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Veneration of the pagan sun god in the beast's mark vs God's mark and seal : powerful video sermon

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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 05:33 AM
Ever think veneration of the pagan sun god (aka Lucifer) might have some connection with the mark of the thought right.

A powerful sermon going through a strong scriptural basis outlining what the Beast's mark is and equally important, the seal of God.

This is a great sermon I watched today on this topic which communicates the issue very well...sermon comes in 7 parts....overall length approx 1hr....time well spent though!!!

Last Day Message! Discover Mark Of The Beast 144,000 Part 1 of 7

part 2 of 7 10 min
part 3 of 7 10 min
part 4 of 7 10 min
part 5 of 7 10 min
part 6 of 7 6:40 min
part 7 of 7 6:14 min

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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 05:47 AM
You have posted videos of approx 1 hour in duration.

You are supposed to give some details of what these videos contain so we can decide if we want to invest our time in watching these.

posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 07:17 AM
reply to post by lacrimaererum

It is a sermon outlining what God's Seal is by a study of the Bible and how it is mutually exclusive to the Beast's mark. Quotes are given directly from the beast power telling us what its mark is and that it considers itself above the Bible. The video presents a common sense approach to the subject matter by sticking true to the Word and showing that this final last days test is about your allegiance to God and obedience to Him rather than the fanciful and illogical common thoughts on the mark of the beast given by most Christian like a bar-code,chip ect which defy reason as to how they could legally disqualify us at the judgement from receiving a place in the Book of Life.

When we understand that keeping the beast's mark is a veneration we pay to the sun god who is Lucifer/Satan we can see how this shows your allegiance is to someone other than God, the one who upholds himself above God.

The case is strongly presented that the mark of the beast is something that the vast majority of Christians today (95%+) would receive if they continued on as usual when the beast's mark is enforced by law. Considering this great number, it is valuable information to receive personally but also to pass on to your loved ones as well.

Hosea 4:6 - '...My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge...'
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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 10:58 AM
Excuse me? I was always taught, by Christians, not withstanding, that Lucifer was associated with the planet Venus. Re/Ra is the Ancient Sun God, but many Ancient Deities are directly associated with the Sun, such as Aten, and
Apollo. The Sun was also associated with one of the oldest Goddess in Ancient Egypt:
Isis and the Sun God's Secret Name

Sun worship flourishes even today in the Catholic faith:
Consider our "modern" terms, Horizon and Sun Set. Consider the fact that Jesus is surrounded by 12 disciples and the events of Jesus life are like the Sun of God surrounded by the 12 signs of the Zodiac.
I don't believe I have ever read anything that associates Lucifer with the Sun. Anyway, can you point to any one thing that is more deserving that the Sun?

posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:44 PM
Lucifer = Venus (the planet)

Satan = Saturn (the planet)

Now learn how they are NOT the sun.

posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 06:25 PM
reply to post by autowrench

You are very much on the right track in your way of thinking here autowrench. Satan was thrown out of heaven and has been on the earth since the dawn of our time. Satan was familiar with the triune God of Heaven that manifest as Father, Son, Holy Spirit and in order to set up a counterfeit to this we have basically all the ancient mystery religious set up with Father, Mother, Child worship instead as a false trinity and one of the major gods representing the Sun. Yes, the Catholic church is involved in (to the insiders/initiates) modern sun worship. This is why the Bible identifies the papacy as the sea Beast of revelation 13. Revelation 13:2, 'The beast I saw resembled a leopard, but had feet like those of a bear and a mouth of a lion. The dragon gave the beast his throne and great authority.

The imagery of the beast having components of different animals is referencing the book of Daniel chapter 7 and the dream of the 4 beasts. What God is telling us in Revelation 13 is that a earthly power will come along that will set itself up as above me and it will contain components that were present in the systems of worship in Babylon (lion component), Persia (bear component), and Greece (leopard component).

Revelation 13:7 He was given power to make war with the saints and to conquer them.
The major story of the dark ages was religious suppression of thought by Rome who would even burn people at the stake for having a bible. Rome did all that it could in its power to keep the everyday person ignorant of the Word of God. You have such terrible battles taking place by guys like John Wycliffe and Martin Luther just to try and have the bible translated into the language of the people of England and Germany. Rome wanted it kept in Latin, a language usually only understood by the learned priest class so the priest had power to dictate upon man what they should believe and not have man able to point out the errors of their ways and apostasy they brought into the church. All the major reformers identified the papacy as the sea beast of Revelation (and little horn power of Daniel 7:8)

In the verses helping to describe who this earthly Satanic power would be the bible gives us 7 occasions the length of its major period of rule described either as:
1. 1260 days
2. 42 months
3. times, time and a half (meaning 3.5 years)
These are all referring to the same length of time as to the Hebrews a month is 30 days and a year is 360 days in length.

These are all prophetic lengths of time which means according to the authorized version of the bible we can 1 day to equal 1 year (

This is proved true historically from the period of time of 538 AD upon Emperor Justinian's decree enabling supremacy of the Bishop of Rome over the Church to dictate the conscious of man up until the time of 1798 when French General Berthier entered Rome, abolished the papal government, and established a secular one.

Their are other biblical descriptions that I could expound on
Daniel 7:25 'He will speak against the Most High and oppress the saints and try to change set times and laws'

Well the current calendar (times) that we use the Gregorian calendar was introduced by Pope Gregory XIII to make make the pagan fertility festival of Ishtar fall more closely in line with a typical christian celebration by cutting 2 weeks from the calendar.

Changed laws - Well the second commandment on no idol worship has been erased (that is how they get away with all their idol and icon worship) from the catechism and they changed the day of weekly worship to Sunday (relating to the 4th commandment)

Papacy says, "The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate law, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." - Decretal De Translat. Espiscop. Cap.

“Most Christians assume that Sunday is the biblically approved day of worship. The Catholic Church protests that it transferred Christian worship from the biblical Sabbath (Saturday) to Sunday, and that to try to argue that the change was made in the Bible is both dishonest and a denial of Catholic authority. If Protestantism wants to base its teachings only on the Bible, it should worship on Saturday.” — Rome’s Challenge Dec 2003.

source: Statements by the Catholic Church - follow link to see many similar quotes

You will see from this video what Sunday (sun worship) means to Satan

Testimony from an Ex Satanist

posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 07:14 PM
reply to post by autowrench

Dictionary definition of Sunday -
'Webster's International Dictionary, 19th edition' - called because this day was anciently dedicated to the sun, or its worship

'Schaff-Herza Encyclopedia' - Sunday (Dies Solis of the Roman calendar, 'day of the sun,' being dedicated to the sun), the first day of the week

In talking about Satan we read in the Bible in Revelation 10:11, 'They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek Apollyon

Once you understand that Satan/Lucifer is the author/inspiration behind all the ancient religions involving the veneration of the sun it doesn't matter what name you worship him under.

Satan is even venerated at Christmas (at a time supposedly for Jesus) which is really about the rebirth of the sun god. We know from the bible that no date is given of Jesus' birth only that the shepherds were still in the fields at that time of year which would rule out the northern hemisphere December winter.

Is it any wonder why when we hear of testimony from ex-illuminati members (Svali, John Todd) who were working toward establishing Satan's visible earthly kingdom that we hear of all the dealings these secret society groups have with the Vatican. Seeing that the Bible tells us the dragon (satan) gave the beast (papacy) its throne and great authority we should not be surprised at all. We should not be surprised that it was the Jesuits acting on behalf of the papacy that establish all the various secret societies we have now, because they could not continue on as usual under their own name when every protestant reformer had fingered them as the Beast.

( - Link to historical evidence of Jesuits setting up the secret societies, - link to information showing clearly the Revelation 13 Beast powers)

Is there something better to worship than the sun god.....hmmmm, about the one who was creator or the sun, the earth, the whole universe and even made you, and who offered himself as a willing sacrifice in your place so that you would be acceptable before the Father at Judgement if you were to believe and follow Him.
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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 09:35 PM

Originally posted by MasterGemini
Lucifer = Venus (the planet)

Satan = Saturn (the planet)

Now learn how they are NOT the sun.

some further understanding for you....quotes from the highest masonic sources who are the keepers of the ancient occult teachings

"Lucifer, the Light-Bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the light, and with its splendors intolerable blinds feeble, sensual or selfish Souls? Doubt it not!"

(Albert Pike, Morals and Dogmas p.321) ...this is the highest source book in Freemasonry

"Those Brethren who delight to trace our emblems to an astronomical origin, find in the compass a symbol of the sun, and circular pivot representing the body of the luminary, and the diverging legs his rays."
Encyclopedia of Freemasonry p. 236

Albert Pike says,

That which we must say to a crowd is- We worship a God, but it is the God that one adores without superstition. To you, Sovereign Grand Inspectors General, we say this, that you may repeat to the Brethren of the 32nd, 31st and 30th degrees- The Masonic Religion should be, by all of us initiates in the high degrees, maintained in the purity of the Luciferian Doctrine. If Lucifer were not God, would Adonay whose deeds prove his cruelty, perdify and hatred of man, barbarism and repulsion of science would Adonay and his priests, calomniate him? Yes, Lucifer is God, and unfortunately Adonay is also god. For the eternal law is that there is no light without shade, no beauty without ugliness, no white without black, for the absolute can only exist as two gods: darkness being necessary to the statute, and the brake to the locomotive. Thus the doctrine of Satanism is a heresy; and the true and pure philosophical religion is the belief in Lucifer, the equal of Adonay; but Lucifer, God of Light and God of Good, is struggling for humanity against Adonay, the God of Darkness and Evil

Instructions to the 23 Supreme Councils of the World, July 14, 1889. Recorded by A. C. De La Rive in La Femme et l'Enfant dans la Franc Maconnerie Universelle on page 588

"...The devil is now called Darkness by the Church, whereas in the Bible he is called the "Son of God", the bright star of the early morning, Lucifer. There is a whole philosophy of dogmatic craft in the reason why the first Archangel, who sprang from the depths of Chaos, was called Lux (lucifer), the "Luminous Son of the Morning," or man-vantaric Dawn. He was transformed by the Church into Lucifer or Satan, because he is higher and older than Jehovah, and had to be sacrificed to the new dogma."

(Blavatsky, Secret Doctrine p. 71)

Are you able to see the connection now?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:09 AM

Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Is there something better to worship than the sun god.....hmmmm, about the one who was creator or the sun, the earth, the whole universe and even made you, and who offered himself as a willing sacrifice in your place so that you would be acceptable before the Father at Judgement if you were to believe and follow Him

Yes, but there is something even more powerful to worship. How about the God that IS the Sun, The Earth, and The Universe, Because ALL things that exist are apart of him and NOTHING can exist outside of him. The God that is existence itself, nothing can be more stronger than.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:32 AM
reply to post by arpgme

what I meant to say was 'creator OF'.....not 'creator or'...only realized my error after the time I had to edit the post....God does not want us to worship nature and your phraseology sounds kind of similar to pantheism (which is Luciferian) I do not concur. I will make it clearer for you.....the God I was referencing is Jesus. I dare anyone to read the book on the life of Jesus called, 'The Desire of Ages' and not find Him to be who he said he is. Free online The Desire of Ages found here. Careful, you might just find it to be the most inspiring, spiritually uplifting book you have ever read, and you becoming a follower of Him after it too! It is perfectly inline with the Biblical account of Jesus but is in a format that can be much easier to read. Click on the title of a chapter that catches your eye and you will see, don't be shy!

A better description of the God I am referencing would include: the one that sustains your every breathe, the one that loves you more than anyone, who had you on His mind before you were even born, who will never let you down when you call upon Him, who desires to be your personal friend and know you above anything else and wishes for you to find Him and take you to be with Him in paradise forever, the place where there is no tears, no sickness, no death or discord. With Him there every power will be developed, every capability increased. The grandest enterprises will be carried forward, the loftiest aspirations will be reached, the highest ambitions realized. And still there will arise new heights to surmount, new wonders to admire, new truths to comprehend, fresh objects to call forth the powers of body and mind and soul.

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 08:53 AM
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

Obviously the God that is EXISTENCE itself and can do whatever it wants by directing us, nature, etc. is more powerful than just one being.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:43 AM
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

That is all well, and good, but if you read me, I do not believe in such a being, author of all things evil. I also have no belief in the famous Christian Trinity of "Father, Son, Holy Spirit," all male, of course, because this was created so that males could be dominant in religion, and women could then be demonized. Don't forget, a Goddess was worshipped on Earth for some 45,000 years before the Holy Roman Church came along. The real Trinity is a Family, Father, Mother, and Children. Just because a system is older does not make it false, and I fail to see where this logic comes from. You point out Bible quotations to me, again, if you rad me, you will see my opinion on that also.

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 08:51 PM
reply to post by autowrench

I have given you prime examples of the connection of Sun worship referring to Satan both in the top occult sources (see my reply to MasterGemmini) and the Bible....probably all the info of which you have never heard before.

I have shown you through historical events fulfilled prophecy and scriptural description in the Bible that directly points out the Roman Catholic Church as the beast power that it is from Satan and that God rejects it, He calls it the 'mother of Harlots', an abomination to Him, a whore/postitute. He describes the papacy as the 'son of perdition' the only other place in the Bible this term is used is to describe Judas, the one who hid himself amongst the other disciples and betrayed Jesus with a kiss. God also calls the other christian churches that follow some Catholic practices/teachings as 'the false prophet' and drunk on the wine of her fornication, He has a last days call to his people in the his apostate churches to 'come out of Babylon'. The point of the sermon video above is to make this call, for God's people to come out of Babylon

The Christian church I belong to has female pastors as well and no false teachings/practices that come from Rome (but what church you belong to doesn't matter, only your relationship with Jesus matters). Please don't view the representatives of Jesus, Christians, through the lenses of what the Papacy has is not of Jesus. You must surely know that the Jesuits and illuminati have made it a key practice of theirs to infiltrate the protestant churches as well. This is definitely the case. Go to the source of the knowledge (king James version, as Jesuits Wescott and Hort did a good job of corrupting things from then on). Go to the link a couple of posts up and read the free book 'The Desire of Ages'.

I am not going to be able to change your mind of what you perceive history to be, simply for me to say that humans have not been around for 45,000 years and Satan was present on earth since Eden, and him being the source of the false teachings. If you want background to the rebellion by Lucifer, how he has come to be chained to his earth and its temporal ruler and the purpose of this then I would highly suggest reading the first 5 chapter of the book, 'The Truth about Angels'. Go Here and search the terms 'ta'. The whole book is great but those first few chapters are specific to the initial rebellion and the terms under which we find ourselves today.

Angels are androgenic beings, so if Satan is worshiped as goddesses like Diana, Cihuacoatl or Amaterasu or gods like Titan, Mithras, or Horus it is all the same in his books, veneration of him above God and turning people from God to lead them to their destruction.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 09:15 PM
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

I have given you prime examples of the connection of Sun worship referring to Satan both in the top occult sources...

I'm sorry, but Albert Pike, an Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, and Helena Blavatsky are not considered to be the "top sources" of the Occult Sciences. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Freemasons are not as into the Occult as you make them out to be. Albert Pike was a good writer, but he is not an authority on the Science, and Helena Blavatsky channelled ET Beings for her information.

Sun Worship is as old as dirt.

sun worship, Akhenaton: Akhenaton, Nefertiti, and three daughters [Credit: Foto Marburg/Art Resource, New York] veneration of the sun or a representation of the sun as a deity, as in Atonism in Egypt in the 14th century bce.


Stonehenge Reveals New Clues of Ancient Worship

Worship of the Sun, Moon and Stars


The truth of the matter here here is Sun Worship is many thousands of years older than the Christian concept of Satan. And anyway, how can you look at the Sun, that which comes out brightly every morning, shining those beautiful rays upon us, warming the Earth, proving that which makes things can anyone in good concious call such a thing Satan? I thought he was Dark?

There is so much about Christianity that just does not make any sense. And, I think the constant labelling of EVERYTHING fallen/demon/devil/satan is getting a little tired. Am I alone here, folks?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 09:51 PM
reply to post by autowrench

Lucifer is the feminine light aspect, Satan is the masculine dark aspect...they are both the same being.

Blavatsky did not channel ET, she channeled Lucifer (posing as ET or otherwise)

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. II)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God."
pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

"The Celestial Virgin which thus becomes the Mother of Gods and Devils at one and the same time; for she is the ever-loving beneficent Deity...but in antiquity and reality Lucifer or Luciferius is the name. Lucifer is divine and terrestial Light, 'the Holy Ghost' and "Satan' at one and the same time."
page 539

Later she shows that Lucifer is that Light that these initiates are seeking: 'the great magic agent ... astral light ... is that which the Church calls Lucifer.' She acknowledges that the Latin scholastics called this entity Satan. Anthropogenesis, Helena Blavatsky, p.511

Spangler says that 'Lucifer comes to give us the final .. Luciferic initiation .. it is the initiation into the New Age'. He also says that 'Christ is the same force as Lucifer ... Lucifer prepares man for the experience of christhood .... Lucifer works within each one of us to bring us to wholeness as we move into the New Age'. Reflections of the Christ, David Spangler, pp. 40-44.

I don't know what you are trying to say about the Christian concept of dates to Genesis 3, the dawn of man. The point of the serpent who is Satan (in this case under the disguise of a serpent rather than his angelic form) at the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is to test Adam and Eve's allegiance to God by seeing if they would obey God's Word not to eat from the tree ever. If God was to tell them prior to the test, 'oh at the tree is someone know as Satan and can disguise himself as anything, is a great deceiver and will tell you whatever is nice to hear', then it would not be much of a test hey! So no, the concept of the great deceiver Satan is there at the start, passed on through the oral tradition and written down for posterity by Moses. So Eden and teachings from God about this predates 5,000 year old Stone Henge.

People don't call the sun Satan. Satan just chose as his main symbol to be the sun and based his main worship practices around this. To him he sees the worship of the sun as a veneration of himself. He is putting himself in place of Jesus, not only as Jesus is the acknowledged creator of the sun but also playing off on the concept of 'light of the world' where Jesus is the only true light of the world, that our hope and joy is in Him alone. So once again it is a kind of counterfeit like Christmas and Easter.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:09 PM
reply to post by autowrench

I am very keen to hear all aspects of Christianity that makes no sense to you....give me perhaps a couple of questions at a time though so I can address each one well.

but you have to be open enough to learn the information I present and the sources I suggest to read and watch which could include many hours of study for you. I am confident though that no matter what question you ask I can provide a very satisfactory answer for you that will uncover greater truths that you may have not seen or looked over before. Most of my responses will be only some writing or understandings myself to give you a taste of the answer then backing it up with the places to go (or quotes from others) that clearly demonstrate the point I would try to make but in a way that is much more researched and clear than I could do myself. My strength is in knowing correct understandings and where is error and knowing the best places to find the correct understandings that come uncorrupted by jesuits or similar similar agents!
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 10:21 PM
You get all that from that book Sir Francis Drake edited for a year? Don't you think perhaps he and John Dee took a little creative license? Ever notice how you guys all sound alike? Like parrots.

For Your Information:

The Origin of Satan & Demons

F.F. Bruce and Robert Mounce agree that the popular Evangelical view of Satan owes more to John Milton than to the teachings of Scripture: indeed it difficult to approach the 'proof texts' used without reading them through a preconceived theological framework.

In the OT five main passages are cited: Genesis 3; Job 1:6-12; Isa.14:12-16; Eze.28:11-19; Zech.3:1-2. Of these the Genesis passage does not refer to 'Satan' by name, but to 'the Serpent'. Job.1:6-12 & Zech.3:1-2 tell us a little about his role as 'the accuser', but nothing whatever about his origin, except that as he approached God with 'the Sons of God' (Job 1:6) presumably he too was an angel.

Isaiah 14:12-16 in its context refers to the King of Babylon, the 'Lucifer' of the KJV being more accurately translated 'Morning Star' as in the NIV.3 Although the passage is often said to have a double meaning, referring to both the King of Babylon and to Satan, who stands as the real power behind the throne, this view is a result of reading the OT from the perspective of the NT. Grogan4 points out that this was probably the passage that Jesus was alluding to in Luke 10:185 In that case Jesus was more likely to have been using the King of Babylon's fall as a type of Satan, rather than giving the passage a completely new interpretation. Doctrine based on typology is notoriously suspect, yet the popular view of Satan is largely built upon it.

It is Ezekiel 28 that has been most misused in an attempt to formulate a doctrine of Satan, and yet it is one of the most difficult passages in Ezekiel to interpret. A number of sections in this passage are used to point to a double referent to both the King of Tyre and to Satan.
As a secular person, I would really love to see all of this support and veneration to this "Satan" to stop. Some of you cannot type a sentence without mentioning him, like he is your God or something. Is this hype over and over really necessary? Why doesn't your all powerful God snap his mighty fingers and zap ol' Satan right out of existence?

posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 11:55 PM

Originally posted by autowrench
Why doesn't your all powerful God snap his mighty fingers and zap ol' Satan right out of existence?

God has snapped his fingers a few times at Satan in major ways that completely negated all the efforts he was putting in to establish his visible dictatorial kingdom on earth. A prime example of this is the tower of Babel where God confounded the languages, this gave Satan a couple of thousand years of headaches before he could get his act together again. God did not choose to destroy Satan at this time which he can do at any time He wishes because He wanted to provide more time for us to come and find Him. This is also a main reason my these secret societies use symbols everywhere now because it is a universal language and they are afraid their enterprises will come undone again by similar interventions.

My following information comes primarily from the book called 'The truth about angels'. the book I told you about in an above post by the writer who the Jesuits consider to be the only modern-day prophet of God and who's works they don't want anyone to read because then you will know all of their plans ( I will be picking some points up from chapters 3, 4 and 5 but I suggest you read these for yourself too.

Lucifer was created as the highest angel in Heaven and one of his main roles was to be a covering angel over the heavenly ark of the covenant that held the 10 commandments in heaven. He was created beautiful and powerful and it was once a delight for him to obey the commands of God and was one who stood nearest to the throne of God. Among the inhabitants of heaven, Satan, next to Christ, was at one time most honored of God, and highest in power and glory. He was not created though without freewill and thus the capability for evil.

But in this state of peace and purity, sin originated with him who had been perfect in all his ways. The prophet writes of him: “Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty; thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness.” Sin is a mysterious, unexplainable thing. There was no reason for its existence; to seek to explain it is to seek to give a reason for it, and that would be to justify it. Sin appeared in a perfect universe, a thing that was shown to be inexcusable.

Little by little, Lucifer came to indulge the desire for self-exaltation.... Though all his glory was from God, this mighty angel came to regard it as pertaining to himself.

Before the great contest should open, all were to have a clear presentation of His [God’s] will, whose wisdom and goodness were the spring of all their joy.

The King of the universe summoned the heavenly host before Him, that in their presence He might set forth the true position of His Son, and show the relation He sustained to all created beings.... Before the assembled inhabitants of heaven the King declared that none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into His purposes, and to Him it was committed to execute the mighty counsels of His will.

The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ, His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. Especially was His Son to work in union with Himself in the anticipated creation of the earth....

Satan was envious and jealous of Jesus Christ. Yet when all the angels bowed to Jesus to acknowledge His supremacy and high authority and rightful rule, Satan bowed with them; but his heart was filled with envy and hatred. Christ had been taken into the special counsel of God in regard to His plans, while Satan was unacquainted with them. He did not understand, neither was he permitted to know, the purposes of God. But Christ was acknowledged sovereign of heaven, His power and authority to be the same as that of God Himself. Satan thought that he was himself a favorite in heaven among the angels. He had been highly exalted; but ... he aspired to the height of God Himself. He gloried in his loftiness. He knew that he was honored by the angels. He had a special mission to execute. He had been near the great Creator, and the ceaseless beams of glorious light enshrouding the eternal God, had shone especially upon him. Satan thought how angels had obeyed his command with pleasurable alacrity. Were not his garments light and beautiful? Why should Christ thus be honored before himself?

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 11:57 PM
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So the campaign against Christ begins. Satan ... began his work of rebellion with the angels under his command, seeking to diffuse among them the spirit of discontent. And he worked in so deceptive a way that many of the angels were won to his allegiance before his purposes were fully known. By sly insinuations, by which he made it appear that Christ had assumed the place that belonged to himself, Lucifer sowed the seeds of doubt in the minds of many of the angels.

He [Lucifer] gained the sympathy of some of his associates by suggesting thoughts of criticism regarding the government of God. This evil seed was scattered in a most seducing manner; and after it had sprung up and taken root in the minds of many, he gathered the ideas that he himself had first implanted in the minds of others, and brought them before the highest order of angels as the thoughts of other minds against the government of God.

Lucifer ... at first so conducted his temptations that he himself stood uncommitted. The angels whom he could not bring fully to his side, he accused of indifference to the interests of heavenly beings. The very work which he himself was doing, he charged upon the loyal angels. It was his policy to perplex with subtle arguments concerning the purposes of God. Everything that was simple he shrouded in mystery, and by artful perversion cast doubt upon the plainest statements of Jehovah. And his high position, so closely connected with the divine government, gave greater force to his representations.

God’s government included not only the inhabitants of heaven but of all the created worlds; and Satan thought that if he could carry the intelligences of heaven with him in rebellion, he could also carry with him the other worlds.

God in His wisdom did not immediately thrust Satan out of heaven. This act would not have changed his principles, and would only have strengthened his rebellion, for it would have created sympathy for him as one unjustly dealt with; and he would have carried a much larger number with him. He must be displaced, and have time to more fully develop his principles.

He [Lucifer] began to insinuate doubts concerning the laws that governed heavenly beings, intimating that though laws might be necessary for the inhabitants of the worlds, angels, being more exalted, needed no such restraint, for their own wisdom was sufficient guide.

Lucifer ... sought to abolish the law of God. He claimed that the unfallen intelligences of holy heaven had no need of law, but were capable of governing themselves and of preserving unspotted integrity.

Even the loyal angels did not fully discern his [Satan’s] character. This was why God did not at once destroy Satan. Had He done so, the holy angels would not have perceived the justice and love of God. A doubt of God’s goodness would have been as evil seed that would yield the bitter fruit of sin and woe. Therefore the author of evil was spared, fully to develop his character.

The spirit of discontent and disaffection had never before been known in heaven. It was a new element, strange, mysterious, unaccountable. Lucifer himself had not at first been acquainted with the real nature of his feelings; for a time he had feared to express the workings and imaginings of his mind; yet he did not dismiss them. He did not see whither he was drifting. But such efforts as infinite love and wisdom only could devise, were made to convince him of his error. His disaffection was proved to be without cause, and he was made to see what would be the result of persisting in revolt. Lucifer was convinced that he was in the wrong. He saw that the divine statutes are just, and that he ought to acknowledge them as such before all heaven.

In the councils of heaven it was decided that principles must be acted upon that would not at once destroy Satan’s power; for it was God’s purpose to place things upon an eternal basis of security. Time must be given for Satan to develop the principles which were the foundation of his government. The heavenly universe must see worked out the principles which Satan declared to be superior to God’s principles. God’s order must be contrasted with Satan’s order. The corrupting principles of Satan’s rule must be revealed. The principles of righteousness expressed in God’s law must be demonstrated as unchangeable, perfect, eternal.

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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Now I am skipping a bit ahead to a time after the rebellion and him being thrown out.

Satan trembled as he viewed his work. He was alone in meditation upon the past, the present, and his future plans. His mighty frame shook as with a tempest. An angel from heaven was passing. He called him, and entreated an interview with Christ. This was granted him. He then related to the Son of God that he repented of his rebellion, and wished again the favor of God. He was willing to take the place God had
previously assigned him, and be under his wise command. Christ wept at Satan’s woe, but told him, as the mind of God, that he could never be received into heaven.... The seeds of rebellion were still within

When Satan became fully convinced that there was no possibility of his being reinstated in the favor of God, he manifested his malice with increased hatred and fiery vehemence...

As soon as the Lord through Jesus Christ created our world, and placed Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, Satan announced his purpose to conform to his own nature the father and mother of all humanity. God created man for His own glory, that after test and trial the human family might become one with the heavenly family. It was God’s purpose to repopulate heaven with the human family. The vacancies made in heaven by the fall of Satan and his angels will be filled by the redeemed of the Lord.

So you see by God allowing Lucifer to live for a time only (which very soon will come to an end, but not before his last great deception when he impersonates Jesus' second coming and enforces a Sunday law which will show God's true people, who are they that follow the Divine Law only) he is showing to all the other created world's in the universe just what the true character of Satan is like and what it is like if he was to have authority over you. The testimony of what happens on earth will be used unto the whole universe to stamp out sin once and for all for all time because we will have a full history of the ravages and heartache it causes. Also, without Satan here present to tempt us and send us trials then our characters and love and obedience for Jesus could not be developed which would see us as appropriate to take the positions of the heavenly angels that left.

Does that make sense to you? I think it is valuable to understand the history of the events to know what it means for us and brings understanding to our lives and their purposes.
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