their conscience on the first round. I doubt that Paul wants to win that way; and, in 2008, when the idea arose, he asked for this not to happen from his supporters.


What if there conscience says to abstain on the first round ?
I wonder how many bound delegates will abstain, denying Romney in the first round, imagine he gets like 1133 on the first round because some stealth Ron Paul delegates abstain from bound states.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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It is "possible" for Ron Paul to do this...but close to impossible for Ron Paul to win 60% of the remaining primaries...anything less than that and he loses.




It is like you intentionally try to kill people's spirits just for the hell of it. God you seem more like a shill each and every day.

It is damn near impossible for Ron Paul to WIN 60% of anything because he doesn't have to WIN nearly that much at all to prevent Romney from getting that number. Only three of the coming states are winner-take-all states, all of which wouldn't give Romney enough, and one of which Paul has tremendous support in. The rest are proportional and yet you make it sound like Ron Paul HAS to win in order to prevent Romney from making the nomination.

You are wrong. You are just simply wrong.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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They would be doing the world a great service.

Second line.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:19 AM
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This is funny. it becomes overwhelmingly obvious that there are people that genuinely fear the possibilities still alive. They are sooo afraid they will say and do anything to detract and downplay the hope of millions of people. They know if RP wins, that suddenly the future slips into a flux...that nothing is guaranteed...and that frightens them....

I happen to like that scenario. I don't think RP has all the answers...but I think he has a solid foundation on some critical issues.

Those that would create bashing threads have only reinforced the idea they are afraid...apparently very-very afraid. The old man is smart and wise...no one says that this change is going to be painless...in fact...it almost "must be" painful...we have been too comfortable too long and now we must pay the fiddler if we want to keep dancing....

I appreciate the fear in them....they don't want their world to change...even though the logical outcome of not changing is collapse....they have the faith of a religious maniac....but that is ok....logic...as always...will eventually win. Perhaps the time is not now....perhaps it won't be for a couple of years or more...but the seed has been planted and the fruits are growing...change will come...or...doom is inevitable. You choose.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:51 AM
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It's so funny cause you can easily see who is a shill, and who isn't a shill. I mean seriously, does anyone really support Romney or Obama?



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:54 PM
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what about the so-called Romney-Paul alliance that has been rumoured about?



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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The vote is all that matters. Why do you think they need to do something more besides vote?


Being a delegate is a far greater commitment than just casting your vote, you don't have a clue.



I'm fully aware of how the delegate system works.


Um, no you don't, not when you think the vote is all that matters.
So, should I rub this in your face like 10 more times since your wrong?




Make a thread and I'll gladly present you with FACTS about Obama's policies insted of the chain mail information that you base your opinion on. But this is a Ron Paul thread...and trying to derail this into an Obama bash thread is off topic...


I like how you try to avoid it at all costs, it really is funny.

Well lets see what facts we have right here in this thread:

1) had the final call on approving the bailouts - fact
2) increased worldwide troop deployment -fact
3) involved us in additional international "conflicts" -fact
4) signed the NDAA into law -fact
5) signed Obamacare into law -fact
6) trampling of the constitution that rivals or possibly surpasses that of Bush -fact
7) cabinet members are leftovers from former administrations & Goldman Sachs -fact
7) Ron Paul would never do or allow anything listed above -fact

Yea, Outkast we really need you to verify all of these as facts so we know their legitimate.

Give me a break man, can you really try to dispute reality?

Or are you the grand master of spindoctors?

You are WAY beyond any help, good luck, because with judgement like yours you'll need all you can get.

Your still stuck in the left/right paradigm right where they want you to be.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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No. Ron Paul will not clinch the nomination.

Romeny went over the amount of delegates needed to get the nomination just a little while ago. While Ron Paul has made a surge in support since his last presidential run he doesn't have enough support to get nominated.





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