Senior U.S. General Orders Top-to-Bottom Review of Military’s Islam Training

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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:10 AM
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Is this a move to fight bigotry and ignorance?
Or is it just political correctness and people have their heads stuck in the sand?

Senior U.S. General Orders Top-to-Bottom Review of Military’s Islam Training


The chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Tuesday ordered the entire U.S. military to scour its training material to ensure it doesn’t contain anti-Islamic content, Danger Room has learned. The order came after the Pentagon suspended a course for senior officers that was found to contain derogatory material about Islam.

The extraordinary order by General Martin Dempsey, the highest-ranking military officer in the U.S. armed forces, was prompted by content in a course titled “Perspectives on Islam and Islamic Radicalism” that was presented as an elective at the Joint Forces Staff College in Norfolk, Virginia. The course instructed captains, commanders, lieutenant colonels and colonels from across all four armed services that “Islam had already declared war on the West,” said Lt. Gen. George Flynn, Dempsey’s deputy for training and education.

“It was inflammatory,” Flynn told Danger Room on Tuesday. “We said, ‘Wait a second, that’s really not what we’re talking about.’ That is not how we view this problem or the challenges we have in the world today.”


One of the courses was titled 'Islamic Law is a Danger to National Security'.

The new courses are being described like this -

He described the class as including “the basic tenets of Islam; the context in which it was founded; the life of the Prophet Mohammed; Islam’s early development; the practice of Islam in various countries; the foundations and principles of terrorism; the roots of Islamic militancy, and a broad overview of various Islamic radical groups and their philosophies.


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Well ... does this need to be cleaned up .... or is the FBI correct?
Does the military training have to be cleansed of ignorance, or is it a victim of political correctness?
What do you say ATS?




posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Interesting story.

IMO the FBI should focus on those groups in the US {Be it Muslim, Christianity or any other religious group} which openly preach against and oppose the basic tenets of the US Constitution/Bill of rights etc. As far as the military is concerned. They see everything as a "possible threat" {Nothing new there, that's their job} Toning down the stereotyping and rhetoric verbiage would be a good thing and again focusing on those aspects of said beliefs that threaten the basic tenets of the US Constitution/Bill of rights.


I see Campaign slogans in the future me thinks...



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:23 AM
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Well, after an Islamic soldier decided to make a shooting gallery of Ft Hood while shouting his praises to Allah, I would certainly have applauded this top-to-bottom review just a little SOONER. Something tells me that under these leaders, this isn't THAT kind of review though.



BY the way... How would it have looked if we had Japanese sensitivity training or German heritage classes during World War II? Yeah.. this makes that much sense to me. Yikes... What next? Can we at least keep calling the ones SHOOTING at us, enemies?? Or...is that no longer politically correct, either?
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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As long ago as 1999 the Chairman of the Islamic Supreme Council of America and the Sufi Muslim Council testified to the State Department that Islamic supremacists control 80% of US mosques.


“The most dangerous thing that is going on now in these mosques,” Kabbani said, “that has been sent upon these mosques around the United States—like churches they were established by different organizations and that is okay—but the problem with our communities is the extremist ideology.

Because they are very active, they took over the mosques, and we can say that they took over more than 80% of the mosques that have been established in the U.S.

Human Events
Huffington Post


Almost all of the finance for new Mosques in the USA comes from the Salafi/Wahhabi Saudi school of Islam. Almost all Islamic terrorists come from Salafi/Wahhabi Islam.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Well, after an Islamic soldier decided to make a shooting gallery of Ft Hood while shouting his praises to Allah, I would certainly has applauded this top-to-bottom review just a little SOONER. Something tells me that under these leaders, this isn't THAT kind of review though.


I don't think the review is going in that kind of direction. It looks to be more of a softening up of the view of Islam - saying that Islam is okay and doesn't promote radicals. At least, that is what I am getting out of reading it. I could be wrong (but I dont think so).



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:34 AM
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Muhammad himself spread Islam by the sword and encouraged his followers to also do so, so it is no great surprise if some Muslims seek to do the same.


Allah's Apostle said:

"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle."

Source: Islamic Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

Sahih Bukhari (Arabic: صحيح البخاري‎), is one of the six canonical hadith collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah) of Sunni Islam who make up about 85% of Muslims worldwide.


"I was ordered to fight all men until they say 'There is no god but Allah."

Prophet Muhammad's farewell address, March 632

Source: Arab military historian, Muhammad ibn Umar al-Waqidi (747-823)


The Hadith also make it clear that Muhammad was of the opinion that fighting jihad was, after believing in Allah, the second best thing a Muslim could do.


Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?"

He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).

The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?

He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Source: Islamic Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25




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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:38 AM
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I'm taking it in context to the last couple years worth of stories saying we can't call the enemy, the enemy. This just strikes me as the latest version and variation of it. Although there is a long cry from the FBI training sessions being modified last year to remove negative reference to American Muslims and the MILITARY being told the enemy isn't REALLY the enemy and those who sympathize to the point of allowing it to continue happening really aren't a problem.

When it's reached the military, I can only hope the enemy has mercy on us....because we're losing our ability and will to defend ourselves in a war I don't believe they'll care to see end quite as easily as we do. They might even feel there is some unfinished business as we wave and ride off into the sunset of the western horizon.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
When it's reached the military, I can only hope the enemy has mercy on us....

It's not in the nature of an 'enemy' to have mercy on the weak or the stupid.
It's more in the nature of an 'enemy' to take full advantage of people who leave themselves open.
If an 'enemy' does destroy us, we will deserve it if we became weak and stupid.
The USA will be handed the Darwin Award ....



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 11:52 AM
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I'm not really sure if I think America is due an internal Islamic insurrection, but in the event it does happen, I think it would be a fair historical assessment to determine that America really rolled out the red carpet and made them feel welcomed in the friendliest way they could.

Meh, maybe one day they'll just feel really bad about being so mean to a land which welcomed them. That should keep us warm. Or maybe the flames of an eternally burning infidel hell will do that. Either way, warm is good.

Who's coming up with this skat? Emily Post?



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
BY the way... How would it have looked if we had Japanese sensitivity training or German heritage classes during World War II? Yeah.. this makes that much sense to me.


Nope, we just locked up Japanese Americans in interment camps even though many were willing to fight for their new country.

“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
When it's reached the military, I can only hope the enemy has mercy on us....

It's not in the nature of an 'enemy' to have mercy on the weak or the stupid.
It's more in the nature of an 'enemy' to take full advantage of people who leave themselves open.
If an 'enemy' does destroy us, we will deserve it if we became weak and stupid.
The USA will be handed the Darwin Award ....


As much as every part of me wants to argue that, I just can't. You're 100% right on with what you're saying here and there isn't much at all we can do about it as citizens. Maybe after the war has come, gone and we're left rebuilding the future in a few years, we can insure this doesn't happen AGAIN. I don't see a way to stop it now though...It's too far advanced and the rot is too deep in our nation now.


@ Slayer69

Granted... FDR did some interesting things and it's been pretty well found as unconstitutional since as it was then. Wilson went so much further if we want to get into tyrants in the Oval though. I don't think the actions of the past relate to the present though because there is NO way in modern America we'd see internment camps or anything like it. Oh, Uncle is fully capable of it, I have no doubt. The people are different though. Radically different. What was tolerated and accepted as necessary in 1941 would bring guerrilla war style raids and hit/run attacks on the camps in today's world, in my opinion.

I don't want to see Muslims or Islam demonized, but making them look like 100% saints is outright dangerous too. What happened to the concept of presenting the facts as we find them..Good AND Bad...without politics defining those two terms and what can be known in either category? It's the fact reforms are coming by POLITICAL Decree I find disgusting and contrary to everything logical....not reform which may come as facts actually change to support it.
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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:14 PM
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Having known some people in the military..(Family included)

It's a good move. I'll just leave it there.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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I was in the Army for five years ... back in the 1980s. This wasn't a problem then. Or at least, it didn't seem to be. I worked in the Chaplains office. We had Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Athiests, and even Wiccans, etc etc. I don't remember having to have any kind of sensitivity training in regards to the different religions and/or their possible radical groups.

And yes, that was back when the Iran hostage thing had taken place and when we bombed Libya. So we were having issues with so-called 'muslim countries' back then. But I dont remember any special training or any special issues ...



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:23 PM
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Islam is the religion of dominance.

They don't suffer "competitors" lightly.

Through political correctness, they (Islam) will encroach onto our laws, our society, our daily lives. Now most people who follow Islam would probably be happy to live side-by-side with those who do not follow their faith. But many of their leaders/imams are more fundamental in their beliefs.

We're losing the war. By inches at a time. By PC rule by PC rule.

Just my wee humble opinion of course.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:38 PM
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I don't remember having to have any kind of sensitivity training in regards to the different religions and/or their possible radical groups.


Yes but that was before the largest terrorist attack on U.S soil by muslims (if you believe that or not), the invasion of two muslim countries by the U.S, and before scores of atrocities committed against the populations of those countries by U.S troops, which no doubt made them resent the United States.

Also you were in the chaplain's office so I'm presuming you wern't facing a potential hostile or combat situation against muslims or stationed amongst a majority muslim population.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 12:42 PM
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All true. I can't argue with that at all. It's just very different from when I was in.
We had some scrums with muslim groups/nations back then.
Libya .. the barracks ... Iran hostages ... But I things have really heated up more.
Anyways .. point being ... back in the 1980s we didn't have this going on.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Can we at least keep calling the ones SHOOTING at us, enemies??
Yes, but only those that really do the shooting, not the ones that only share some (not shooting related) characteristics with those doing the shooting.



posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 08:04 PM
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Political correctness is bigotry instead of promoting that we all equal it promotes our dissimilarities.

Best example of what i mean is hal moore from when we were soldiers his speech when they were assembled and leaving for Vietnam.

That is what they need to be training.

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posted on Apr, 26 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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Originally posted by ArMaP

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
Can we at least keep calling the ones SHOOTING at us, enemies??
Yes, but only those that really do the shooting, not the ones that only share some (not shooting related) characteristics with those doing the shooting.

Fair enough there and I do agree. My greatest fear next to my own families safety is the thought that if things fall apart here, the majority getting hurt WILL be decent Americans who just happened to be Muslim. The real enemy won't be around to so easily find and do something about....just the innocents.


@ Neo

I think that was one of the better movie speeches I've ever watched. Mel Gibson's Braveheart speech while on the battlefield is a close second.



posted on Apr, 30 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by ollncasino
reply to post by FlyersFan
 


Muhammad himself spread Islam by the sword and encouraged his followers to also do so, so it is no great surprise if some Muslims seek to do the same.


Allah's Apostle said:

"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle."

Source: Islamic Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 24

Sahih Bukhari (Arabic: صحيح البخاري‎), is one of the six canonical hadith collections (Al-Kutub Al-Sittah) of Sunni Islam who make up about 85% of Muslims worldwide.


"I was ordered to fight all men until they say 'There is no god but Allah."

Prophet Muhammad's farewell address, March 632

Source: Arab military historian, Muhammad ibn Umar al-Waqidi (747-823)


The Hadith also make it clear that Muhammad was of the opinion that fighting jihad was, after believing in Allah, the second best thing a Muslim could do.


Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?"

He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad).

The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?

He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause."

Source: Islamic Hadith Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 2, number 25




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Sometimes people often take this hadith and run with it to validate their petty arguments.



"I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle."


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“It refers to fighting those who are waging war, whom Allah has permitted us to fight. It does not refer to those who have a covenant with us with whom Allah commands us to fulfill our covenant.”

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Did islam spread by sword?




Who cares , islam will win at the end





Did islam forced Actor Liam Neeson to convert ?


'It really makes me think about becoming a Muslim'


Have a nice day





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