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A simple thought experiment

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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:30 AM
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Hooray, a thought experiment! Just like old times! No one? Sigh...

Suppose there is someone you trust, and someone you don't trust. Let's call them Alice and Bob respectively. You are presented with the following scenarios independently of each other. Each time you are asked to evaluate a statement: you can either accept it completely or you can doubt it. Assume you have no contact with the outside world, and have not had contact for an unknown period of time. Also, assume that you are familiar with elementary arithmetic, in which the statement that 2 + 2 = 4 is true.

1. Alice tells you that 2 + 2 = 4.
2. Bob tells you that 2 + 2 = 4.
3. Alice tells you that today is a Tuesday.
4. Bob tells you that today is a Tuesday.

How do you evaluate them? Do any of the experiment constraints not apply to you? Just what is the purpose of this thought experiment?

You may answer any or all of them. Have at it!
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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:34 AM
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I know math. I know the days of the week. Logic tells me that Alice and Bob are telling me the truth.

So, what is the point of your thread.

Des



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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The bitch is lying...

Oh wait it isn't that kind of test, sorry.



The point of this "test" is about females verses males right?



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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The point is are you going to judge information by someone you don't trust even if it's the same information from someone you do. It's to test to see how judgemental you are. If bob told you the answer is 4 before alice did and you didn't know the answer. To clear this up it's not exactly the math equation that's a metaphorical example. Would you accept it. Just to have alice whom you do trust tell you the samething. This experiment is to show you who you are to yourself potentially.



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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Originally posted by mileysubet
The bitch is lying...

Oh wait it isn't that kind of test, sorry.



The point of this "test" is about females verses males right?


oooh...let's run with that. I like your astute observation of the sublime.....

Girls are better than Boys....
Tag, you're it....

Des



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:40 AM
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Alice is telling the truth and is being copied by Bob.



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by mileysubet
The bitch is lying...

Oh wait it isn't that kind of test, sorry.



The point of this "test" is about females verses males right?


oooh...let's run with that. I like your astute observation of the sublime.....

Girls are better than Boys....
Tag, you're it....

Des


I lost at "tag"...



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:42 AM
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Too late OP. mileysubet and I are running in a different direction....


That's what happens when you ask a vague question....

Des



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:43 AM
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Originally posted by Logmafia
Alice is telling the truth and is being copied by Bob.


Score:

Alice 2

Bob 1



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:44 AM
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Ok tag is out. How are you at Simon Sez....or dodge ball....you decide.

Score:

Alice 4

Bob 1



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:45 AM
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Sorry not the op.



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:47 AM
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Originally posted by Manunnaki
reply to post by Destinyone
 


Sorry not the op.


Mea Culpa...my bad...

Where did the OP go. Is this another drive by thread.

Des



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by Tadeusz
1. Alice tells you that 2 + 2 = 4.
2. Bob tells you that 2 + 2 = 4.
3. Alice tells you that today is a Tuesday.
4. Bob tells you that today is a Tuesday.



I'd trust them half the time.
Like all humans, sometimes they makes honest mistakes, such as in this example.
Today is a Friday.



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:50 AM
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The OP is waiting for someone of a... higher intelligence class to respond.

* tumbleweed tumbles *

What, what? Am I supposed to just give up?
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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:51 AM
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Reading comprehension fail on my part.

I'd go with my gut instinct & intuition... It never fails.
That and I can read microexpressions and body language like nobody's business!

edit on 27-4-2012 by EyesWideShut because: (no reason given)



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by alfa1

Originally posted by Tadeusz
1. Alice tells you that 2 + 2 = 4.
2. Bob tells you that 2 + 2 = 4.
3. Alice tells you that today is a Tuesday.
4. Bob tells you that today is a Tuesday.



I'd trust them half the time.
Like all humans, sometimes they makes honest mistakes, such as in this example.
Today is a Friday.



Originally posted by Tadeusz
Assume you have no contact with the outside world, and have not had contact for an unknown period of time.




posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:52 AM
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Originally posted by Tadeusz
The OP is waiting for someone slightly more... intelligent to respond.

What, what? Should I give up?



Well the OP should post a more intellectual observation/question then.



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:55 AM
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Originally posted by Tadeusz
The OP is waiting for someone slightly more... intelligent to respond.

What, what? Should I give up?


I apologize for wearing my party hat. On a more serious note. The trust I would show in either Alice or Bob, would naturally be proportionate to the trust I had in myself to make a value judgement. The degree of self trust would be contingent on current environmental influences.

Des



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Destinyone

Originally posted by Tadeusz
The OP is waiting for someone slightly more... intelligent to respond.

What, what? Should I give up?


I apologize for wearing my party hat. On a more serious note. The trust I would show in either Alice or Bob, would naturally be proportionate to the trust I had in myself to make a value judgement. The degree of self trust would be contingent on current environmental influences.

Des


But yet the OP gives no environmental influences, so should we assume them?



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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This reminds me of an old logic puzzle involving one who always lies and one who always tells the truth. The way to determine who is lying is by asking both an abstract question. "Are you a parrot?" The liar will say yes.



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