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Analysts say new north korean missiles at parade are fake

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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Analysts say new north korean missiles at parade are fake


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TOKYO – A half dozen ominous new North Korean missiles showcased at a lavish military parade were clumsy fakes, analysts say, casting more doubt on the country's claims of military prowess after its recent rocket launch failure.

The weapons displayed April 15 appear to be a mishmash of liquid-fuel and solid-fuel components that could never fly together. Undulating casings on the missiles suggest the metal is too thin to withstand flight. Each missile was slightly different from the others, even though all were supposedly the same make. They don't even fit the launchers they were carr
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:40 AM
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Geez these folks really are nuts. I guess most on here will say of course they are fakes and that NK didnt want to put "actual" missles on display. Personally i think its all hype. I mean didnt they say on Monday they were about to destroy SK and it was immenent? Im still waiting........more diarrhea of the mouth from Kimmie!!

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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:45 AM
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Card board missiles from a Card Board threat of a country.

NK is not a threat to anyone, if they attack the South they lose out on all that aid, if anything its a baby crying for more food aid.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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The interesting part of the story is that analysts say the huge chassis of the carriers appear to be Chinese, which would be a violation of proliferation treaties.
If true the N Korean new leader just made a mistake and gave leverage to the Free World, you know....the good guys.... to use against them with China.
The display of paper mache might has exposed the young leaders' inabillity to think things through.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by benrl
NK is not a threat to anyone, if they attack the South they lose out on all that aid, if anything its a baby crying for more food aid.


I hope you are right. I can't help but recall, the CIA told the President the same thing in 1950, too. North Korea was no threat and had no intentions of expanding or threatening their neighbors despite words to the contrary. Nothing to see here... move along...

A few weeks later, Americans were loading onto transports to fight yet another war half way around the world. Err...

Boy wonder doesn't strike me as any more logical, intelligent or forward thinking than his predecessor was when it started in the 50's. We can only hope this one IS just a little smarter...we can hope anyway.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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If they actually attack the death toll would initially be extreme.They would then shortly be consumed.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:58 AM
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Yes but that was before years of malnutrition shrunk their entire population, the AVG NK is shorter than an SK simply because of the lack of food...

Yea they'll be able to do something, the only thing thats concerning is their tunnel system that supposedly leads well past SK boarder, so what they'll either send spies or a foot invasion.

Just look for the shorter people who seem lost if they send spies who have no understanding how the world outside of NK works.


Absolute worst case scenario coming out of them is them giving a nuke to someone crazy enough to use it, it would be the height of insanity for any country with infrastructure for us to bomb to use a nuke to start a war.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:07 PM
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It's actually pretty common to use fake missiles in parades. The Soviets did it almost every single time they did a parade.

This is mostly due to a precaution measure than anything else, for various reasons. One might be the fear of an attack on said parade, which having your own missiles over there would make them an easy target. Something like having all your eggs in the same basket.

Another reason is the fact that you can't take all your missiles from their positions, transport them to the parade, just for show-off purposes.

If a nation would do a military parade with all their gear, or at least, their best weapons, what would be left to defend the territory? Or what would be left to do a retaliatory attack on the attacker? None. All your missiles and weapons would be at the parade, and not in their designated positions.

It's like people assuming that the russians were taking their nukes off the silos in the 60's and 70's, just to do a parade.

Another side of the issue is the fact that North Korea doesn't actually have a full system of nuclear capability. They do have nukes, but they are also still developing them, so it would be a bit hard for them to display the "finished product", even if they really wanted to.

The second part of that side comes from the fact that the world community pointed fingers at North Korea for doing the rocket test, which they claim was a disguised missile test for their nuclear warheads.

Now, wouldn't it be a safe assumption to state that these were fake missiles since North Korea doesn't really have any. much less functional? Aren't they supposed to be still on the development stage in regard to the missile capability?

Just saying, because it's a bit futile to post threads and news like these, without actually making a connection with reality.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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The interesting part of the story is that analysts say the huge chassis of the carriers appear to be Chinese, which would be a violation of proliferation treaties.


North Korea isn't part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, so they aren't violating anything.

However, there are a bunch of sanctions imposed by the U.N. to North Korea, and in those there is a clear statement about the trade of military warfare with them. Such trades are prohibited.


If true the N Korean new leader just made a mistake and gave leverage to the Free World, you know....the good guys.... to use against them with China.


It's a bit more complex than that.

It's true that they made a mistake by showing off a prohibited item, which could give reason to the U.S., South Korea and the U.N. bunch.

But we also have to keep in mind who sold the items to them. It was China, which is "just" China. Nobody wants to poke them right now, especially with matters that have words like "war" in them.

Especially when China makes a clear statement about being proud of the relationship it has with North Korea, and the company that sold the chassis for the missile truck actually praising the business and claiming it wants more.

However, as much as this leaves a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of western leaders, they can't really point fingers at China. A lot of western countries have sold and kept illegal trade businesses in the past. Cases like Iran-Contra comes to mind.


The display of paper mache might has exposed the young leaders' inabillity to think things through.


Like I said in my previous post, it's very rare for any military power to show off their real assets. Usually they use replicas in the parades.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:32 PM
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Yes but that was before years of malnutrition shrunk their entire population, the AVG NK is shorter than an SK simply because of the lack of food...


Which isn't a problem for the military. One of the reasons for the U.S. turning down the food aid was due to the speed at which the food was delivered to the military, and not to the people.

And the starvation part seems obvious to us, but it isn't. You see, while we think that starvation will lead to a revolution and people wanting a better life, we also have to assume the worst.

And the worst goes around the propaganda machine within North Korea. It's all good when people know a better life, but they don't. They are closed to a whole bunch of realities that we have. And starvation could be played against us, not against the regime.

It's as easy to assume that the people will rebel against the regime because they are starving, as it is to assume that people will be even more fanatic when fighting for the regime, simply because they think they are starving due to the western politics, that are suffocating the country and making them suffer.

Something like what happens often in the Middle East, where a lot of people turn on american soldiers because they are filled with hate because of "misplaced" bombs and other military operations.

We shouldn't assume that these people will see us as heroes.


Yea they'll be able to do something, the only thing thats concerning is their tunnel system that supposedly leads well past SK boarder, so what they'll either send spies or a foot invasion.

Just look for the shorter people who seem lost if they send spies who have no understanding how the world outside of NK works.


You are assuming that their spies are just there to infiltrate. They could be there just to observe. If such a tunnel system does exist, and if South Korea is unable to detect it's extent, then it's much more dangerous than that.

North Korea doesn't have the surveillance capability that western powers have. But they can overturn that by simply putting observers in certain locations.

A spy doesn't need to fit in if he is just there to take photos of military positions, and military numbers. They could even have communication lines with North Korea, and a real-time communication about where and how many troops are placed inside South Korea.

This isn't new. Japan used a lot of this type of intel to prepare for Pearl Harbor.


Absolute worst case scenario coming out of them is them giving a nuke to someone crazy enough to use it, it would be the height of insanity for any country with infrastructure for us to bomb to use a nuke to start a war.


That's too risky. Not for North Korea, they don't have anything to lose by selling anything. But it is a problem to whoever tries to purchase them.

First because you have to negotiate with them, and I assume it's nearly impossible to have contacts with North Korea without being recorded by some intelligence agency.

And second, it's not that easy to hide a nuke. And it's especially hard to move that sort of thing in that area. Inside North Korea, sure. But as soon as you step out of their territory, you are bound to have 1000 eyes on you.

To me, the worst case scenario would be the launch of a nuke in sea. The U.S. Navy already did several tests about the naval destruction capabilities that a nuke has, and it wasn't pretty.

If a single torpedo can bring down the biggest ship, just by the way it explodes under the ship, not requiring any contact, shows you how powerful a nuke would be in the same circumstances.

If the U.S. makes the mistake of having too many ships, too close to each-other, and too close to North Korea, a well placed nuke could make a huge statement about how wrong we are when judging North Korea power.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:04 PM
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I love how fox news is credible as long as it does not conflict with the readers worldview.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by Tifozi
reply to post by TinfoilTP
 



The interesting part of the story is that analysts say the huge chassis of the carriers appear to be Chinese, which would be a violation of proliferation treaties.


North Korea isn't part of the Non-Proliferation Treaty, so they aren't violating anything.

However, there are a bunch of sanctions imposed by the U.N. to North Korea, and in those there is a clear statement about the trade of military warfare with them. Such trades are prohibited.


If true the N Korean new leader just made a mistake and gave leverage to the Free World, you know....the good guys.... to use against them with China.


It's a bit more complex than that.

It's true that they made a mistake by showing off a prohibited item, which could give reason to the U.S., South Korea and the U.N. bunch.

But we also have to keep in mind who sold the items to them. It was China, which is "just" China. Nobody wants to poke them right now, especially with matters that have words like "war" in them.

Especially when China makes a clear statement about being proud of the relationship it has with North Korea, and the company that sold the chassis for the missile truck actually praising the business and claiming it wants more.

However, as much as this leaves a bad taste in the mouth of a lot of western leaders, they can't really point fingers at China. A lot of western countries have sold and kept illegal trade businesses in the past. Cases like Iran-Contra comes to mind.


The display of paper mache might has exposed the young leaders' inabillity to think things through.


Like I said in my previous post, it's very rare for any military power to show off their real assets. Usually they use replicas in the parades.


China is, and they appear to be in violation now. The young dictator ratted them out by showing the chassis.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 02:34 PM
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None of what you posted is true concerning vulnerable warships.
A nuke would have to land literally right on the deck of a carrier to sink it, anything less and it still floats.
Torpedoes wont sink it and the other ships are only there to protect the carrier, it they take damage it is by design.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 04:03 PM
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What if they just used fakes to show the people and in case they were targeted?
I mean why would they need to show the public what they really have? Not saying they do have them, but each of those faux missiles could be there as a representation of a real one somewhere else.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 04:23 PM
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Analysts say new north korean missiles at parade are fake


Real or Fake
It does not really matter
They test fired one of these fireworks recently it managed two minites flight then crashed into the sea and may have killed a fish

Cran



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 04:36 PM
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Man these North Korean leaders are too entertaining.


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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 05:44 PM
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Maybe the missiles aren't fake; maybe that's just how they build them, which would explain their lousy test record so far. Rest assured, Kim Jong-un will have those engineers who dared to follow his exact specifications for the missile he designed executed.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by TinfoilTP
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None of what you posted is true concerning vulnerable warships.
A nuke would have to land literally right on the deck of a carrier to sink it, anything less and it still floats.
Torpedoes wont sink it and the other ships are only there to protect the carrier, it they take damage it is by design.



You really are brainwashed if you believe a carrier can withstand a nuclear strike

A carrier is already extremely vulnerable to conventional torpedoes or anti ship missiles, a nuclear strike would obliterate it


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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 09:16 PM
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What makes you think that the North Koreans depend on food aid from the U.S when China and Russia are literally next door with plenty of food ?

We have no real Idea why the U.S is giving food to north Korea, they could certainly get it much closer to home without any trouble.
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posted on Apr, 27 2012 @ 08:49 AM
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Originally posted by QQXXw

Originally posted by TinfoilTP
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None of what you posted is true concerning vulnerable warships.
A nuke would have to land literally right on the deck of a carrier to sink it, anything less and it still floats.
Torpedoes wont sink it and the other ships are only there to protect the carrier, it they take damage it is by design.



You really are brainwashed if you believe a carrier can withstand a nuclear strike

A carrier is already extremely vulnerable to conventional torpedoes or anti ship missiles, a nuclear strike would obliterate it


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I said sinking the carrier, and yes it will not sink unless a nuke is detonated on its deck. NK can't hit the broad side of a continent with a missile, it has zero chance of hitting a single ship in a massive ocean.

You are naive if you think anything that launches a torpedo would survive getting in range of a carrier.




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