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Originally posted by pasiphae
i swear.... this whole forum has turned into a climate change bashing forum and it USED to be a place where we could talk about it. there's no discussion now. it's "climate change is a hoax" and anyone that doesn't think that way gets called names.
the OP links do not disprove that climate change is partly due to human selfishness. it's just NOT a black and white issue. it's complicated and it can't be proved or disproved with one or two happenings.
Originally posted by stanguilles7
Sorry to ruin your party, but nothing in this report is refuting 'climate change'. You should read it. It's saying that warmer winds are helping move warmer water to the edge of glaciers.
Here's some of the parts from the NASA site the OP seems to have forgotten to include, as well as a link to the actual article:
An international team of scientists used a combination of satellite measurements and models to differentiate between the two known causes of melting ice shelves: warm ocean currents thawing the underbelly of the floating extensions of ice sheets and warm air melting them from above.
"This study demonstrates the urgent need for ICESat-2 to get into space," said Jay Zwally, ICESat project scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "We have limited information on the changes in polar regions caused by climate change. Nothing can look at these changes like satellite measurements do."
www.nasa.gov...
edit on 26-4-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Doalrite
Originally posted by stanguilles7
Originally posted by snarky412
Long after we're gone, the Earth will still be here waiting for the next inhabitants to make a go at it. Hopefully like in about a million years from now. HA!!
So you despise humanity?
You hate people?
I do.. we are a sick despicable race... if we were spartans maybe we would have honor and respect and evolve into something awesome... however we kill our best and brightest and the weak and corrupt are the ones that breed and run the countries... we are living in the dark ages... the golden age will come when we fix this system.. and fixing it would involve culture change.. which will never happen without great castrophy and deathedit on 26-4-2012 by Doalrite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by LDragonFire
Originally posted by timetothink
I can't wait to see how this gets blamed on humans....
I can't wait to see how its blamed on Obama and liberals
Originally posted by pasiphae
i swear.... this whole forum has turned into a climate change bashing forum and it USED to be a place where we could talk about it. there's no discussion now. it's "climate change is a hoax" and anyone that doesn't think that way gets called names.
the OP links do not disprove that climate change is partly due to human selfishness. it's just NOT a black and white issue. it's complicated and it can't be proved or disproved with one or two happenings.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by pasiphae
i swear.... this whole forum has turned into a climate change bashing forum and it USED to be a place where we could talk about it. there's no discussion now. it's "climate change is a hoax" and anyone that doesn't think that way gets called names.
the OP links do not disprove that climate change is partly due to human selfishness. it's just NOT a black and white issue. it's complicated and it can't be proved or disproved with one or two happenings.
You swear?... so now that is all the proof you need?... BTW, learn the difference between Climate Change and Anthropogenic Global Warming... One is natural and happens all the time, the other is a hoax and has been proven time and again. This proof is just another nail in the coffin.
Some years back in this forum I proved that there are about 20,000+ underwater volcanoes that we know about, a lot more than there are on land and which is why people can't readily see how magmatic and volcanic activity has been increasing. There are about 1,500 volcanoes on land by comparison.
edit on 27-4-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by snarky412
Thank you, I can't believe how this has turned into a climate change issue. The subject of the article is about the discovery of volcanoes but the discussion has gone way off track. I don't know why that has to happen. Very frustrating to say the least.....one poster had the audacity to claim that I hate and despise people. Can you believe that?! Stupid, stupid, stupid.....
Originally posted by stanguilles7
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Furthermore, the article in no way says this refutes AGW/climate change. It, in fact, supports it.
Again, sorry to pee on your party, but them's the facts.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
BTW, use your head a bit and try to think what could be warming the oceans, and glaciers from underneath?... That's what the satellite is showing...
The researchers concluded that 20 of the 54 ice shelves studied are being melted by warm ocean currents. Most of these are in West Antarctica, where inland glaciers flowing down to the coast and feeding into these thinning ice shelves have accelerated, draining more ice into the sea and contributing to sea-level rise. This ocean-driven thinning is responsible for the most widespread and rapid ice losses in West Antarctica, and for the majority of Antarctic ice sheet loss during the study period...
"This study demonstrates the urgent need for ICESat-2 to get into space," said Jay Zwally, ICESat project scientist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "We have limited information on the changes in polar regions caused by climate change. Nothing can look at these changes like satellite measurements do."
The new research also links the observed increase in melting that occurs on the underside of a glacier or ice shelf, called basal melt, and glacier acceleration with changes in wind patterns.
"Studies have shown Antarctic winds have changed because of changes in climate," Pritchard said. "This has affected the strength and direction of ocean currents. As a result warm water is funnelled beneath the floating ice. These studies and our new results suggest Antarctica's glaciers are responding rapidly to a changing climate."
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
This article shows that the melting has been occurring because underwater volcanoes are warming the ocean and this in turn has been melting the glaciers.
Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by snarky412
I'm not sure why you are mentioning volcanoes. The original article says nothing about them
Warm Ocean Currents Cause Majority of Ice Loss from Antarctica
www.nasa.gov...
Furthermore, the article in no way says this refutes AGW/climate change. It, in fact, supports it.
Again, sorry to pee on your party, but them's the facts.
“Underwater volcanism is also sublimating portions of the Antarctica ice mass from underneath. In 2004, a research team led by Eugene Domack, aboard the research vessel Lawrence M. Gould, made a remarkable discovery of a massive underwater volcano off the coast of Antarctica using a deep water submersible vehicle equipped with a cadre of sensors and video cameras. The volcano was 2300 feet (700 meters) tall. The British team findings confirmed the volcano was still active and was contributing to the melting of the ice sheet from beneath the Antarctica land mass
The volcano was 2300 feet (700 meters) tall. The British team findings confirmed the volcano was still active and was contributing to the melting of the ice sheet from beneath the Antarctica land mass
I have to admit, it's pretty cool !! I just wish it wouldn't take to long before they know any thing. Also, I do believe in Climate Change but not Global Warming. To me, there's a difference. Actually I think they are kinda toning down on that global warming crap since those e-mails were released a couple of years ago. Bad publicity for the ones pushing that agenda. Now it's being referred to as Climate Change which is more like it.
Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
Originally posted by snarky412
Thank you, I can't believe how this has turned into a climate change issue. The subject of the article is about the discovery of volcanoes but the discussion has gone way off track. I don't know why that has to happen. Very frustrating to say the least.....one poster had the audacity to claim that I hate and despise people. Can you believe that?! Stupid, stupid, stupid.....
But you see it does have to do with Climate Change, since the melting of these glaciers has been blamed FOR YEARS by a certain crowd on Anthropogenic Global Warming, which means it was blamed on mankind...
This article shows that the melting has been occurring because underwater volcanoes are warming the ocean and this in turn has been melting the glaciers.
I have been arguing this exact point for years in this forum yet no one, at least in the AGW camp, wanted to even consider the possibility yet here we are. Now NASA says it is happening, and btw they are not going to say right out that all the melting is caused by volcanoes since they want to at least partially blame mankind no matter what.
The truth is that we are at a turning point. Climate Change will continue happening, and Climate Change is a natural occurrence. There is nothing we can do except adapt to it, and people will have to migrate to new areas just as humans have been doing for tens of thousands of years if not more.
The historical record, and even the geological record shows that entire civilizations in the past collapsed completely because of Climate Change.
There are records of floods which occurred in places like Egypt that hasn't been surpassed yet but it will most certainly occur again.
In other areas civilizations had to migrate to new areas because of drought which caused famines which we haven't seen yet in these modern times.
Unfortunately this will happen again and mankind has NOTHING to do with it.
edit on 28-4-2012 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by stanguilles7
reply to post by snarky412
The quote you reference about underwater volcanoes is not from he NASA article.
You have taken a video from NASA's article entitled: "Warm Ocean Currents Cause Majority of Ice Loss from Antarctica" and attached it to a totally different article (which you didnt source) about underwater volcanoes.
The OP and subsequent posts contain NO LINK to a source article.
So, you intentionally distorted information.
edit on 28-4-2012 by stanguilles7 because: (no reason given)