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"The Secret Meeting that Changed Hip-hop and Destroyed a Generation"

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 02:47 PM
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To me this makes complete sense regarding which direction the rap industry went in the early 90's. We went from the likes of Public enemy who rap about politics/fighting the power, Gangstarr who only raps about positiveness, KRS one and many more influential artist that rapped about feeling good, messing about, political influence in culture that rapidly got chucked out of the media limelight to make way for the more violent gangster rappers such as N.W.A, Ice-T, Snoop Dogg etc who rapped about guns, violence, mistreating women/other people and generally very negative aspects of society.

Like the writer said, the music reinforces peoples prejudice of minorities, and had a greater impact due to how limited our access to our own media was, it was only radio, tv and cassettes back then - Now we can find our own entertainment via the net and we dont have to just settle with one type of recycled genre like they did back then.

We can see that that its still full of glorification of criminal behavior, been a boss man , getting money how ever etc. We have zero influential rappers or urban youth artist that make you stop and think that somethings wrong, all these artist out now tell you to spend all your money on #e, sleep with everybody and not care, blow you money because YOLO..yes, i said it, YOLO - You.Only.Live.One...What a sht fkin moto, the way they twist you only live once into meaning you should blow everything you have and not give a fck makes the vein in my head rage out and fkin strangle on the person who spouted it.

Am I the only person here who sees that commercial music (bar a few like Jessy J) has completely gone to #, and is no longer about music which bonds with the listener and actually meant something, other than the now usual garbage thats spouted along the lines of " I dont care. Money. Me me me"? Its like, now wait... in fact, the music we have now is not music, its advertising, social advertising which you have no idea your been a victim to because were are subliminally been told to not give a # about anything.



Thank you soooooooooooooooooooo much for sharing this with me, I'll leave you with a quote from one of my fave raps that seems appropriate for this thread:



Sorry kids, let me apologise before I go further,
Unfortunately, I don't rap about how many man I've murdered,
And you may find it boring, appauling, and I ain't scoring,
Black's from your little rap packs for just stating facts,
Like not ability to kill a man lyrically,
Just thought killing shouldn't be glorified, silly me,
Apparently, murdering man has become an aspiration,
But what would happen if we reversed the situation?
If Black rappers claiming they clap a black in the face,
Talked about killing white people as much, would they still get embraced?
Or would you find the applauding would quickly turn to appauling,
You've got no career by the next morning,
I ain't saying you should do that,
True that would be just as dumb,
Just point out how absurd that it has become,
If a Chinese rapper were to say "die chink, die..." Everybody would be like... "what is wrong with this guy?" But some of us have become so accustomed, To just behave disgusting, We think it's just our behaviour, and it ain't worth discussing, Or worse yet; that it's cultural expression, But who owns Beretta? And who owns Smith And Wesson?
Who owns the car you're driving that you thinks defining who you are,
Running from yourself you find there's no hiding...
So, boast about your Prada and your Christian Dior,
Still security will follow you when you're in the store,
You could boast about your platinum chains,
And your diamond rings,
Whilst kids in Sierra Leone keep on losing limbs...
Act like you've got no brain,
And you ain't got no shame,
And say "so what, I'm getting dough" but you're pawns in the game,
They're laughing at the little coons, Who really think they're goons, Real goons don't wear platinum chains, they wear ties and suits, They don't live in the States and sell flake, They invade with guns and tanks, and take your whole State, mate, So pardon me if I don't find it funny, You boast about it, but do you even know what is money? See it's hard to act dumb when you have read a couple hundred books, But still in anybody's hood so tell me who is shook? When you have been to Brazil and stood in Ferrella Streets, Next to kids holding hand grenades and M-16's... When you come back to London it ain't serious, The ghetto's in our head; we are delirious! If you lived there in the real slum without food or running water, Where police drive by and kill sons and daughters, You would give your right arm for the chance to go to school, Instead, what do we do? The killer, the trigger, to play the fool, And I ain't saying school is the answer; educate yourself, See it's not the money you make - you are the wealth,


Akala




posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 02:50 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
Blame the fact that you are obviously spineless with no personal responsibility. Crimes I now equate with rap? I would equate it with being weakminded and a dumbass.

Wow, what a statement that you made there. Disgusting. Grow a pair and take your own responsibilty.

I've been listening to Em and Pac way longer and I didn't end up in prison, and if I did, I would not blame it on music, that is just so lame and weak


Wow, those are some pretty harsh things to say about someone. How does me going to county jail and saying rap influenced me - make me a weak minded spineless dumbass? I was a damn kid, and managed to flip my life around after. Whats your beef? Jail wasnt even all that bad, i just played poker the whole time. Bet you wouldnt last a second.

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by holywar666

Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
Blame the fact that you are obviously spineless with no personal responsibility. Crimes I now equate with rap? I would equate it with being weakminded and a dumbass.

Wow, what a statement that you made there. Disgusting. Grow a pair and take your own responsibilty.

I've been listening to Em and Pac way longer and I didn't end up in prison, and if I did, I would not blame it on music, that is just so lame and weak


Wow, those are some pretty harsh things to say about someone. How does me going to county jail and saying rap influenced me - make me a weak minded spineless dumbass? I was a damn kid, and managed to flip my life around after. Whats your beef? Jail wasnt even all that bad, i just played poker the whole time. Bet you wouldnt last a second.

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Full of yourself much? I love how everyone that goes to jail or prison thinks so highly of themselves and always talk down to others thinking they are the only one's who can make it through jail or prison. You make me laugh by showing your over inflated ego in these forums.

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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:28 PM
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Wow, those are some pretty harsh things to say about someone. How does me going to county jail and saying rap influenced me





I blame my whole 6-month sentence on Eminem and Tupac.


You can change your tune, but you can't change the words you alread wrote.

Yes, it is spineless to not take your responsibilty for your own actions.

If you went to jail for anything besides posession of drugs, I don't symphatize with you.

Sorry.




Jail wasnt even all that bad, i just played poker the whole time. Bet you wouldnt last a second.


No, I wouldn't survive a round of poker.

You clearly didn't learn a thing.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:29 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
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Jee, I wonder what Eminem is talking about there.


What might that be?

And about Bieber, off course there is an evil marketing machine behind him, but every young girl in the world watched his vids, but in other age groups not everyone likes Eminem, or rap in the first place, and there are way more artists in that genre, Bieber is the only one in his genre.
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Eminem is trying to fight against the 'illuminati' and break free from the music industry. At least that's what I believe.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:31 PM
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Before I even read it I was already thinking "that secret meeting in the mid-90s!" I remember hearing about a secret meeting between leaders in the music industry (involving popular music) taking place in the mid-90s (1993-ish.) They discussed taking the power back from the artists, since the 80s and early 90s the artists had creative control. I felt the difference in the music myself between '95-'97. A lot of music changed from being more natural, intuitive and artsy to lame (more produced.) Some artists kept creative control (like REM and Radiohead) but many didn't. All these years since I've been waiting to learn more about this!

I'm not one to believe in an anonymous story like this, but I believe this one. It fits with things I already know, including the usage of Satanic symbolism in popular music videos (believe it or not, this really does happen.) There is a criminal element here in Canada, like in the States (and around the world) that penetrates every industry, behind the scenes. It's what ignites all these conspiracy theories that we hear about. You can see it happening if you just pay attention.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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I agree with the breaking free from the music industry part.
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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My parents didnt teach me as a kid to go to jail. I had no idea about crime, how to commit one, anything like that. Where did i learn it then?


Originally posted by TheProphetMark
Eminem is trying to fight against the illuminati


What???
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posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:04 PM
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Did your parents teach you about wrong or right?

Did your friends teach you how to be a criminal maybe.

I can see how a young man can make the wrong decisions influenced by his upbringing and surroundings.

But in the end, you are responsible for you. You didn't go to juvy, right, so you were an adult.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Blaming Eminem is beyond pathetic.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:19 PM
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Originally posted by RedGoneWILD

Originally posted by holywar666
I'm 20 years old, grew up in the Bay Area and attended many freestyle battles in Oakland, even filming my friend perform. You dont have to buy anything, my life is my life. Ive been arrested multiple times for crimes that i now equate with rap. In jail, i made beats for older rappers using my hands because im very good at percussion. I met many rappers locked up and also many killers, gang members and bank robbers. I see how rap effects people. I blame my whole 6-month sentence on Eminem and Tupac. Seriously. My first rap album was The Eminem Show, and my best friend who was black, introduced me to Tupac. I never turned back.


that's funny, because...I once shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die






That,was the best line so far,in this thread !

Bravo!!



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by RandomEsotericScreenname
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Did your parents teach you about wrong or right?

Did your friends teach you how to be a criminal maybe.

I can see how a young man can make the wrong decisions influenced by his upbringing and surroundings.

But in the end, you are responsible for you. You didn't go to juvy, right, so you were an adult.

Take responsibility for your own actions.

Blaming Eminem is beyond pathetic.


Its easy to trod along in your environment when everybody else is also content. The hardest thing about been brought up in a poor area is finding the will power and been able to change the people round you who are keeping you down. Refuse to be a product of your environment, something which was the biggest task i ever taken on in my whole life. Me, compared to 8 years ago - I'm a different person 85%. What helped me do this, a small part of this, was understanding that the music i listen was not positive in any aspect and my aspirations disappeared because I was listening to crap about easy money, drugs, cars and whores which made me want to be the next tony montana.

Music i listened to made me think that I'll be earning millions rolling around in a Bentley with loads'a biches drinking 40's - Thats what I aimed for..I didnt know the reality because i wasnt getting told otherwise - The reality been that I go prison, not have a house like tony montana. the reality that i'll be wanking over girls, in prison - not sexin loads'a women.

They rap about running the road and been a boss man..No, the people who you pay your taxes to, they run the road, their the bossmen.

Its an illusion which influences you to be the worse person you can, whilst treading on other people to achieve it.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 05:09 PM
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no sources....no empirical evidence......

nice, well written story. I'll file it away under fiction.

Thanks for providing my fictional reading for the day!


Why do people continue to publish threads that have no evidence to back up their point?

Whats the point here? That there's a conspiracy in the music industry? Thanks...we know that already!!

ugh.....



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Elsha
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Why do people continue to publish threads that have no evidence to back up their point?

Whats the point here? That there's a conspiracy in the music industry? Thanks...we know that already!!

ugh.....


So that other people can discuss the point, I expect, and sometimes other people are able to bring evidence to the table. What I'd like to know is why people insist on posting inane comments in threads which they clearly aren't all that interested in - cos you know, it's real iritating to those of us who are interested (but maybe that is the point of doing it).

Anyhow, the o/p - this makes a helluva lot of sense of something which has had me somewhat puzzled - what exactly happened to music from the late nineties on? It just seemed that generally speaking, it just lost its soul, its creativity seemed to vanish. There were a few good sounds around - but they seemed to get rarer. If you wanted to listen to anything good or creative it got so you had to dig into obscure byways, into the grassroots that the industry ignored. Aside from the 'gangster rap' issue, it seems that popular(?) music generally has become like chewing tasteless chewing gum - it just goes round and round, always tastes the same and gives you no satisfaction atall. The article may have no evidence to back it up but like I said, it makes a lot of sense of how things have gone.

peace
J



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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As someone who used to work with high level executives in the music industry I think this story is not true.

The music industry especially at that level is very incestuous and gossipy. everybody knows about everyone else dirt. Word spreads literally in hours, and often to even europe too. The record industry is not capable of adhering to any major conspiracy because of it's sophomoric nature. You'd be disheartened if you found out just how immature a lot of these leaders are. they're also very selfish and would not be able to work as a whole to one particular goal or another because they would conflict with each other and end up bickering or suing each other blowing out the entire integrity of a super secret deal.

I've personally had to sign some non-disclosure deals. people sign them all the time in that industry but it's usually between a few people about a new marketing concept or something similar. But to have "Everybody" who's in charge of the record industry investing with the same group, and sign some non disclosure agmt. no it doesn't work like that. they're people. And they all have different CPAs handling their dough, and each of those CPAs do things differently. put the money in different places etc... They wouldn't be able to agree as a whole as to all invest their clients money in the same far fetch scheme.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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So far youve called me "weak minded" "spineless" "dumbass" and "pathetic". I wont explain my personal life, as you dont seem like a person i'd want to carry a conversation with in real time. But i will say that ive never seen my dad, and my mom was in the Navy so much she put me up for adoption. Story gets crazier, but again....your rude
Maybe i should start calling YOU names to even the field a bit.

As for blaming Eminem 100% for the bad things ive done, i over exaggerated. It takes more than music to pull a crime. But they sure taught me everything i needed to know. Stuff i never would have known unless i pressed play.



posted on Apr, 28 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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As for blaming Eminem 100% for the bad things ive done, i over exaggerated. It takes more than music to pull a crime. But they sure taught me everything i needed to know. Stuff i never would have known unless i pressed play.
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Ok then I apologize, this was the only reason I said those things. Like I said, I know it's hard to grow up in certain surroundings, and with a certain upbringing. I grew up in a pretty safe environment, but I could've ended up badly like the people I hung out with, and still do sometimes, and it had nothing to do with rap or any music.

I didn't because of the choices I made. I didn't mean to break you down as a person, but as long as you blame music, or any other person for your life, you are not helping yourself, I just want you to realize that.

I still don't agree that Eminem tought you to commit crimes though, I mean his songs aren't really a manual for committing crimes, how can you take that over the top stuff serious?

If the music really influenced you something already went wrong in your life before that, not putting you down, but that's how it is. And you even suggest that yourself. You have my sympathy because you didn't grow up in ideal circumstances, but wouldn't you agree that that was the root of the problems? And not the music? That's what I've been saying all along, it's society and politcs, and people blame music for it.

Anyways, I wish you nothing but the best, I mean it man.





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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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it's tyler really..
if you think videos/songs that stylise suicide (yonkers) or stalking/kidnapping (she/vcr) a chick are funny well that's your disposition...I just don't like that # myself.... Tyler needs to go out to a national park with some mind altering substances and clear all that dirt from his 3rd eye... cheer up a little.. he's a geek with massive talent.. there's worse lives to live... just sayin...

now on the other hand, while searching for the titles of those #house songs above, this one by the spin off group 'the internet' is pretty awesome..
www.youtube.com...

Peace...
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posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 01:32 AM
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As a member reluctant to sign-on to corny notions, I am however reminded of the Kids-For-Cash scandal in my county of PA.

en.wikipedia.org...


The "Kids for cash" scandal unfolded in 2008 over judicial kickbacks at the Luzerne County Court of Common Pleas in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania. Two judges, President Judge Mark Ciavarella and Senior Judge Michael Conahan, were accused of accepting money from Robert Mericle, builder of two private, for-profit juvenile facilities, in return for contracting with the facilities and imposing harsh sentences on juveniles brought before their courts in order to ensure that the detention centers would be utilized.[1]



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 02:50 AM
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What does me liking Odd Future have anything to with anything? Weak attempt at a diss.



posted on Apr, 29 2012 @ 03:00 AM
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No one has to teach you how to commit a crime. Most crimes stem from personal greed.


Jail wasnt even all that bad, i just played poker the whole time. Bet you wouldnt last a second.


Sure thing tough guy

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