"The Secret Meeting that Changed Hip-hop and Destroyed a Generation"

Originally posted by BrittanyLea
When I was 13 or 14, half the guys I knew were bleaching their hair, and I was just another "Little Erica" from "White America"

Rap has had a major influence, but all music has. I'm not really subscribing to this theory.

edit on 27-4-2012 by BrittanyLea because: (no reason given)

Me neither...

Originally posted by Frankenchrist

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
Frankenchrist:: heres for you you SeXIE beast


NOW IF YOU NOOOBS PAY ATTENTION

The only reason i mention guns or violence in my rap song here is because its needed to finnish my metaphore
only a real artist can understand all my metaphores most of you junkies are gonna listen to this and not see anything even though its full of messages

edit on 27-4-2012 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)

Not bad brother, not bad at all.

You kinda remind me of a a dude named Stryk9.

if you liked that, you'd like my new one i've been working on, this little piece of work has earned me free studio time which means i'm close to making it if you guys didn't know

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
reply to post by Frankenchrist

 

is that his youtube account? like to check him out

Heres the guy

STRYK9

secret meeting or false claim it is obvious that rap has been used by the same white power structures to stereotype and disenfranchise black and urban youth. so why wouldnt it take another leap and be a head of the same beast. it is easy to discredit the claims in the op because like others have said crack was instituted as a weapon of quiet war before the perceived explosion of "rap"; only a fool would pass the chance to play the piper to their own agenda. the reality is that these type of attacks will not cease as their is a perceived weakness in american black culture that is always fitting for exploitation by the same groups who act even now to disenfranchise peoples ambitions regarding self intent and desires.

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd

Originally posted by Frankenchrist

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
Frankenchrist:: heres for you you SeXIE beast


NOW IF YOU NOOOBS PAY ATTENTION

The only reason i mention guns or violence in my rap song here is because its needed to finnish my metaphore
only a real artist can understand all my metaphores most of you junkies are gonna listen to this and not see anything even though its full of messages

edit on 27-4-2012 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)

Not bad brother, not bad at all.

You kinda remind me of a a dude named Stryk9.

if you liked that, you'd like my new one i've been working on, this little piece of work has earned me free studio time

which means i'm close to making it if you guys didn't know

Word!

I do a little producing myself.

Been a little busy in the real world, real job.

Man I miss working with MCs.

Originally posted by XXX777
Hip Hoppers are the Mayans of the future. Everybody will think they were so intelligent and yet they will be extinct. Ha ha ha ha! Fools of many colors!!! Jump around, get emotional, slap your women, make babies, get checks, sell drugs to your neighbors, kill your race, kill your race, kill yourself. Pathetic.

See "Deny ignorance" at the top of this website?

I think you're in the wrong place.

Its common knowledge in the music industry that by the 90's something drastic had happened to Hip Hip and Rap:

By the late 90’s, it became very clear to record labels that there was a ton of money to be made from Rap music; particularly rap music of the violent, misogynistic, materialistic variety. In hindsight, the late 90’s is the moment where rap music was poised to assert itself as the most popular genre of music in America. Black music was once again about to go Pop, and violent, materialistic, capitalistic Hip Hop would be its weapon of choice.

Lauryn Hill went on to further change the face music later on

Study finds: gpi.sagepub.com...

I am not at all surprised at this information. However, the direct link to the prison industry is a revelation for me.

I grew up in NY during the blooming of the rap phenomenon. I could go to the next town and see LL Cool J hanging out on Jamaica Avenue. DMC from Run-DMC would spend time in the neighborhood. The Fat Boys were often seen at the local mall.

I had a number of friends and acquaintances who wanted to do positive rap, but the word came down -- at about the noted time period -- that producers were no longer interested in good messages. Virtually everything from that point had to be about gangsta activities, etc.

That's why I get annoyed when I hear young black males being criticized as the primary 'pushers' of gangsta rap. As a whole, they were absolutely not in control of the industry and its message, the aforementioned producers were.

Not to say that they're blameless. Many went right along with the gangsta rap flow, but that would have been counterbalanced by positive and fun rap messages, had the latter styles been allowed to continue to be heard.

This is something I have always suspected.
I see kids walking like they do, talking like they do, wearing the same clothes, having the same morals and values, and you can see that these guys have been copied and pasted from MTV.
When I was a kid me and my friends went through a brief phase between the ages of 13 and 15.
Eminem had just hit the scene, and dr dre had just brought out Chronic 2001.
Our attitudes changed for the worst, we became obnoxious brats. The change in our behaviour when we started listening to this stuff was quite drastic.
I'm not saying this happens to everyone and I still appreciate their music, but they were heavily influential in a bad way, and I see kids around me today doing the same thing.
Many of the tracks in hip hop glamourised drug taking to the point that we decided to smoke pot at 14 because we wanted to see if it was as good as they said it was, stealing alcohol off our parents and starting smoking.
I can honestly say that this was due to the music we started listening to, and we wouldnt have done this at such a young age if it wasnt for that.
Young minds are fragile and very easily influenced and people higher up are very aware of this.
Thankfully the hiphop fad in us disappeared by the age of 16 and so did our behaviour.

Word, me too, thats why i havn't finnished that FOOKING song yet : and i got like 5 others on the go right now, but hopefully, just hopefully i can pull togather, my buddy had a meeting with universal last week, so we'll see how that goes

I can totally and truly see the relevance in the OP. As a lover of hip hop I remember the changes made in the direction music went to during that time.

It truly became harder and harder to find groups such as X-clan/ Public Enemy/Tribe called Quest/Common Sense, and easier to find MC Ren/MC Eight/Geto Boys/ etc... and the change that the music had on people, was evident.

to act like Music and literature has NO influence is foolish. of course, the strongest influence should be family, but if the family has been systematically destroyed by poverty, abandonment, drugs or abuse, what other mediums are there?

I can't even act like I've been to prison, quite the opposite. As my avatar points(though NOT an angel, lol), to make it this long w/o even a night in jail, by the time I hit 25, seemed like an accomplishment in itself. And as a cops son, though he DIDN'T pull strings to keep my record clean, him being a father, instilled in me that I didn't want to disappoint him, by doing things that would prove embarrassing to his profession, and his teachings as a father and detrimental to my own future when I grew up.

Everything we see, touch, hear, smell, and feel has a potential positive/negative influence. thereby making this story the OP posted completely plausible.

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
Word, me too, thats why i havn't finnished that FOOKING song yet : and i got like 5 others on the go right now, but hopefully, just hopefully i can pull togather, my buddy had a meeting with universal last week, so we'll see how that goes

edit on 27-4-2012 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)

Right on man!

Congrats!

I hear you.

The MCs I was working with didnt have the passion, and I got dropped from a little indi label.

Looking at the soundclick site, I found some of my old beats that were going to be used on that album.

Check them out.


My Beats

reply to post by Frankenchrist


ahahaha sick will do, can i use one if it hits a nerve? i'll put you as the producer of course


wow dude, you actually got the name dork on soundclip, LEGIT my friend, LEGIT,

Drunk girl is very dark... same with beat12... i'd be going sublime illuminati / mason on these 2 beats

i dont even know where to start with secret9. i dont know how i'd write to it, still can't figure it out, but i can tell you it would of been a KILLER for goldeneye 64 soundtrack,

yeah your beats got a really dark side to them

Wasn't it about this time that the Beastie Boys moved their style out of rap?

Run DMC last album was 1993

Well this wouldn't surprise me. Rap is CRAP.

I use to love the hip hop of the 80s but then it just went in a direction that was vulgar and not music imo. I can't stand gangster rap. It is not music! It's amazing how these rappers are glorified yet they are just thugs in fancy clothing and lots of cash to throw around. The music doesn't even have meaning other than "getting hoes and making it rain or thug life." Yea because "Thug Life" is a path I want my child to strive for.


This is an interesting article, if true. It would explain rap and a few other things which again is creepy when you think about it.


S&F

Originally posted by WanderingThe3rd
reply to post by Frankenchrist

 

ahahaha sick will do, can i use one if it hits a nerve? i'll put you as the producer of course


wow dude, you actually got the name dork on soundclip, LEGIT my friend, LEGIT,

Drunk girl is very dark... same with beat12... i'd be going sublime illuminati / mason on these 2 beats

i dont even know where to start with secret9. i dont know how i'd write to it, still can't figure it out, but i can tell you it would of been a KILLER for goldeneye 64 soundtrack,

yeah your beats got a really dark side to them

edit on 27-4-2012 by WanderingThe3rd because: (no reason given)

Yeah, man Stoopid Dork was my battle name. They never saw it coming from a dude with that title.

But I produced under the name of Tony Cutlass (aka Music to Watch Porn By) and Opiated

Had a little following in the old myspace days. Lol!

You bet. USE THEM

I think you would sound dope on the last track.

reply to post by Frankenchrist


Im not use to indie, some of these beats really trip me out lol, im more a dirty south kinda guy.

yeah i'm going to try, i wanna try writing to a couple of yours, tottaly different style then i'm use too, i'm gonna spend today doing that, to be honest, for some reason i can see some country guy killing these beats even though they kinda strike me as dark indie

nice i can find you on google by typing soundclick dork, nice and easy

reply to post by holywar666


i dont get why anyone who is creative and knows ho to market to masses, like marshall, has to be set up to get big by smarter people? Isnt it possible that some people are smart and get big on their own? I mean, not everything is a conspiracy, and if it is, not everyone is in on it. Eminem was more likely to be smart, skilled, and wanted it, then helped by a bunch of rich elites.

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


I can name ten rappers off hand that are creative/artistic rappers. So using the phrase "never get signed" is completely fictional, if they sound like they'll make money, they'll get signed.

Rappers would be dumb enough to do sell themselves out like that.