Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
reply to post by lonewolf19792000
Would you also agree that the 'fault' in the old covenant was not in the 10 commandments themselves but in the terms of the agreement on the object of
the 10 commandment that the people themselves could not keep them in their own strength?
Considering the fact that Psalms 19:7 tells us 'The law of the LORD is perfect'. Is your answer a yes?
And you would agree that Jesus was under the law and had to fulfill it perfectly or else he would not have been an unblemished sacrifice in our place
acceptable before the Father ( I am trying to determine what the point you were trying to make citing Matthew 12:1-14 when it only supports my case
and not yours)?
Because to me it seems like you are citing texts with a couple of key words that support your current stance with little understanding of what the
full meaning of the passage entails.
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I understand all too well of the context and the symbolism
. The moral of the story is he desires mercy and not sacrifice. Again, i will say to
you that a specific sabbath day was never
mentioned anywhere in the bible. The "sabbath" is the day you rest on from your labors. If you work 6
days you take the 7th one off.
You keep ignoring my question of "what are Yeshua's commandments
?", after the 4th time asking i am going to say that you yourself do not
I'll tell you what day the Sabbath is. It's the day Yeshua was crucified for our sins. That day he became our Sabbath Day. Again i urge you to
. You cannot hold onto the old covenant and have the second covenant. The fact that you do not know that our God became our
Sabbath troubles me.
Yeshua fulfilled those laws...by becoming them
This source may help, but i have doubts about that
Yeshua is our God, it is his
commandments you must keep, and he didn't keep those jewish laws, he broke them constantly which is why the
pharisees kept accusing him of doing what was not lawful. He had authority to break them because he is the one who created them.
Since you keep ignoring the Council of Jerusalem, i will post it here for you to read:
And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”
2 Therefore, when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and dispute with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas and certain others of them
should go up to Jerusalem, to the apostles and elders, about this question.
3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through Phoenicia and Samaria, describing the conversion of the Gentiles; and they caused
great joy to all the brethren. 4 And when they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the church and the apostles and the elders; and they
reported all things that God had done with them. 5 But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to
circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”
The Jerusalem Council
6 Now the apostles and elders came together to consider this matter. 7 And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men
and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So
God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them,
purifying their hearts by faith. 10 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we
were able to bear? 11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they.”
12 Then all the multitude kept silent and listened to Barnabas and Paul declaring how many miracles and wonders God had worked through them among the
Gentiles. 13 And after they had become silent, James answered, saying, “Men and brethren, listen to me: 14 Simon has declared how God at the first
visited the Gentiles to take out of them a people for His name. 15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, just as it is written:
16 ‘After this I will return
And will rebuild the tabernacle of David, which has fallen down;
I will rebuild its ruins,
And I will set it up;
17 So that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
Even all the Gentiles who are called by My name,
Says the Lord who does all these things.’
18 “Known to God from eternity are all His works. 19 Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to
God, 20 but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[ from things strangled, and from blood.
For Moses has had throughout many generations those who preach him in every city, being read in the synagogues every Sabbath.”
The Jerusalem Decree
22 Then it pleased the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas, namely,
Judas who was also named Barsabas,[e] and Silas, leading men among the brethren.
23 They wrote this letter by them:
The apostles, the elders, and the brethren,
To the brethren who are of the Gentiles in Antioch, Syria, and Cilicia:
24 Since we have heard that some who went out from us have troubled you with words, unsettling your souls, saying, “You must be circumcised and keep
the law”[f] —to whom we gave no such commandment— 25 it seemed good to us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men to you with our
beloved Barnabas and Paul, 26 men who have risked their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. 27 We have therefore sent Judas and Silas, who
will also report the same things by word of mouth. 28 For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than
these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from things offered to idols, from blood, from things strangled, and from sexual immorality] If you keep
yourselves from these, you will do well.
Continuing Ministry in Syria
30 So when they were sent off, they came to Antioch; and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the letter. 31 When they had
read it, they rejoiced over its encouragement. 32 Now Judas and Silas, themselves being prophets also, exhorted and strengthened the brethren with
many words. 33 And after they had stayed there for a time, they were sent back with greetings from the brethren to the apostles.[h]
34 However, it seemed good to Silas to remain there. 35 Paul and Barnabas also remained in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord,
with many others also.
Division over John Mark
36 Then after some days Paul said to Barnabas, “Let us now go back and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord,
and see how they are doing.” 37 Now Barnabas was determined to take with them John called Mark. 38 But Paul insisted that they should not take with
them the one who had departed from them in Pamphylia, and had not gone with them to the work. 39 Then the contention became so sharp that they parted
from one another. And so Barnabas took Mark and sailed to Cyprus; 40 but Paul chose Silas and departed, being commended by the brethren to the grace
of God. 41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, strengthening the churches.
So, basically by saying we have to keep the laws, you call the Holy Spirit a liar. You mock God. Thats blasphemy that can't be forgiven. Blasphemy of
the Holy Spirit.
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