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Christian Group Objects to Film With Gay Jesus

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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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If your faith is shaken and undermined by something as trivial as a movie (that you are not even required to view) then you are already doubting the validity of your belief.


I didn't notice, not sure what you mean by shaken.


The thread itself is ample enough proof all on it's own.
Defensive responses to a simple observation are another.
Who is it that the "defenders of the faith" need to convince if not themselves ?




posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 09:43 PM
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Who is it that the "defenders of the faith" need to convince if not themselves ?


Personally I didn't notice anyone struggling with their faith, over this issue, however I see your point.

Faith, hope, belief,faith is the substance of things hoped for.

I don't have the desire to convince anyone of anything, but I understand how some of the faith-full would be offended,

Now violence is not the answer we all can agree, but it is neither fair to expect Christians to not react.

The problem is people don't realize Christians are not, Christ,

I am not ashamed to admit I struggle.


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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by gps777

Originally posted by Noncompatible
Judging by the majority of responses in this thread from believers. I'd say the question that needs to be asked is

"How strong is your belief?"

If your faith is shaken and undermined by something as trivial as a movie (that you are not even required to view) then you are already doubting the validity of your belief.





Who`s faith was shaken and undermined by a stupid filthy movie lmao,threads and posts getting slammed by non believers such as this only strengthens.I saw not one persons faith shaken.Your eye`s see what they want.

Since the only stated fact is the figure of jesus is potrayed as being homosexual. I fail to understand the need to call it stupid and filthy ? It may in fact be well crafted and tender (not my cup of tea, but who am I to judge others)



Do you really honestly think that a person who may watch South Park and see something disgusting depicted that they are going to say,oh crap I`ve been wrong all along? or that its just more par for the coarse of society getting more corrupted and many people call that progress.


Cannot really comment as I do not watch South park. Before judging the the course of society, take a look at what forms such courses are taking.:
Lower educational standards and generally a disregard and a dismal opinion of critical thinking and scientific research.


Of coarse the vality of Christ and God will be attacked and mocked,what more can people do other than attack those that believe or put effort into stunting anyone else from believing such as this thread has demonstrated along with countless others.Thats their MO some realise that some don`t have a clue.


Doubting the validity of christ and god is not an attack on your belief system, it is a viewpoint that differs from your own. I ask again is your faith so weak that a different viewpoint can only ever be an "attack?"


Christians do not own or run the world,their goal is the next.When Jesus was tempted He was offered the world by the dude that runs it,not by God.If you can not see that look out your window or turn on your tv to see who runs it.

Mankinds' society is run by mankind. Some of us realize that the world is what we make it and prefer not to attribute blame to mythological bogeymen.


Then when these things are pointed out,there are screams of deluded whingers your the cause of all the trouble!

But along the way someone may hear and see.


All that has been pointed out is an interpretation that is different to your own. One that apparently shakes you to the core of your belief. Shame on you for being so weak. As if the Jesus of your bible would care.

I am old enough to remember the furor over The Life of Brian, many of the same arguments were used then.
the world turned, life went on and nobody was struck down by a vengeful deity.
The "poor little christians attacked from all quarters" spiel is old and tired. Live, love, believe (or not) but quit the false outrage, it ain't fooling anyone but you.
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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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It is all about respect.

So tell me, why do you think they chose a homosexual Jesus?
There is no other way to convey their message?

We know they want to be accepted, now that can go both ways when you think about it, are they trying to convince themselves as well?

Obviously many gays struggle with it.

"Who is it that they need to convince if not themselves."

You cannot force people to accept a lifestyle, just like you can't force people to accept Christianity.




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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 10:34 PM
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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
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It is all about respect.

So tell me, why do you think they chose a homosexual Jesus?
There is no other way to convey their message?

We know they want to be accepted, now that can go both ways when you think about it, are they trying to convince themselves as well?

Obviously many gays struggle with it.

"Who is it that they need to convince if not themselves."

You cannot force people to accept a lifestyle, just like you can't force people to accept Christianity.




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Respect?
Very little of that around. What makes the figure of Jesus deserve more respect than any other religious icon ?

Are you outraged when people display the face of Mohammed ?
Do you find Vishnu funny looking ?

Maybe to illustrate that attitudes toward sexuality has little to do with faith and everything to do with ignorant hatred of anyone different ?

Convince themselves ? Possibly, but i am thinking it takes resolve to produce something that only a total dullard would NOT expect an uproar from mainstream/conventional society to ensue.

The only reason anyone struggles with their sexuality is because someone(s) told them it was unnatural /a sin/ immoral /they would go to hell.

Force to accept a lifestyle ? Being homosexual isn't a lifestyle. It is not a choice, it simply is who you are.

Talk to Rick Santorum and ilk for pointers (for our american readers) on ramming Christianity (and its "values") into your lifestyle.

Maybe if they had simply went with Jesus being arabic or black they could have generated even more publicity.

Finally as Ricky Gervais said 'If God hates homosexuals so much. Why did he create them?"



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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Why would you make such a thing other than to antagonize? When Jesus clearly was not Gay?



posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 11:05 PM
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Originally posted by Noncompatible
I ask again is your faith so weak that a different viewpoint can only ever be an "attack?"





The "poor little christians attacked from all quarters" spiel is old and tired. Live, love, believe (or not) but quit the false outrage, it ain't fooling anyone but you.


This is whats called a contradition.

Which attack is it that you really mean toward me,either my faith is so weak or that I should quit the false outrage?



Since the only stated fact is the figure of jesus is potrayed as being homosexual. I fail to understand the need to call it stupid and filthy ? It may in fact be well crafted and tender (not my cup of tea, but who am I to judge others)

Yet you judge me in either being weak or false and see nothing wrong with the OP or anyone else that has attacked.


Doubting the validity of christ and god is not an attack on your belief system, it is a viewpoint that differs from your own. I ask again is your faith so weak that a different viewpoint can only ever be an "attack?"

Many people do,some actually do it respectfully.There have been a few in this thread.



.All that has been pointed out is an interpretation that is different to your own. One that apparently shakes you to the core of your belief. Shame on you for being so weak. As if the Jesus of your bible would care.


Like you said but who are you to judge,you still do though and sorry you`ve got it wrong.







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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 11:55 PM
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nahhh, I think you are a troll also. You yourself feel your posts are going to be removed.
You get my vote for troll of this thread



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:39 AM
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Well, from a logical standpoint I can't say I know of any reason why he couldn't have been. I'm not a Christian, but I think the historical figure (as opposed to the mythological one) married Mary Magdeline (again, historical not mythological) and while that doesn't automatically exclude him from homosexuality, it seems to at least make it less likely? He could have been bisexual or pansexual for all I know!

It would be pretty easy to say that the play was created just to piss people off, but maybe the creators just had a wild idea and decided to risk the backlash it would get? It does seem a case of don't like, don't watch though. But neither side of the Christian-NonChristian debate has ever exactly been calm about such things, so I'm chalking it up to that flaring up again.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 12:56 AM
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Haters will hate, but the message of Jesus is for EVERYBODY. I read the bible cover to cover - and can only imagine the names they called Jesus. Like what was done to me in 4th grade... the kids called me "fairy" even though I didn't have a clue what that was.

So I say tough on the "Christian" group, they're not really christian are they.


BTW, I'm not Gay either... but don't mind a bit of penis in porn.

Love ya Jesus!
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Originally posted by samsamm9
I think it is a shame to use freedom of expression in this manner.
By knowing you will offend a great deal of people, I say you should find a different way on how
you express your views.
We all are in this together, we should all respect one another.

Taking Offense IS OFFENSIVE. Quote me on that - I invented the phrase. The best reference to it I know is the V for Vendetta speach about the meaning and value of words... including strong words for the sake of expressing IDEAS. Otherwise - pharassees control the sharing of ideas by controlling the conversations, and even the very use of WORDS. "Words are


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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Shadow Herder
Is it ok to show Obama as a pedophile in a movie or the queen as a young prostitute in a period peace?

Sounds like a troll made the film.lol





posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by alienreality
Films and propaganda like this are all part of the gay agenda to promote their perversion onto society... it's been ongoing for a long time.. There is no going lower than this though... the militant gay community is desperate to have the world accept everything they represent as normal and moral, but it isn't ever going to happen, even after repeated attempts at perverting the children in every country using absolutely foul and vile school curriculum, they are still in the tiny minority, but always attempt to paint themselves to appear as a growing majority of the population..

People are against this even without being Christian, but the gay community also tries to make everyone against them out to be Christians only, because of so much anti Christian rhetoric being popularized in every type of propaganda medium..

Making a film saying Christ is gay is the last straw which will destroy those who made it happen... Those who have contributed to this film, and those who will offer support for it, have no personal integrity, nor honor, nor respect for anything or anyone except their own desire to force their lifestyle choices on the whole of the human race and get everyone rolling their way. pathetic


You lost me at 4th grade. If it weren't for the anti-gay bullying and hate in the schools - applied to kids too young to even be sexual (as I was in 4th grade)... I could consider your POV on face value. But instead I've been on the bully side of that - and its worse.

Instead of thinking the bible condemns homosexuals, my POV is that its more against "sex-questing" while not saying anything about a persons sexual-preference. Its possible to interpret some of what Pharassee minded Paul wrote as suggesting that sex-questing may lead to homosexuality... but that just seems like more of his crazyness in my POV. Its JESUS who knows the heart and if you believe the words attributed to Jesus then its JESUS who decides who goes to heaven and who doesn't.

If you think the bible is about how to engineer a perfect society in the name of God - well I for one find it abhorent to think you'd legislate morality and achieve it that way. Rather, a freedom FROM religion as written in the devinely inspired constitution of the USA while also including freedom of speech, guns, and things... allows a truth seeker to find the truth.
For those who loved not the truth could not be saved. 2 thess 2:10



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:16 AM
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yes.. well..

99% of those that are non-christian use a microscope when it comes to someone who is a christian and looks for every flaw.. when they find one.. it's ..."and YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN!?" .. the reason why this is, is because most human beings KNOW that the part of the tag/label comes from a man who, to this day was spotless in his character.....even the Romans said .."I find no fault in this man!"

So, when people ask, "So your a Christian and your gay?" the very term is planted in the minds of most civilized people and the world knows that a Christian is a goody goody........and we should be!

and yes.. it's about respect.......it's about respecting your morals in a world where there is none!...when Christians state.. 'oh I'm Christian and I"m gay.. .. "

NO .. what your saying IS.. "I'm a follower of Christ and I have a problem with a sexual sin in my life"

Gay and lesbian is nothing more than a lust of the flesh no more than a drug addiction is.. period & need to cultivate that relationship with the one that called them.....the one that spoke to them that day they made the choice to give up their former life and follow him.

Change your way or change your name....I know i had to and met plenty of others in the same boat. Sorry but you can't have both.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:24 AM
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Originally posted by Komodo
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yes.. well..

99% of those that are non-christian use a microscope when it comes to someone who is a christian and looks for every flaw.. when they find one.. it's ..."and YOU CALL YOURSELF A CHRISTIAN!?" .. the reason why this is, is because most human beings KNOW that the part of the tag/label comes from a man who, to this day was spotless in his character.....even the Romans said .."I find no fault in this man!"

So, when people ask, "So your a Christian and your gay?" the very term is planted in the minds of most civilized people and the world knows that a Christian is a goody goody........and we should be!

and yes.. it's about respect.......it's about respecting your morals in a world where there is none!...when Christians state.. 'oh I'm Christian and I"m gay.. .. "

NO .. what your saying IS.. "I'm a follower of Christ and I have a problem with a sexual sin in my life"

Gay and lesbian is nothing more than a lust of the flesh no more than a drug addiction is.. period & need to cultivate that relationship with the one that called them.....the one that spoke to them that day they made the choice to give up their former life and follow him.

Change your way or change your name....I know i had to and met plenty of others in the same boat. Sorry but you can't have both.


That's pretty judgmental of you to call gay people sinners. If it were a person questing for sex with anything that moves it might fit your description. But i find it arrogant of you to apply that idea to someone who's honestly gay in their brain. And if God can allow into creation hermaphrodites, who are you to say god can't allow for truly gay-brained people to exist. It exists in the animal kingdom too.

Thus you're post is highly judgmental and when stated in the presence of children leads directly to the type of bullying I experienced as a child. Thus it makes me angry to hear your HATE... and that's what it is... sugar coated hate while misrepresenting God himself. FALSE TEACHING. Go look in the mirror - and no not at your face either. hold it low.


Oh and that assumptions about "Drug addiction" is similar. 1/2 the USA uses prescriptions. Add coffee, booze, and tobacco you're prolly in the 90s... and the prohibited stuff - nearly everybody is "on something". Are they addicted? Can I skip my coffee??? (yea no problem)... But do you really want to call the most prevalent of the drug users (prescription OPIODS) drug addicts? Most of the so-called "drugs" were originally sought after by shawment questing to get closer to God. And I personally like tobacco for that purpose, a few times/year.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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Although I think the film is done in a filthy manner,....Jesus having Sex w/ his Apostles...come on!!!!! They're doing it on purpose in my opinion because negative feed-back is feed- back Non- the- less....disgusting of them....

Butt....they have the right and the choice afforded them by Jesus his-self.

I just hope to God it has warnings all over it. This is just 1 of the many problems w/ society....sic ass- holes that put garbage out like this...and the doo- gooders that want to force us into the doo- gooders club where as they force you to live as they live and try to make Laws for us to follow their DiCKtatership. Mind your own flipping bussiness and just make sure this piece of crap film has the right ratings on it!



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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Originally posted by tracehd1
Although I think the film is done in a filthy manner,....Jesus having Sex w/ his Apostles...come on!!!!! They're doing it on purpose in my opinion because negative feed-back is feed- back Non- the- less....disgusting of them....

Butt....they have the right and the choice afforded them by Jesus his-self.

I just hope to God it has warnings all over it. This is just 1 of the many problems w/ society....sic ass- holes that put garbage out like this...and the doo- gooders that want to force us into the doo- gooders club where as they force you to live as they live and try to make Laws for us to follow their DiCKtatership. Mind your own flipping bussiness and just make sure this piece of crap film has the right ratings on it!


Warnings, etc I think are a good thing. Especially VOLUNTARY ONES. But in the context of condemnation of the film and/or the INTERPRETATION which an artist did with SERIOUS work... this phrase comes to mind:

Matthew|25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

as does this song:



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:40 AM
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Jesus wasn’t gay
According to David Icke Jesus didn’t exist

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:43 AM
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Originally posted by redneck13
Jesus wasn’t gay
According to David Icke Jesus didn’t exist

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Regardless of the truth/fiction of the bible... Jesus is my ultimate hero. He restored hope to humanity after a very long history of the struggle of Good V Evil. So regarless if there actually was a "Jesus", or a "divincci code scenario"... Jesus WONE THE GAME... Just like Johnathan E!




posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:54 AM
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Well...I think the only right you have is to dis-agree w/ this poster...but you can't force them to go against the Bible. I'm afraid to break this to you..although God does love Gays...he also loves Murderers. He does not love the sin though. God made it very very clear that no- man shall lay down with another man. It's Sin....according to the word of the lord...


Lev. 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1 
Lev. 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" 
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God." 
Rom. 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."

I know I'm not saying anything that hasn't been pointed out before....but...it's simply true. You do have freedom of choice...but it does come w/ a price. No twisting of the words can make the truth bend to fit your needs.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 01:58 AM
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So..

Is that Obama Hitler in your avatar?
Just sayin'




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