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Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by Greatest I am
There would seem to be ample extra biblical documents from secular historians and civil sources to suggest the people places and times can be known and trusted as best we can ...As for the rational of the biblical account I would have to agree it does defy mans rational but at the same time great amounts of money and time are put into the scientific study of Quantum Physics which defies rational but at the same time is believed by both Christians and non Christians ....I am not sure what to say other than if you can make a rational comparison and come up with a theory to explain the 2 I would be willing to listen to what you have to say ...peace
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Greatest I am
I believe Jesus was the comforter he spoke of...
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by Greatest I am
I believe Jesus was the comforter he spoke of...
Perhaps.
Some are comforted by un-workable rhetoric.
I am not.
That would also beg the question as to why he did not just stick around and start comforting there and then. After all, he did say that kingdom of God was at hand when asked when the time of the end would be.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by the2ofusr1
reply to post by Greatest I am
It would appear that the guy speaking in the vid is saying that humans fall into a large group of irrational people ...Its hard to say if he is one of them or not .He does say a lot of words but fails to convey to my simple mind what it is he wants me to understand about proper rational ...maybe you could be so kind as to put it into a few simple highly rational words to convey the message ...Oh and while your at it please address my 2 points I brought up in your own rational explanation ..peace
Originally posted by Akragon
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I believe he did stick around as long as he could... he showed many miracles and his followers still didn't believe who he was... until he actually came back to them after being executed... then there was no doubt.
We've been over the "unworkable rhetoric" thing before... i find nothing unworkable about "love God, and love your neighbour as yourself"
And i believe he said the kingdom is within...
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Originally posted by Akragon
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I believe he did stick around as long as he could... he showed many miracles and his followers still didn't believe who he was... until he actually came back to them after being executed... then there was no doubt.
We've been over the "unworkable rhetoric" thing before... i find nothing unworkable about "love God, and love your neighbour as yourself"
And i believe he said the kingdom is within...
Jesus said, "If your leaders say to you, 'Look, the (Father's) kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you. If they say to you, 'It is in the sea,' then the fish will precede you. Rather, the kingdom is within you and it is outside you.
When you know yourselves, then you will be known, and you will understand that you are children of the living Father. But if you do not know yourselves, then you live in poverty, and you are the poverty."
Yep. Jesus made a good Gnostic and correct in that we are all in charge of our own apotheosis.
I have done mine. Have you done yours?
Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by Akragon
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Done?
Nuuuu... i will never be done til the day i close my eyes for the last time...
Figured you'd appreciate that verse
edit on 2-5-2012 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Can God love?
Love then, seems to Jesus, to be something that must be shown by deeds, actions and works to be alive and true love. Love, like faith, without works is dead. Both St. James and Jesus agree on this. It follows then that if God is not doing something to show this love then the love for man expressed in scriptures is wrong and God cannot love.
You are in the image of God. When you love someone you show them that love by works and deeds. This is how the recipient of that love knows it is there and that allows for reciprocity. You will agree that without reciprocity, true love cannot exist between two individuals. We must do things for each other for true love to exist.
Love then has no choice but to be expressed if it is true love.
We are told that God loved his son so much that he planned to have him sacrificed even before the earth was created. This human sacrifice or any other human sacrifice, voluntary or not, is immoral and the notion that it is good to sacrifice an innocent victim to give the guilty believers a free ride into heaven is a completely self-gratifying notion and is completely immoral.
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. Better to live in a delusion of freedom than one of bondage.
Regards
DL
Originally posted by wasaka
Originally posted by Greatest I am
Yes. Better to live in a delusion of freedom than one of bondage.
Regards
DL
If our delusion produces for us bondage, is that bondage real or imagined?
If our delusion produces for us freedom, is that freedom real or imagined?