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Can God love?

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posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:54 AM
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Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by Greatest I am
 
There would seem to be ample extra biblical documents from secular historians and civil sources to suggest the people places and times can be known and trusted as best we can ...As for the rational of the biblical account I would have to agree it does defy mans rational but at the same time great amounts of money and time are put into the scientific study of Quantum Physics which defies rational but at the same time is believed by both Christians and non Christians ....I am not sure what to say other than if you can make a rational comparison and come up with a theory to explain the 2 I would be willing to listen to what you have to say ...peace



How about some professional logic.

www.youtube.com...

Regards
DL




posted on May, 1 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


I believe Jesus was the comforter he spoke of...



Perhaps.

Some are comforted by un-workable rhetoric.
I am not.

That would also beg the question as to why he did not just stick around and start comforting there and then. After all, he did say that kingdom of God was at hand when asked when the time of the end would be.

Regards
DL



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 12:29 PM
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It would appear that the guy speaking in the vid is saying that humans fall into a large group of irrational people ...Its hard to say if he is one of them or not .He does say a lot of words but fails to convey to my simple mind what it is he wants me to understand about proper rational ...maybe you could be so kind as to put it into a few simple highly rational words to convey the message ...Oh and while your at it please address my 2 points I brought up in your own rational explanation ..peace



posted on May, 1 2012 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Greatest I am
 


I believe Jesus was the comforter he spoke of...



Perhaps.

Some are comforted by un-workable rhetoric.
I am not.

That would also beg the question as to why he did not just stick around and start comforting there and then. After all, he did say that kingdom of God was at hand when asked when the time of the end would be.

Regards
DL


I believe he did stick around as long as he could... he showed many miracles and his followers still didn't believe who he was... until he actually came back to them after being executed... then there was no doubt.

We've been over the "unworkable rhetoric" thing before... i find nothing unworkable about "love God, and love your neighbour as yourself"

And i believe he said the kingdom is within...

Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."




posted on May, 2 2012 @ 12:28 PM
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Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by Greatest I am
 
It would appear that the guy speaking in the vid is saying that humans fall into a large group of irrational people ...Its hard to say if he is one of them or not .He does say a lot of words but fails to convey to my simple mind what it is he wants me to understand about proper rational ...maybe you could be so kind as to put it into a few simple highly rational words to convey the message ...Oh and while your at it please address my 2 points I brought up in your own rational explanation ..peace



Proper rational thinking to me would be not to believe that animals can talk or that an all powerful entity and master of the universe would care where I ##SNIPPED##

If he did, he would let me know instead of torturing me forever after I die without ever giving me full didclosure in life.

As to physicists. They follow their God, the math.

Regards
DL
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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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I believe he did stick around as long as he could... he showed many miracles and his followers still didn't believe who he was... until he actually came back to them after being executed... then there was no doubt.

We've been over the "unworkable rhetoric" thing before... i find nothing unworkable about "love God, and love your neighbour as yourself"

And i believe he said the kingdom is within...

Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."



Yep. Jesus made a good Gnostic and correct in that we are all in charge of our own apotheosis.

I have done mine. Have you done yours?

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Regards
DL



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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reply to post by Greatest I am
 
I think new scientific study may show that dolphins might be able to speak ..Oh yea and then there is that crazy parrot ...I loved Francis the talking Mule ..As to where you want to stick some piece of your body is your choice to decide ...And I didn't ask you what the name of the scientist god was it was how does such a rational mind as you may have logically explain it not calculate it...



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 03:00 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am

Originally posted by Akragon
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I believe he did stick around as long as he could... he showed many miracles and his followers still didn't believe who he was... until he actually came back to them after being executed... then there was no doubt.

We've been over the "unworkable rhetoric" thing before... i find nothing unworkable about "love God, and love your neighbour as yourself"

And i believe he said the kingdom is within...

Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.

When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."



Yep. Jesus made a good Gnostic and correct in that we are all in charge of our own apotheosis.

I have done mine. Have you done yours?

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Regards
DL




Done?


Nuuuu... i will never be done til the day i close my eyes for the last time...

Figured you'd appreciate that verse


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posted on May, 2 2012 @ 03:04 PM
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Disregard anything and everything greatest I am posts,

He is an agent of deceit and has never once offered up a post or thread worthy of quoting or learning anything from



posted on May, 2 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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posted on May, 5 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Done?


Nuuuu... i will never be done til the day i close my eyes for the last time...

Figured you'd appreciate that verse


edit on 2-5-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)


I did appreciate it and good to know your view on seeking to never stop improving on what is.

Regards
DL



posted on May, 5 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Your posts are genius in a way, I'm reading some over and can't stop laughing,

We're all serving a purpose, this is all Gods plan.....

By the way; God is, We are and I am, as are you, so what is God?

I apologize for harsh words against you in times past... I think I got irritated because I viewed what you were saying as completely absurd so I jumped on you, which was wrong......

Must accept,

Key to peace = acceptance



posted on May, 6 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Nice Christian way to apologise.
Nice way to walk your talk.

Not.

Regards
DL



posted on May, 10 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Can God love?

Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this. It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.

You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.

Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.


> Does love need deeds and works to be expressed?

Yes, and so does faith.

> Have you seen God express his love for us lately?

No, not in the direct way you mean.



We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral.


Can't disagree with you on that.

The questions you raise are good ones.

Here is another one, "If God's knows the future, how can he love us?"

It would seem the idea of LOVE which the Bible teaches
is very different when applied to THEE Supreme Meme.

At one time, I thought I solved this problem when I read a few
books on "Openness Theology" which made the case that God
doesn't know the future. At the time it was an answer to all my
questions and it helped me accept this "GOD" of the Bible.

However, I now have moved beyond this and see that the Bible
is the teaching of man. It is a human attempt to explain God
and even with the Bible itself we see this idea of God change
and you might say it is an evolutionary idea. God goes from
being one way, to being another. In Openness Theology this
is explained because God changes (repents) and learns from
man (an example is how Abraham changed God's mind).

Okay, so if we accept this idea that God changes (which
most Christians will NOT accept) then we are left with only
one conclusion: the Bible has created God in the image
of man and not the other way around. This is what I have
come to understand. I do not say "believe" because in
dropping the Bible I also have dropped all BELIEFS.

This does not mean I reject the idea of God, it means
I reject that notion that I need to HOLD any idea of God
in my mind. People seem to think clinging to some kind
of theology or some belief in God is FAITH, but I do not.
This seems to me little more than a childish fear.

For me, BELIEF is not FAITH (it only seems like it).
One is a concept, a meme, or dogmatic conviction.
The other is FREEDOM form such nonsense.
One is based in FEAR, the other in COURAGE.

One need not believe in ANY CONCEPT of God
in order to have FAITH in the DIVINE and to know
that they are CREATED as Eternal Beings.

In this world there SEEMS TO BE pain & victimhood
In this world there SEEMS TO BE separation & death
In this world there SEEMS TO BE greed, fear & attack

What if this WORLD is not real?
What if all this just SEEMS TO BE?
What if we it is all just a dream?

This line of thought has lead me to Buddhism
and where I have found it safe to drop all BELIEF
and simply live by FAITH. I don't look to prove
any idea of God to myself, rather I just TRUST
and relinquish everything else. I don't claim to
be right or to know, I simply strive to be as
honest with myself as I can be.

I have no beliefs, but I do TRUST that beyond
this upside-down world of illusion and delusion
there is meaning, peace, joy, love and bliss.

Strangely, this TRUST has the effect of bringing
these non-tangible and formless "things" into being.
So I know FAITH real, even if the object of faith is not.
Is that more delusion? Perhaps, but it isn't one that
came to me by HOLDING a belief, but rather it is
one that come to me by relinquish belief.

Remember my list of SEEMS TO BE above?
These THINGS no longer HOLD ME captive.
I now experience a LIBERTY and freedom
that my former BELIEFism never gave me.
Without dogma, creed, or concept of God
I am now at peace to LIVE by FAITH.


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posted on May, 11 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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Yes. Better to live in a delusion of freedom than one of bondage.

Regards
DL



posted on May, 11 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. Better to live in a delusion of freedom than one of bondage.

Regards
DL


If our delusion produces for us bondage, is that bondage real or imagined?
If our delusion produces for us freedom, is that freedom real or imagined?



posted on May, 12 2012 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by wasaka

Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. Better to live in a delusion of freedom than one of bondage.

Regards
DL


If our delusion produces for us bondage, is that bondage real or imagined?
If our delusion produces for us freedom, is that freedom real or imagined?


Delusions can be whatever you wish but they do not produce reality.

Regards
DL



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