I Am A Little Angry Right Now At Obama Supporters

reply to post by Blaine91555


Ah! I am glad we both agree.
I personally don't support Obama, no more than I support Romney. But I still keep in mind, they are just the face of the clock, they are not the clock mechanism.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
What's the difference between Obama and Romney supporters? They are the same damned candidate. It's not like you can say, "why don't you cheer for an alternative?" There is no alternative. This election is a sham.

Exactly the problem. They are different though in that they will approach it from a different perspective and having different goals. Would Romney be any better? No, just different.

To me the real issue is that it can at least be blocked and controlled by not allowing one Ideology to occupy seats of power for too long a time. Some have been worse than others and Obama is by far the worst in my life of political awareness spanning from JFK to now.

Some actually do have good intent and each is corrupt at a different level and willing to go to different lengths to achieve what they want. To me the progressive agenda, coming from the exact same people Obama has spent his adult life with as peers, poses the greatest risk to Freedom. Sometimes you have to choose between two evils based on which one will do the most harm and poses the greatest risk.

With Obama, I've decided that the "Anyone But Obama" idea is the most sensible and poses the least risk. Obama literally wants to take down the Constitution and rewrite it to take more control of our lives. That simple document is the only thing standing between the Freedom we have now and becoming a Socialist Dictatorship, without Free Speech or a Free Press. I'm convinced fully he is and always has been a Bill Ayers style Progressive with that single goal in mind. It took three generations for them to get him in office. The process started before his birth.

I fully get who Obama is and what he truly believes. Those like Ayers drove me away from the peace movement during the Vietnam War. I recognized them for who they really are then. Obama is too young to be one of the leaders, he is a tool they are using. The evidence is overwhelming I'm correct. It should be obvious as the only people who hide their background are those who must hide it as Obama has done.

Do I like Romney? No, but neither do I dislike him. Is he the one I'd choose? No.

Am I a crazed Birther? No, Obama was born in the US and came by his office legally. He may even be a nice man and I think many of those in government are nice people. His arrogance and narcissism though he wears on his sleeve.

Is Obama evil? No, he believes with all his heart that we are incapable of making our own decisions or controlling our own lives and wants the State to be our Parents. He believes the reason his form of government has always failed is because he and his associates were not in charge and they are smarter than the others who tried. He and those like him are functionally incapable of admitting they are wrong, even faced with the historical evidence that overwhelmingly says they are wrong.

Most voting this fall will vote not having a clue or any desire to know anything about this at this level. Many will vote based on what they think they will personally get out of it, rather than what is best for our future and their children's future. We are a selfish species.

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Ah! I am glad we both agree.
I personally don't support Obama, no more than I support Romney. But I still keep in mind, they are just the face of the clock, they are not the clock mechanism.

I think the Constitution was brilliantly written for these same reasons. As long as it stands, we have built in protection against ourselves. It's like one of those cones a Vet puts over a dog's neck for their own good. It keeps them from injuring themselves further, but at times it's uncomfortable and very inconvenient

Anyone of us rises to the levels of power we are discussing here, we would likely turn into the same people we criticize.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


I think where we may differ is I think we need diversity among our leaders. I think the greatest risk is letting any single ideology have too much control for too long.

I'm conservative leaning on governmental and financial issues, but tilt to the progressive side somewhat on social issues. I think we need a balance of both idea's.

I see Obama's losing this time as being just as important as his winning last time. Seeing the true Progressive Agenda in action is necessary to drive us back the other way. We go too far the other way, it's just as dangerous.

Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
What's the difference between Obama and Romney supporters? They are the same damned candidate. It's not like you can say, "why don't you cheer for an alternative?" There is no alternative. This election is a sham.

That is exactly what they want you to think. That way you will follow all of the other sheep in to vote for Obama again. They are no where near the same person and as this thread has alluded too, they are somewhat controlled by party lines and in that respect they are not the same. So quit listening to what they tell you and do the right thing and get that idiot out of the white house.

Well that happens every time O's popularity rises.
Popularity up/ grumpiness up/ Gas prices up

I know, we'll vote for Romney,
That'll be good for the oil comp..I mean country.

reply to post by phishyblankwaters


Uhg.. I sadly know a guy from college that was always going on about how anyone who wasn't anti-war was a baby murderer and went to a rally every single Friday to march with a local political activist group that marched from the university to downtown. He refuses to consider military action under Obama acts of war but instead "helping people". And while we are still at war with Afghanistan and sabre rattling Iran "at least we are completely out of Iraq" (which we are in fact.... not)

IMO from my own experiences most people who protest things like war do so for political reasons, not moral. (hell when was the last major anti war protest?)

It kills me when I see polls that say Obama still has 44% approval rate, who are these people? and why do they still support him?

I just have to shake my head when i see Obama 2012 stickers on cars. Im just baffled, and im thinking like, well they dont know about the # he's done & hasnt done apparently.

Originally posted by Blaine91555


On topic with Obama. You could easily assemble an hour long video of Obama lying, contradicting himself or saying one thing to one group and another to a different group. Anyone who has been following along knows for a fact that is true. So, why do people continue to support him?

As a recently disillusioned former Obama supporter, I'll tell you exactly why it's taken me and so many others so long to turn against him: this bombastic way he was attacked from the very beginning of his presidency, and even before. It's like when you hate your sister because she's always mean to you, but the moment some kid on the playground starts picking on her, you jump to her defense and get your teeth knocked out for it. It's a knee-jerk reaction brought on by what feels like unfair attacks from the right. And they played it perfectly: start with ridiculous attacks obviously based in personal feelings, like the "he didn't actually take the oath of office" BS, making him re-do it again just for everyone's TV viewing pleasure. It started out as BS, and by the time the attacks were valid, the sister-effect was complete.

You want to change the minds of more Obama supporters? Come at them with mutual respect for one another's intelligence and validity as a proud citizen of this country. Come at them with a modicum of civility and open-mindedness, and try for a second to *actually* understand where they're coming from, without the prejudgment and the assumptions of motive. Come at them with facts verifiable by mainstream reputable sources (yes, I know, lamestream and all that, but as the Mormons say, "milk before meat") and then have a rational, dispassionate discussion from a logical and philosophical angle, not attacking them or their ideas but challenging them in the kindest way you can. THAT'S how you change minds.

The reason why the left and right is so conveniently and effectively polarized right now is because we have made it acceptable to attack each other over POLITICS. We attack our fellow countrymen over issues that in the end neither of our sides have any real control over, because as has been pointed out in this thread already, there is no left and right, there's only puppets. Why do we all keep contributing to the vitriol and hate between the "sides"? You know what the only two sides that really exist are? Us (*real* people, meaning those without gobs of money and power) and Them (meaning the d*ckwad bajillionares and bajillionare-wannabes that sell out *everyone* for their singular profit). No matter which "side" you're on, you're being used by the Exact.Same.People. Don't kid yourself; attacking Obama supporters instead of engaging them is doing your patriotic part for the downfall of this nation. Same for the other "side". The hate-fest against Romney is just getting started.

Quit falling for it, kids. If Obama couldn't bring this country unity and hope, NO politician ever will. Don't attack people for wishing with all their might that it can still work; talk to them and change their minds. Bring it down a notch for America.

Well, Blaine made such great points here, I can't add anything to that. I really can't. The last page and this one are some of the clearest laid out arguments to describe the show we've been watching now for 3 years that I've seen.

I'll simply throw this out for what it's worth. Obama isn't running for re-election on what he's done, hasn't done or will do. He didn't really run that way the first time, although he played it up once he realized the full extent of his Rock Star status while a political candidate. It must have seemed like a dream come true and too hard to believe. When was the last time any came to power like that?

More to the point though, his record in Illinois speaks to how he runs and the tone of the last 3 years in the specific area of how problems are assigned blame and dealt with, or not dealt with as the case may be speak volumes to it. He runs to destroy his opponent, not raise himself. All do that to some degree, but he's made it his primary focus and tactic.

This matters and relates to those 40+ % voter ratings because I don't actually doubt them. Obama needs one thing to win by how he's playing this and going after it through November. It isn't jobs..it isn't peace..Heck, it isn't even a nation who likes him very much. All he NEEDS to win is to make Romney look worse. Just a hair worse..is just fine and all it'll take. Playing us off each other helps make that happen, but it's a toss up and a roll of the dice without it too....

Never underestimate someone's ability to make the OTHER guy look worse if that is their primary focus of effort.


I also don't see Romney as particularly better. However, where Obama has been full speed ahead and as enthusiastic by his personal philosophies as anyone possibly could Pray for in a President moving into Socialism, Romney won't be as strong a cheerleader. It won't change the destination, but it will slow the train and that's enough...for now. It seems forever, but if we can keep this dysfunctional family of a nation together until 2016, we get a fresh shot at new candidates....whoever the best may be by that time.

-Excuse the typo I had in the second paragraph. I honestly did NOT catch it and the spelling checker apparently thought it's a valid word...goof grief..anyone who caught that boo boo..my deepest apologies. Some typos are more than bad. err

reply to post by 00nunya00


I've been verbally abused where I live pretty consistently for not voting GOP. I'm probably not going to vote this year (and don't rejoice Romeny supporters, Satan himself would win this state if he ran GOP, that's just Tennessee), there's just no one to vote for. A lot of what you say is true, but it falls on deaf ears. I can't tell you how many times I've been told I'm "an enemy of this country" and other such crap. The media has framed it as one side against the other and truthfully, both sides are pushing the same agenda. I can't understand why the Bush supporters around here are so angry about Obama. He's not that different, he pursues the same foreign and economic policy. Romney will be no different.

So what is the use are getting angry at Obama supporters? What is the use in expending your energy hating Democrats? They do everything the other side does. Nothing changes. If you vote it's for own vanity.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000

I also don't see Romney as particularly better. However, where Obama has been full speed ahead and as enthusiastic by his personal philosophies as anyone possibly could Pray for in a President moving into Socialism, Romney won't be as strong a cheerleader. It won't change the destination, but it will slow the train and that's enough...for now. It seems forever, but if we can keep this dysfunctional family of a nation together until 2016, we get a fresh shot at new candidates....whoever the best may be by that time.

Ask yourself how many times this has been true in the past? Can you think of an election, in retrospect, in the last 30 years where there was a *real* choice between candidates that weren't puppets for the establishment? Also ask yourself if, in retrospect, you could have ever seen Medicare Part D coming from a president like Bush? In retrospect, Bush was an enormously stronger candidate than Romney because he was less flip-flopping, but it was Bush himself who championed one of the biggest socialistic tax-grabs this country has seen in recent memory. That came from a staunch Capitalist with a more reliable history and background than Romney-----after all, Bush just ran companies into the ground, he didn't make his fortune buying and then splicing, dicing and selling the futures of real Americans like Romney did. Do you sincerely think that Romney won't sell this country out in a heartbeat to make himself another quarter of a billion dollars? Does your gut say that he's got good intentions in running for POTUS and will bravely fend off the march of the socialist NWO like a knight in shining armor, or does it tell you that he's drooling over the presidency like a dog over a steak and will treat it the same?

If it's the latter, then good morning. It's not a beautiful day, but it can be a new one.

reply to post by 00nunya00

Well, I take your point and it's valid enough. Romney is pretty much a scumbag. No argument from me and I wasn't shy about saying that for most of this campaign to date. He's the scumbag I suppose I'm left with now that numbers pretty much make the race now.

Why still vote for Romney over Obama (unless something really changes...and we can only HOPE) Well, Romney is probably bad but I *KNOW* Obama is horrible. This is one case where the devil I know is about as bad as my thinking sees it getting..so yeah. I'll welcome the chance to see the new Devil. If Romney can do nothing more than keep things steady, stable and NOT GET WORSE I'll call HIS Presidency pretty good for warming the Seat until Rand Paul might be in a position to run.

Obama has 0 chance of keeping things the same and better is laughable to me. Sadly...crying my eyes out..laughable. It's just too far beyond what facts support to even go there. I'll sure feel bad if Romney burns us all WORSE than Obama but like Bush in 2004...Well... President Kerry would have been worse. Soooo Sooo much worse. Bush was a bastard, but he was still the only shot and so is Romney now.

Sucks when we're deliberately pushed into a corner to choose one of the 2 candidates pre-selected for us, isn't it? In this case though..One IS worse than the other, even if it can't be said one is actually better.

reply to post by Blaine91555


I think I understand what you are saying. Our Constitution and our form of govt allow us checks and balances. That is how our Founding Fathers set it up so as to avoid too much of any one extreme, or any one part of govt having too much power. Hegelian dialectical reasoning was embraced by Marx and Engels who co-wrote the Communist Manifesto, and the system was imported from Germany and superimposed over our system of governance. In no way do I suggest we not have our checks and balances.

I do also agree with you that the radicalness of Obama and others around him woke a lot of people up. The Sleeping Giant awaketh. It sure woke up the Tea Party. I think it totally took the radicals by suprise and they came back with the whole terrorist in brooks bros clothing etc.

Uncle turned off the boob tube and I use whatever energy I have left after work to to catch up on t.v shows and talk to family. Then during the weekend maybe get plastered and try to arrange an Online game to play with some friends or family.

So I'm behind on the news and living in this work/weekend sort of cycle has made me quite jaded to politics. I'm sure I'll get interested again soon enough but last time I was listing in Obama stop those press conferences and became extremely worried about celebrity and entertainment. At most he would give comments to fuel the fire on racial just like the Zimmerman case and that one about the cop who was just checking in on the house that got reported broken into(remember that invented them over for a beer?).

Anyways no reason to get man about it just do your part and educate yourself on polities form an opinion vote on it and try to convince other why its a good idea. Then pray or hope whatever that things work out. Cause if theres something I've learned some things are just out of your control, getting mad doesn't do anything in less you plan on doing something constructive with that anger?

reply to post by neo96


That's funny...Obama and the democrats are losing the left. We're pretty angry with the whole party because it's become undeniably clear they don't represent those that elect them, only those funding their campaigns etc. Basically, a lot of us on the left are realizing that it isn't only the republicans that become spokesman for their financial backers. So where is the Right in their denouncing of the republican party? Where's their hand reaching across the aisle to restore sanity in our government?

Will it be enough to cause Obama to lose? Probably not, but that is because we fear Romney more so yes again it will come down to people choosing the lesser of two evils, for the left that will be Obama, for the right it will be Romney. It's probably too late for this election but over the next 5 years America will probably see a huge shift from the left from Democrat to Independent, that is if we don't abandon politics completely. Government must become about representing the people again, not their sponsors.

Originally posted by Walternate
It kills me when I see polls that say Obama still has 44% approval rate, who are these people? and why do they still support him?

Really,THESE are the type of people.........





Waiting patiently,for the "promises" to come to fruition.....

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
He [color=grey](Obama) is beloved
[color=gold]...

I would say "He [color=grey](Obama) is was beloved"

I know many Obama supporters are now voting Ron Paul
[color=gold]...

That's exactly right. Someone finally noticed.

Originally posted by swan001
reply to post by Blaine91555

 

Ah! I am glad we both agree.
I personally don't support Obama, no more than I support Romney. But I still keep in mind, they are just the face of the clock, they are not the clock mechanism.

That's a fantastic analogy.

I'll be stealing that.